Gavin
MemberTrilobiteJun-06-2012 3:42 PMTo understand the Secrets of the the contents of the urns/ampules we first have to separate them into their component parts...
[Edited 02-12-2012]
[u]The Seed[/u]
[img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusE_screencap7.jpg[/img]
A genetically engineered substance created by the Engineers, it is stored within the vials found within the urns/ampules.
This thick, viscous black liquid which was consumed by the Sacrificial Engineer (the Seeding) and unwittingly by Holloway, has three underlining properties:
1. When ingested by an organism (Sacrficial Engineer/Hollway) the "Seed" combines with the cells of the organism, causing the host organism to break down at a cellular level - every cell of their body becoming a viral genetic mutagen, capable of being consumed by other organisms.
2. This viral genetic mutagen, when ingested by other organisms, adds/replaces genes of that organism with those of the host whom consumed the "Seed", imprinting the hosts DNA/Genome onto an indigenous ecosystem. This viral genetic mutagen also acts as an evolutionary accelerant, exponentially mutating organisms with the genetic template/traits from the host (LV-223 worms).
3. The evolutionary accelerant aspect of the mutagen also has the side effect of revitalizing dead/dying cells, seeming resulting in re-animation (Shaws womb/Fifield).
[u]The Black Liquid[/u]
[img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap47.jpg[/img]
The black slimy liquid stored within the urns/ampules is NOT the same substance that was stored within the vials, and contrary to my original theoryis NOT the genetic material of the Xenomorph. This substance is an inert transmission medium, that when combined with the Seed creates an oil like substance, making weaponized transmission of the Seed more effective.
[u]The Urns/Ampules[/u]
[img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusK_screencap31.jpg[/img]
The urns/ampules are medium for storing and deploying both the "Seed" and the transmission medium. When triggered/smashed the "Seed" (see above) and the transmission medium mix, creating an oil like substance, that is more viscous than the Seed, and a more effective means of transmission.
[u]The Xenomorph[/u]
[img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap49.jpg[/img]
As shown by this mural, the xenomorph is of some importance to the Engineers. Lets look at their known history regards the Xenomorph...
- Thousands of years ago, an Engineer craft carrying a cargo of Xenomorph was forced to land on the moon/planetoid LV-426 when its lone pilot unwillingly became host to one of its cargo.
It may be that this craft had previosly visited LV-223 and acquired a payload of the urns before deploying them onto a distant planet. Then after acquiring the eggs that would have remained after the infestation befell its fate upon its return either to LV-223 or the Engineers home world/system.
- 2000 years ago, a team of Engineers stationed on LV-223 prepared to deploy a cargo of urns/ampules to Earth, when one of them inadvertantly unleashed the contents quarantining the base.
As seen in the movie, the urns are the viral deployment method used to instigate a Xenomorph infestation. The urns were designed to ensure safe transport and efficient deployment of the Xenomorph.
[u]The Dark Truth - Completely Rethought[/u]
Taking what we have learnt about the urns/ampules, their contents and the Engineers established history with the xenomorph, and combining that with what we have seen in the Prometheus and Alien movies, leads us towards a dark, disturbing truth...
