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Gavin

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To understand the Secrets of the the contents of the urns/ampules we first have to separate them into their component parts... [Edited 02-12-2012] [u]The Seed[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusE_screencap7.jpg[/img] A genetically engineered substance created by the Engineers, it is stored within the vials found within the urns/ampules. This thick, viscous black liquid which was consumed by the Sacrificial Engineer (the Seeding) and unwittingly by Holloway, has three underlining properties: 1. When ingested by an organism (Sacrficial Engineer/Hollway) the "Seed" combines with the cells of the organism, causing the host organism to break down at a cellular level - every cell of their body becoming a viral genetic mutagen, capable of being consumed by other organisms. 2. This viral genetic mutagen, when ingested by other organisms, adds/replaces genes of that organism with those of the host whom consumed the "Seed", imprinting the hosts DNA/Genome onto an indigenous ecosystem. This viral genetic mutagen also acts as an evolutionary accelerant, exponentially mutating organisms with the genetic template/traits from the host (LV-223 worms). 3. The evolutionary accelerant aspect of the mutagen also has the side effect of revitalizing dead/dying cells, seeming resulting in re-animation (Shaws womb/Fifield). [u]The Black Liquid[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap47.jpg[/img] The black slimy liquid stored within the urns/ampules is NOT the same substance that was stored within the vials, and contrary to my original theoryis NOT the genetic material of the Xenomorph. This substance is an inert transmission medium, that when combined with the Seed creates an oil like substance, making weaponized transmission of the Seed more effective. [u]The Urns/Ampules[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusK_screencap31.jpg[/img] The urns/ampules are medium for storing and deploying both the "Seed" and the transmission medium. When triggered/smashed the "Seed" (see above) and the transmission medium mix, creating an oil like substance, that is more viscous than the Seed, and a more effective means of transmission. [u]The Xenomorph[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap49.jpg[/img] As shown by this mural, the xenomorph is of some importance to the Engineers. Lets look at their known history regards the Xenomorph... - Thousands of years ago, an Engineer craft carrying a cargo of Xenomorph was forced to land on the moon/planetoid LV-426 when its lone pilot unwillingly became host to one of its cargo. It may be that this craft had previosly visited LV-223 and acquired a payload of the urns before deploying them onto a distant planet. Then after acquiring the eggs that would have remained after the infestation befell its fate upon its return either to LV-223 or the Engineers home world/system. - 2000 years ago, a team of Engineers stationed on LV-223 prepared to deploy a cargo of urns/ampules to Earth, when one of them inadvertantly unleashed the contents quarantining the base. As seen in the movie, the urns are the viral deployment method used to instigate a Xenomorph infestation. The urns were designed to ensure safe transport and efficient deployment of the Xenomorph. [u]The Dark Truth - Completely Rethought[/u] Taking what we have learnt about the urns/ampules, their contents and the Engineers established history with the xenomorph, and combining that with what we have seen in the Prometheus and Alien movies, leads us towards a dark, disturbing truth... [b]Phase 1 - The Seeding[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/sacrificial_engineer_prometheus2.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers visit primordial planets supporting basic, simple life, whereupon a lone "Sacrificial Engineer" ingests the "Seed", sacrificed his life and seeding the planet with the seed and his DNA, resulting in an ecosystem entirely dominated by the Xenomorph (This is what we see at the start of the film).[/b] [b]Phase 2 - The Rebirth[/b] [b]An ecosystem dominated by the Xenomorph results in the exhausting of viable hosts. To combat this the Xenomorph at a genetic level introduced Y chromosome into its genome, giving rise to infertile males (smooth carapaced warriors), and then fertile males (Kings).[/b] [b]Upon consummating with Kings, Queens become capable of producing a second type of egg, incubating a sub-species of hosts, pale skinned humanoids - Engineers.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - The Harvest[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/david_earth.jpg[/img] [b]Systematically a percentage of these Engineers are drafted into Engineer society. Seeking a more efficient means of reproducing the Engineers weaponize the Seed, for deployment upon worlds inhabited by Engineer children, sired before the weaponization of the Seed (the method of this siring not yet seen).[/b] [b]The Xenomorph DNA, hidden with "human DNA" asserts itself and spreads across the sired planets, resulting in a Xenomorph dominated ecosystem. Once all viable hosts are exhausted, the King Xenomorph is sired and Engineers are born.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - Collection[/b] [img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/AlienInfestedWorld.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers collect a percentage of Xenomorph (eggs) before transporting them to a location whereby they can be used to produce more Seed (also as yet unseen).[/b] [u]Why Create Only To Destroy[/u] [b]Here's a summary of what we know so far...[/b] [b][/b] [b]- A Sacrificial Engineer sacrifices his life, seeding life upon a primordial world, using his own genetic material. To date we the fans have assumed this action, through natural selection and engineering, resulted in billions of clones/children of the Engineer to evolve, in his image - us.[/b] [b]But The consumption of the Seed by Holloway results in the creation of a Xenomorph in the form of the Deacon, therefore we must assume our initial belief to be false - meaning that the Sacrificial Engineer was not siring a planet of life that would evolve into human form, but instead cultivating a world that would be dominated by the Xenomorph.[/b] [b]- The Urns show that the urns are a means to deploy the Xenomorph amongst human races also sired by Engineers, as shown by the DNA match in the movie.[/b] [b]- The Xenomorph extrapolates genetic material from its hosts, propagating its own kind.[/b] [b]- Once all hosts are exhausted, the Xenomorphs would need a means to continue their existence, otherwise they would die, and only their eggs would remain.[/b] [b]- The Engineers return to gather the eggs.[/b] [b][/b] [b]WHY? Why would the Engineers seed a planet to create millions/billions of clones/children in their image and using their own DNA only to later wipe them out using the Xenomorph? Well I believe I may have the answer...[/b] [b][/b] [b]The Xenomorph, as we know it, is capable of eradicating an entire ecosystem of its indigenous population by using said life forms as hosts to propagate its own species. When gestating inside a host, Xenomorph embryos extrapolate genetic material and traits from their host, to add to their own genome and to adapt to the environment and ecosystem which they have been deployed into. It is this trait of the Xenomorph I believe that holds the key...[/b] [u]Genetic Material[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusO_screencap14.jpg[/img] [b]We, the human race have evolved from and continue to evolve from the Engineers genetic material. Our genetic material, our genome is almost identical to that of the Engineers. This same genetic material is extrapolated by the Xenomorph, a deadly genetic and bio-mechanical creation held in some regard by the Engineers, themselves expertics in genetic and bio-mechanical engineering.[/b] [b][/b] [b][i]To the Engineers the human race are "Maize". Once we have grown to required amount in number and in the required way, we are harvested, and the Xenomorph is the "Harvester".[/i][/b] [b][/b] [b]Our genes/DNA/Genome/genetic material is the "Maize", that is what the Engineers want/need, and the Xenomorph is the means by which to harvest our genetic material. But why?[/b]

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Gavin
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I admire your persistence... The Engineers on LV-223 created the new, viral version of the Xenomorph after what happened to the pilot on LV-426. There intention after creating the Xenomorph MKII was to deploy it on earth to harvest us for our genetic material because we were high enough in number, suitable evolved and relatively defenseless. But the one of the Engineers inadvertantly unleashed the Xenomorph MKII on LV-223, causing the base to be quarantined... So we have two possibilities... Meanwhile Engineers responsible for leaving invitations, having not received word that the plan had changed (genetic material was to be taken not requested) arrived on earth and pointed the people of Hawaii to LV-223, unaware it was now a base... or... The message was handed down through the generations and it wasn't until 600ad that someone thought to write it on a wall...

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@ snorkel re: the long list of coincidences. i think all of these coincidences have explanations that can be found in the threads that talk about plot holes. btw, an off topic question - about your status as "staff." i'm curious - are you guys just a bunch of enthusiasts, or are you are backed by a company? do you guys get ad revenues for this website? it seems like other staff member have their own theories about prometheus...
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Nah, way too many coincidences IMO, from what I've read most of these so called "plot holes" can be explained with a simple dose of logic, deduction and common sense... people see what they wanna see... Many expected Prometheus to answer all their lingering questions regards 1979's Alien, and/or expected it to be a prequel... it isn't. It's set in the same universe, before Alien but introduces us to the Engineers. That is all. Regards the staff question, me and the other guys/gals of the staff are members that have been upgraded to moderators and site contributors through our devotion to the site, its community of members and the discussions. Yes we each have our own theories and ideas. Regards backing and ad revenues you'd have to ask Chris (admin), but no we don't get paid, we do this because of our love for this site and its community.