[b]Phase 1 - The Seeding[/b]
[img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/sacrificial_engineer_prometheus2.jpg[/img]
[b]The Engineers visit primordial planets supporting basic, simple life, whereupon a lone "Sacrificial Engineer" ingests the "Seed", sacrificed his life and seeding the planet with the seed and his DNA, resulting in an ecosystem entirely dominated by the Xenomorph (This is what we see at the start of the film).[/b]
[b]Phase 2 - The Rebirth[/b]
[b]An ecosystem dominated by the Xenomorph results in the exhausting of viable hosts. To combat this the Xenomorph at a genetic level introduced Y chromosome into its genome, giving rise to infertile males (smooth carapaced warriors), and then fertile males (Kings).[/b]
[b]Upon consummating with Kings, Queens become capable of producing a second type of egg, incubating a sub-species of hosts, pale skinned humanoids - Engineers.[/b]
[b]Phase 3 - The Harvest[/b]
[img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/david_earth.jpg[/img]
[b]Systematically a percentage of these Engineers are drafted into Engineer society. Seeking a more efficient means of reproducing the Engineers weaponize the Seed, for deployment upon worlds inhabited by Engineer children, sired before the weaponization of the Seed (the method of this siring not yet seen).[/b]
[b]The Xenomorph DNA, hidden with "human DNA" asserts itself and spreads across the sired planets, resulting in a Xenomorph dominated ecosystem. Once all viable hosts are exhausted, the King Xenomorph is sired and Engineers are born.[/b]
[b]Phase 3 - Collection[/b]
[img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/AlienInfestedWorld.jpg[/img]
[b]The Engineers collect a percentage of Xenomorph (eggs) before transporting them to a location whereby they can be used to produce more Seed (also as yet unseen).[/b]
[u]Why Create Only To Destroy[/u]
[b]Here's a summary of what we know so far...[/b]
[b][/b]
[b]- A Sacrificial Engineer sacrifices his life, seeding life upon a primordial world, using his own genetic material. To date we the fans have assumed this action, through natural selection and engineering, resulted in billions of clones/children of the Engineer to evolve, in his image - us.[/b]
[b]But The consumption of the Seed by Holloway results in the creation of a Xenomorph in the form of the Deacon, therefore we must assume our initial belief to be false - meaning that the Sacrificial Engineer was not siring a planet of life that would evolve into human form, but instead cultivating a world that would be dominated by the Xenomorph.[/b]
[b]- The Urns show that the urns are a means to deploy the Xenomorph amongst human races also sired by Engineers, as shown by the DNA match in the movie.[/b]
[b]- The Xenomorph extrapolates genetic material from its hosts, propagating its own kind.[/b]
[b]- Once all hosts are exhausted, the Xenomorphs would need a means to continue their existence, otherwise they would die, and only their eggs would remain.[/b]
[b]- The Engineers return to gather the eggs.[/b]
[b][/b]
[b]WHY? Why would the Engineers seed a planet to create millions/billions of clones/children in their image and using their own DNA only to later wipe them out using the Xenomorph? Well I believe I may have the answer...[/b]
[b][/b]
[b]The Xenomorph, as we know it, is capable of eradicating an entire ecosystem of its indigenous population by using said life forms as hosts to propagate its own species. When gestating inside a host, Xenomorph embryos extrapolate genetic material and traits from their host, to add to their own genome and to adapt to the environment and ecosystem which they have been deployed into. It is this trait of the Xenomorph I believe that holds the key...[/b]
[u]Genetic Material[/u]
[img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusO_screencap14.jpg[/img]
[b]We, the human race have evolved from and continue to evolve from the Engineers genetic material. Our genetic material, our genome is almost identical to that of the Engineers. This same genetic material is extrapolated by the Xenomorph, a deadly genetic and bio-mechanical creation held in some regard by the Engineers, themselves expertics in genetic and bio-mechanical engineering.[/b]
[b][/b]
[b][i]To the Engineers the human race are "Maize". Once we have grown to required amount in number and in the required way, we are harvested, and the Xenomorph is the "Harvester".[/i][/b]
[b][/b]
[b]Our genes/DNA/Genome/genetic material is the "Maize", that is what the Engineers want/need, and the Xenomorph is the means by which to harvest our genetic material. But why?[/b]
Tinker
MemberOvomorphOct-03-2012 2:57 AMOK...going to add my two cents to this fascinating discussion and hopefully add something productive to this.
I love the premise that the black goo could be a method of 'rebooting' the genetic blueprint of the Engineers to make sure their continued survival over the eon's. Which in turn has gotten me thinking about alternative reasons, so here comes my 'fuzzy' logic.
I agree that the black liquid is just a tool, much like we harvest samples in labs and exterminate them without a second thought. Our level of evolution compared to the Engineers would put us at a level of 'higher functioning fungus', so I can understand the ambivalence they show towards and never saw it as 'evil'.
Now this led me to thinking about why would they make it so damned hard to 'harvest' the product for its genetic code? Thus I am starting to wonder if the mural of the deacon on the wall is nothing more than a warning symbol, much like we have labels on products. The mural is there is every room to signify the "severe risk of injury or death" to the Engineers working with the material.
Accepting that, I figured that the Engineers have no silver bullet in dealing with the Deacons. If there is an accident the place gets locked down and quarantined. So this facility was never forgotten, much like a nuclear bunker here on earth, the Engineers may be simply waiting to return once they believe it to be safe knowing that it will be eventually. Otherwise would you not just wipe out the facility from a safe distance? And they obviously have time on their side.