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@ snorkel my guess was that your explanation to the 600 ad visitation problem would also work for the good/bad engineer theory, and i think i was right. the second possibility that you mentioned (message handed down through generations) is consistent with the good/bad engineer theory. (and re: persistence - this is my 16th post across all threads. you, on the other hand, have more than 2000. hands down you are way more persistent than me.)
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Ok I'm sure none of us has the correct answers to all the questions. There are some great ideas here. However if you can't see that they wanted the Xenomorph in the Alien series as a weapon..you may as well throw all common sense out the door. Weapons are designed and built with an intended purpose. Handle,sights,barrel,trigger,a place for bullets...etc. Xenomorphs fit this exactly. I guess they just spent billions on a secluded space base and cloned Ripley/Alien, grew them and killed people just to advance medical science,to cure cancer.
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Persistence, LOL... I've been here a LONG time bud. You right both points could support your idea of two factions, but I don't see them being at war with one another... A species beset on destroying itself will inevitably destroy itself. The Engineers being around for billions of years suggests otherwise

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@ snorkel - one last question. you say "Weyland technology almost mirrors that of the Engineers, in purpose at least." what do you mean? please explain. i felt the engineer's technology was very alien (e.g., the black goo, the spongy big buttons that you need to press to turn things on, the green lighting/arcs that come out of the buttons when activated, etc.).
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@ airacuda... Alien - they (W-Y) wanted it, didn't say why Aliens - Burke suggested it would be worth millions to the bio-weapons division, but did not state explicitly that was why he wanted it, he just wanted to make some money of 'em. Alien 3 - only mention was in Assembly Cut, taken from what Burke had said in Aliens. Also Bishop II stated it was important, but didn't state why. Alien Rez - they mentioned Alloys, medical cures and urban pacification, never weapon. As a weapon it would be effective, but it's too obvious.

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@ spektacooler... Atmosphere processors Terraforming FTL Travel David Hypersleep All developed by Weyland Corporation from 2023-2093, that's a lot of damn advanced new tech for one company in 70 years.

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@ snorkel ah, i see the similarity now. you have to consider the info from the website, not just the movie. yes, that does seem a lot of advanced tech. in the space of 70 years. but then again, it seems weird that weyland knew all this stuff about the engineers but didn't know that humans were like "maize" in the grand scheme of things, and that going to an engineer and asking for eternal life would be certain death. may be we're just over analyzing this thing. i guess, regardless of how many good writers you hire, and how much money you throw at it, the plot will never be completely airtight.
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I suspect he was blind or just ignorant, call it reckless. He wanted more and was prepared to risk anything to get what he wanted, probably had the delusion he could control the uncontrollable, a theme echoed in the Alien franchise.

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Any chance we could take a trip the engineers planet you can be David and I can be Shaw tell me what you "think2 when we land?
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Great theory and presentation Snorks. Delighted to read it. And it makes all the sense.
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
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OP has been updated for the reasons of clarification and presentation.

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evolution via technology / biomechanics seems the state where something changed for the engineers; i could imagine the xenomorophs being some sort of "ideal" lifeform / perfect evolution for the engineers at first (the offspring of the highly evolved hybrid-lifeform), only to find out later, that it became pretty much the opposite - the ending of life as we know it; or in other words: the peak of evolution paradoxically leading to the end of both evolution and life; this is why the early engineers try to spend life, the later (being higher developed than the early ones) probably try to extinct mankind (maybe they fear that mankind is going to repeat or even top the faults the engineers did?); besides the obvious bio-mech elements in the later engineer, you can see the evolution of the engineers at their spaceships - the first being much closer to our "mechanical" flying saucer, the later looking more organic, probably bio-mechanic; maybe this could also - i'm really speculative today ;) - lead to the spaceship from alien one - where the xenomorph eggs become the last chance / hope to extinct mankind before they evolve to far; but that's just a guess, but on the other hand i would wonder when scott & co prepare a different planet in "prometheus" where they could easily show us the planet from "alien" and not giving us an explanation for what happened on the other planet/space ship later on... -> so while the engineers tried to give life and created something like the xenomorphs, humanity tries to use the xenomorphs as weapons from the beginning of the series, so you wouldn't want to imagine what they would make out of such power in comparison to what the relatively "friendly" engineers already did; so the engineers could be right with that fear; ok. but enough for now. ">also i can see, that scott seems to try to make a shift in the whole alien-mythology: while the alien-movies were focusing pretty much on the female aspects of motherhood and giving birth, the male counterpart seems to get more into sight and focus within the prometheus-"series"; thus the facehuggers pretty much being the male counterpart to the mother aliens, queens and stuff (they were in the earlier movies, but they have more room and story now) - also the engineer in the beginning showing some sort of a "masculine" way of giving life / birth; the engineers beeing clearly marked as super-manly (extremly muscular and so on... - especially considering the strong focus on the female aspects in the earlier movies); i think the difference between the early engineers (beginning) and the later is a big clue too: thus, the early engineers not knowing where their naive ideal of "simply giving life ("evolution")" to earth could lead when a civilization reaching a certain state of evolution -> evolution via technology / biomechanics seems the state where something changed for the engineers; i could imagine the xenomorophs being some sort of "ideal" lifeform / perfect evolution for the engineers at first (the offspring of the highly evolved hybrid-lifeform), only to find out later, that it became pretty much the opposite - the ending of life as we know it; or in other words: the peak of evolution paradoxically leading to the end of both evolution and life; this is why the early engineers try to spend life, the later (being higher developed than the early ones) probably try to extinct mankind (maybe they fear that mankind is going to repeat or even top the faults the engineers did?); besides the obvious bio-mech elements in the later engineer, you can see the evolution of the engineers at their spaceships - the first being much closer to our "mechanical" flying saucer, the later looking more organic, probably bio-mechanic; maybe this could also - i'm really speculative today ;) - lead to the spaceship from alien one - where the xenomorph eggs become the last chance / hope to extinct mankind before they evolve to far; but that's just a guess, but on the other hand i would wonder when scott & co prepare a different planet in "prometheus" where they could easily show us the planet from "alien" and not giving us an explanation for what happened on the other planet/space ship later on... -> so while the engineers tried to give life and created something like the xenomorphs, humanity tries to use the xenomorphs as weapons from the beginning of the series, so you wouldn't want to imagine what they would make out of such power in comparison to what the relatively "friendly" engineers already did; so the engineers could be right with that fear; ok. but enough for now. [edit] sorry, me english sucks sometimes - especially when i'm in a hurry... i hope you still understand what i try to say ;)
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prometheus theory: i've seen the film now; i'm in a hurry but i'll give you some thoughts that i had, even though i have to do it in short words; so it's rather some spotlights than a single, completely coherent story; -squid: mutated sperm, xenomorph from that looks different from alien I-IV and wall-scultpures - i think the point here is not that it's "breeded" within a bio-mechanic engineer, but it's descendant from human sperm and not bio-meachinical (the later ones) engineer-sperm; (bio-mech engineers' sperm -> bio-mech xenomorphs --> really deadly ones); maybe this (sorry… i have to say it again:) "sperm"-theory could also be the reason why we only see male engineers…? -> almost like monks, no (surpressed) libido: no xenomorphs, no death, but: evolution - in the sense of engineers fusioning with technology into what we call bio-mechanical lifeform; the price they have to pay is: having to skip all the sexy times… maybe even their superior evidence (titan, god-like) compared to ours could have something to do with the black goo and it's meaning for evolution of lifeforms; also a big clue for the sp*rm-theory is the pretty obvious statement of her not being able to give birth to a child - so that pretty much wants to tell us: what's growing within her is NOT a real baby or pregnancy (without having done research in pregnancy-issues, i guess she has no egg-cells or something, otherwise she could have her own babies); so: it has to be the male part (sperm) solely; so: black goo is promethean "fire" -> life (evolution) & death in one thing (also prometheus is the one that's giving technology to mankind, which is also important to the movie and its own