Taking that thought, the idea that they know the facility would eventually be safe to return to, what could this tell us about earth? Well, we know they visited on several occasions probably for a progress report. They must have determined that 2000 years ago was the 'optimum' moment to 'harvest' us before we boiled over into the surrounding planets. Hence off they sent the ship to drop the cargo, then they could forget all about us until they knew it was safe to go to earth for their crop.
Assuming they have done this many times before, they probably could set their celestial watches by how things progress. Now I am going to go off on bit of a tangent now as I am going to make the assertion that its [b]not[/b] the genetic code they want.
My main reason for going against the genetic code idea is that they make it so hard to harvest. I dare say that W-Y could have created almost as efficient bio-devices to simply break down the human race into certainly more friendly versions of the Deacons. We know they are like ants, they build structures/nests from their own excrement. Breed like any parasite until the host species is eventually wiped out and finally they die out leaving just very long-lasting eggs 'just-in-case' any pesky humanoids survived.
The engineers then come back but not to harvest the genetic material, but the structures that were built all over the planet, much like in the last image of the post that started this thread. All the Engineers structures seem to be constructed of the same material, even the suits they wear seem to be hybrid of it. The engineers may have some across the original 'alien' species eon's ago, and if anything like us, they too would have lived in a world of limited resources.
So like we use GM on our food, they figured out a way to simply 'grow' all the materials you need in a relatively eco-friendly way. They eventually pick the planets clean of the material and start the process all over again. This kind of holistic approach to their society would explain the sacrifice to start it all, much like this thinking influenced those ancient cultures on earth that they come into contact with who too gave sacrifices. This also syncs with the premise that while the Deacon is a problem for them, they are relatively comfortable working with and transporting the eggs left over. Thus the crashed ship on LV-426 would have been on its way 'back' from a planet being harvested somewhere else in the galaxy.
Maybe this all boils down to a green message? Whatever society the Engineers support, they may not necessarily be aware of the 'mass-genocide' aspect of this process, another reason us arriving on their doorstep could be a problem. Making the Engineers the W-T of their society? I will stop at that thought as it is going off topic and belongs in another thread.
So while I agree with the premise that all this is to help sustain the Engineers society in some way, I am just suggesting maybe it's not the gene-pool they are after. Maybe it's what the Deacons create and leave behind that is the end goal?
Hope that all makes sense, did not mean for it to be so long but hope you followed my train of thought!
Trevorlang314
MemberOvomorphOct-04-2012 10:09 AMI have heard that this movie is based a lot on the story "Mountains of Madness." After reading about this, I believe I have the answers to the goo and the engineers.
In the Mountains of Madness, there is an ancient substance that is called the Shoggoth. This substance has intelligence and can assume any form. They engineers used this substance to help seed life on Earth, just after the moon broke away from the planet. The engineers are at war with another race, another species maybe. The Shoggoth has taken on a life of its own. This once life creating substance has now proven deadly to the engineers and has wiped them almost completely out. I would guess that the engineers are not heading to Earth to destroy humans, although humans will be killed. They are heading there to destroying an ancient enemy buried deep inside the Earth, under the sea. These other creatures are in stasis themselves and will eventually rise up again. They must destroy the Earth with the goo in order to create new life again. ??? Just a theory. The xenomorphs are used to harvest the Shoggoth. The engineers are trying to manipulate the Shoggoth (the goo) for whatever reason, but the Shoggoth cannot be controlled or contained. It turns on them.
I think that in the sequel we will see Shaw and David discover the home planet of the engineers, which will be completely laid waste. The surviving engineers were heading to Earth to destroy the Shoggoth and to re-engineer humans, or turn humans into fertilizer so they could replenish the Earth with their kind - a new engineer race.
I think we're going to see how the engineers were wiped out on LV223 and learn about their demise on their home planet.
Trev
BigDave
MemberDeaconOct-03-2012 8:22 AMCould be and this is what Snorky thinks well similar.
But i am trying to logically digest that theory and i cant, you see if thats the process then why wait 2000 years, why not do it earlier why 2000 years ago?, why not 4000, 5000 etc.
Also why did they not come back to collect some of the Urns or set up another outpost to carry out the mission, why just not bother with us after 2000 years ago.
Also the Xeno is a deadly weapon, if we assume these Engineers are higher beings, who live for a long time, a very long time and if they are maybe not as numerous as mankind. Why would they deal and dable with such a Hostile Bio Weapon.
Lets Face it the Egg Cargo is not very safe as the Space Jockey in Alien found out, and every Human in the Alien movies since.