mythology); paradoxically: if you want to seed life you have to sacrifice first (see beginning - and later david tells us: sometimes to create one must first destroy …or something like that), but if you want to give life (sex), death - in the form of the mutant "srpem"-cells and xenomorphs - is pretty much what is the result; maybe that also means that the engineers' plan is to sacrifice earths' mankind/life similar to the self-sacrifice of the engineer at the beginning - to propel life even further rather than just destroying humanity or breed xenomorph eggs (don't see the point behind that theory at the moment - would be easier to spread the black goo than to pack xenomorph eggs into your spaceship...); …but that's just a guess; another point could be that of going there (earth) before we evolve technology (see below); the xenomorphs were often described as perfect lifeform - like pure will: one goal only: survive, reproduce (pretty much like sperm-cells actually - existent for one reason only: to reproduce, some philosophers described the xenomoroph as pure libido: pure WILL or WANTING if you like); worms often reproduce with themselves - so maybe thats a hint too for the (giant)worm part; also - even though it's highly speculative - engineers seem not to want us getting into the state of developing technology (contact planned for 2000yrs ago); maybe they want to prevent us - mankind - or "stop" us - mankind - from doing the same thing (errors? ….?!?) as they did -> what lead them into the bio-mech stuff; but not only the bio-mech but also the xenomorphs (so in this case and if this theory is true it would not be a weapon in the first place... - but this theory probably makes more sense with the prometheus-myth...? but i'd have to read it again to be really sure...) at least the later engineer seems to become angry when touching david (probably recognizing that he is an android lifeform by touching him); before that moment he seems rather calm; also with all the religious stuff in the movie you can read that sperm/sex thing also to some degree in religious contexts as: being abstinent (enginieers: giving life) vs. sin / libido (christian morality) as giving death (maybe there's something to that xenomorph-devil-theory?!? even though i think it would be too simple and i hope they skip that part)… but i think we'll have to wait and see for prometheus II (or prometheuses if they keep their practice of naming ;O) ); i have a feeling that there could be some female engineers in the following parts, but also that's just a vague guess…. there should be more hints if you read deeper into greek/roman mythology: the engineers - in my opinion - being far closer to the mythological figures of the titans than the greek gods (!); also in this aspect it's interesting that the timeframe is "2000 yrs ago" - where the old greek/roman myths meet christianity and christian myths (with the birth of christ). so but that just being my 2 cents after having seen the movie a few minutes ago; not having seen it again; and not having read the myths et al. or having the time to rethink the whole thing again; i think the key elements one should consider for deeper analysis are: fire & prometheus myth; evolution & technology; christian religion and myths; sexuality (maybe other instincts…?); for me it seems that scott & co try to fuse some of the strongest and biggest of our cultural "myths" - greek/roman mythology, christian religion, darwinism & evolution, technological "evolution" - into one big story; i don't know if this works out quite well or if it's too ambitious for a movie of that kind… but I'll wait for the following movies to give you my final dictum for that. i'm pretty sure there are some things i've overseen; but maybe - if not everything in this post is stated somewhere else already - it helps… best, kissco.
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in 2094 we would have a small chance? "The Xenomorph was meant to be unleashed upon us 2000 years ago. Back then we wouldn't stand a chance, now I'd say we'd have a small chance" I don't buy that...you kill the "queen" if we subscribe to Ridleys accepting of the queen then no more face huggers. Xeno can be killed "if it bleeds we can kill it"....so in the future with weapons and tactics we couldn't dominate a ship coming to earth in 2094? If that engineer thought he was going to get close with ought getting blown outta the sky then he is smoking that alien goo. I like your theories snorkel but I do not like the go take out humans to create xenon...if that is the case then I don't like that conclusion, it seems corny to me and really just another oh aliens want to destroy us. And if the engineers wanted to destroy us 2000 years ago they changed their minds because they have had 2000 years to carry that out. Perhaps there are no engineers left, maybe this was a rouge operation? Overall great stuff though
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@kissco I want to address your alien ship statement. I don't think that the ships have "evolved" I think the ships we see in Alien and the ships in prometheus are bombers or fighters type ships and the bigger ship was for lack of a better term a "mother" ship...
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@ Osiris... ??? 2094??? The Engineers originally intended to deploy their deadly cargo on Earth in the first century AD. Using humans to create Xenomorphs? You have read the OP, Its all about harvesting us for our genetic material.

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- It makes no sense to fly a spacecraft full of Xenomorph Eggs. - it makes no sense to have an Engineer send a warning signal to keep people away. - It makes no sense to point to a location we may never reach. The substance is engineered to ensure the final product will result, as shown by our existence and the appearance of the Deacon. Also the conclusion I drew above is not that the Engineers replacing us with the Xenomorph, but to use the Xenomorph to harvest our genetic material. Also if it wasn't for the Atmosphere Processor going nuclear the Xenomorphs would have emerged triumphant, not the colonial marines. they had already defeated most of the team and of the 4 marines that remained, they took 3 of 'em. Also if anything the Xenomorph has shown that it is not easily defeated even by 2179, so in 2093/4 they would have been more effective than you first presume.

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