And the Urns seem not much safer as well, as the outbreak on LV 223 proved and also the Last Engineer found out as well as the crew of Prometheus.
So why use one hazardous Bio Weapon to then create and Harvest another.
Thats like Blowing up with Explosives a Fuel Dump purely to use the heat to generate some other type of Energy.
Also if they need Human DNA to Harvest, well there is not much in the Black Goo invested Mutations never mind the Xeno Organism.
I do see that your point is that they use the material left from what ever is left and do not actually need Humans for their DNA, and that they then take the Eggs to another world to then do the same... create Xenos who produce material the Engineers need and leave behind more Eggs.
But why the Urns?
Why not seed a World as the Sacrificial Scene, then send down Eggs...
Unless the Eggs are deemed to risky a Cargo/Tool and they re-engineered it into the Goo in the Urns.... but then if they mutate the host planet and end up leaving Eggs then that makes no sense if the Goo is used because the Eggs to dangerous.
You do give me a idea from what your saying though, and that is the Sacrificial Engineers Goo he took, broke him down that then seeded life.
Would it not be better to use that same Goo on Earth and let it break us down into a substance that they can then harvest as it contains our DNA. Unless off course the Goo is the same as in the Urns and i has a different effect on other life and does not break down the infected person like it does with Engineers, but its mutates them like we see in Prometheus to the Worms and Fifield etc.
But then if thats the case then how come a Goo outbreak did not simply break down the Engineers who fell on LV 223... or did it who knows.
I just think if they wanted to Harvest us, surely they are so advanced they could find other means to accomplish that task rather than use deadly and hard to control Bio Weapons.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
BigDave
MemberDeaconOct-03-2012 8:28 AMSo yes looking at a Weapon to reset life if they feel the current project a failure, well the Perfect Method may be the Goo the Engineer had taken.
Maybe it only breaks you down if it is taken Orally in Large amounts who knows.
What we do see is that all life on Earth may had come from that Engineers seed, and it created for example Mammals and Mankind....
Would using that stuff break all life down to reform into other life that shares similar DNA.... thus mankind gone replaced by some other lifeforms who would have to start are square one like the Cave Men did?
You see because the Goo in the Urns seems to change things to carry Xeno DNA and traits, and thus if this is the same stuff then why does life on Earth not carry Xeno DNA but only Engineer.
Is it that indeed the Substance is one and the same but effects Engineers differently but then if thats the case what of the outbreak on LV 223.
To me it seems that the reason for the Xeno DNA in the Urns is because it contained re-weaponized Xeno Organisms.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
shambs
MemberOvomorphOct-03-2012 9:06 AMI wonder if the different sizes of some urns have something to do with different the effects.
[img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/smallurn.png[/img]
[img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/spaceurns.png[/img]
Why this difference sizes? Different purposes? or Other species, ie different forms of DNA?
shambs
MemberOvomorphOct-03-2012 9:07 AMSo it is possible that the biological weapon is only a past mistake, a mistake without remedy? Then maybe is not a big deal after all. Well, maybe it's important for the Alien fans :D
I say this because as @BigDave says the Urns are not very safe.
But Although we Don't know how and why that plague was unleashed 2000 years ago in the pyramid.
In addition, the cargo hold of the Juggernaut is full of urns in perfect condition. Then maybe the Urns are very safe for transportation. The crew of Engineers could die during the design (upgrade) of the weapon, some risks are inherent when someone is doing experiments after all.
But I insist that we Don't know exactly what happened with the Engineers, even comes to my mind the question: Could it be the Engineer survivor a traitor?
djamelameziane
MemberFacehuggerOct-04-2012 10:30 AMPretty much what I have been saying in other threads and think too...and I have not read mountains of madness just what I saw online so I it interesting to see more of it in your post. Not so sure about the earth part but involving earth in some way would be good... Thought I think Ridley and his crew will be conscious of this and may throw in some twists because of everyone expecting it...
I think possibly the shoggoth will be the xenos and they actually make the goo - or one god like entity does - the original one - I was thinking more that the elders trapped this god like entity or so they thought to harvest the goo power but all the time it was playing with them and now has wiped out most of there empire...anyway obviously one of millions of possibilities :P ...
"It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D
geopap
MemberOvomorphOct-08-2012 7:19 AMWhat if the urns contain Xeno blood (the white liquid) mixed with engineer blood (the black liquid at the bottom when David reversed the bottle), mixed up together?
"... and the sea will grant each man new hope, as sleep brings dreams of home." Christopher Columbus.
styroteqe
MemberOvomorphOct-09-2012 12:06 PM[img]http://i.imgur.com/hm4SP.jpg[/img]
chainsawsquirrel
MemberOvomorphOct-10-2012 9:19 AM'tis clear now. all the urns were for was a weapon to wipe out humans, by propagating the xenomorph species on earth using the urns themselves. amazing what watching the film a second time makes u realise. as for that picture just up there, that just ends the whole discussion of what's in the urns...a virus, engineered to genetically modify humans and transform them into the xenomorphs. i'd really have liked to see holloway turn into one tho.
Trevorlang314
MemberOvomorphOct-10-2012 2:45 PMThe engineers are trying to resurrect the xenomorphs. In order to do this, they wanted to seed life on Earth first, then later drop in the black goo to experiment, to see if that would create the xenomorphs. At the end of the movie we see the "Deacon" get created, deriving from the engineer. If that had been a human, then the creature would have been a xenomorph. Humans are just lab rats. This is just my 2 cents. Probably no closer to the truth, but fun to speculate.
Trev
BigaC
MemberOvomorphOct-11-2012 3:35 AM*** 2 types of liquids ****
Sorry if this question asked before, but you stated that the only the urn liquid was for xeno.
but the xeno at the end of movie was definitely from the non-xeno liquid.
non-xeno liquid-Halloway-Shaw-squid-enginer = Xeno.
so it seems both liquid can produce xeno.
even there is no proof that the urn liquid for xenos....
urn liquid+worm=hammerpede (but we dont know what hammerpede does)
urn liquid+human=zombie like humans
I rather distinguish the two liquids as
- liquid at the beginning of movie = creation liquid
- liquid on LV-233 = biological weapon
Titan of Greece
MemberOvomorphOct-11-2012 8:25 AMCheck out the MBAG game at [url=http://my.prometheus-review.co.uk]my Prometheus Review[/url] - find out what the Magic Black Alien Goop is [i]really[/i] capable of! You'll be surprised :)
Trevorlang314
MemberOvomorphOct-11-2012 12:31 PMFrom Prometheus Facebook: http://imgur.com/hm4SP
Weyland obtains more data on the black goo.
Trev
StretchNYC
MemberOvomorphOct-14-2012 2:02 PM[code][/code]@Snorklebottom...You have some really great ideas, but I'm not falling for your provided thesis :-)
@Emme My opinion is that the engineer reacted to Shaw because she was being assaulted/attacked. The engineer also reacted to Mr Wayland when he spoke.
There is a bigger picture to this movie then all expect and I can't wait until it's shown!!!
One more thing why is that most think the engineers created the black oooz? As Holloway said while in the skullroom...(is this just another tomb)
skitzes
MemberOvomorphOct-15-2012 1:57 PMwow very interesting! i was thinking they were coming to weaponize humanity but i just now learned about the xeno mural (hadnt noticed it) and this does make a lot of sense, very feasible.
oduodu
MemberXenomorphOct-15-2012 2:58 PMas i have previously asked it seems the goo works only by ingesting and inhaling but not by absorbtion through the skin ?
then happened with the head of the decapitated engineer who had 2 drops on his forehead ? overstimulating the nervous system with electricity ?
so can we see the goo as adirect replacement for the eggs becayse death occurs from ingesting after 36 hours (respitory failure) ? as the xeno dies after more ar less thesame time period ?
does this mean promethesu is not canon to aliens and all subsequent movies ?
in aliens xenos seem to live a lot longer then 36/48 hours ?
or am i wrong ?
Aramaki
MemberOvomorphOct-17-2012 6:08 AMLike the tread I was under the impression that the reason the Engineers created life was to return later and harvest it and use it as hosts, but something has made me rethink this.
There are several scenes in the movie where Shaw asks, 'Why did they change their mind?' She repeats this so much it makes me think it has to be significant.
Also, on the audio commentary for the movie, Scott suggests that the Engineers made it their purpose to seed the universe with life and then asks what would happen if they then decided it was wrong? I'm paraphrasing a bit there but he seems to be saying that Engineers created us because they could. (the reason Wayland created David). The reason they were coming back was simply to exterminate us, not use us as hosts. One of the writers, Lindelof I believe, also states that the Engineers created us because they could but they weren't happy with the result, so they were going to use the urns to mutate us and 'see what happens'. Try to create a better being.
wlcina
MemberOvomorphOct-30-2012 8:14 AM1) The space jockey drinking DNA transformer (black goo) was on Earth, and with his sacrifice he gave initial boost to start life on Earth, then a human race was borned, and this can explain 100% DNA comparison (however, not whole DNA string is compared, only some important parts)
(Think about his sacrifice, he knew he will die, would he sacrifice for purpose of killing creatures borned from hir sacrifice?)
2) I believe he drinked that DNA transformer for purpose I mentioned above, and as we can see ship taking off from Earth, I also believe that this "Prometheus" jockey was part of group which wanted to create life on Earth (and other planets also).
3) The same group was visiting Earth multiple times and left the information about the base on LV 233 in pictures (star maps) on different parts on Earth. Why ? - I think they saw that human race does have potential, and hopefully will visit their base in future, (to meet the creators).
(That requires to find and understand clues (maps) they left - and - humans must develop technically to visit their base (invent spaceship, hypersleep etc).
4) Main question is - why they wanted humans to visit LV 233? (after what we saw that jockey started to killing humans with anger)
- one of answer is - there were at least 2 factions of jockeys, lets name them:
creators - which were creating intelligent life
destroyers - the one which wants to rule universe
I also believe, that the LV-233 station was base of creators, (thats why they wanted to be visited by humans)
However, they were attacked by destroyers (they do not like the idea that there are other - technically evolved races (humans), which used another kind of (modified) DNA transformer2 (there were 2 kind of black goo's - first one - which "Prometheus" drunk on Earth, and second one which modifies any DNA to hostile creature (as we saw in movie) both of them had different effect), the creators were killed (piles of dead bodies) by creatures created with this DNA transformer2. The destroyer also infected, or modified (probably all) DNA transformer2 to create hostile creatures (new worms etc). Creatures later on died (by age or hunger ;-) ). One of destroyers (there could be just this one) programs ship to travel to Earth as he planned to erase human kind with DNA Transformer2, but something bad happens and he stays in hypersleep.
5) When humans awake the destroyer jockey, he recognized that creators experiment went successful and he started to eradicate humans asap :D, also he wants to get to Earth and use DNA transformer2 to eradicate human race completely.
Derelict on LV 426 story
thats just my opinion
It could be a creator, which was infected by hostile creature (after attack on their base on LV 233, he fled from LV 233,and after he recognized (the pain or whatever symptoms) that something bad happened to him, started to transmite warning signal and lands on LV 426, from his body alien queen emerges and lays eggs which were found by Nostromo crew. Queen later on died from hunger or age ;-D again, (nothing to eat on LV 426 right ? :D)
The differences between alien species - could be explained that they are based on hosts (as the alien in alien3 (dog/cow) was different from standard - human born aliens
urwithsteve
MemberOvomorphOct-30-2012 10:17 PMpics are ausommmmmm... prometheous super coooooool
MVMNT
MemberOvomorphNov-01-2012 7:01 AMFundamentally - none of us know how this stuff is created or its origins
BigDave
MemberDeaconNov-20-2012 6:36 PMWell the Weyland file has given us a major clue.
The Urn contains a core substance that acts as a Virus that breaks down DNA and then re-organizes it and mutates it.
The simple explanation however does not seem to answer what we see in the movie as a lot of elements would contradict such a purpose.
My theory made more sense but since the release of the Weyland File my theory does not apply as the Substance through out the movie is now indicated as being the same thing... in spite of how it has such a different effect then?
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Indy John
MemberOvomorphDec-02-2012 9:33 AM"..I also believe, that the LV-233 station was base of creators, (thats why they wanted to be visited by humans).."
I sort of understand that the Creators wanted to know when Earthlings were able to function in star travel..but to invite them to their main(Moon) base) seems foolish unless the Creators were so confident in their powers that they could subdue any humans that present themselves.
It seems more logical to plant travel plans to a monitored spot away from their home base(off moon) and then contact us when we reached this trap.
That tells the Creators that that we have reached a certain level of skill and protect them from any side effects or trouble we humans could cause.
I also hold out for a distinction between Ctrators(as yet unseen) and Engineers.
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life
caenorhabhditis
MemberOvomorphDec-02-2012 10:38 AMyeah the star system is pointed out to humans but not which planet! Holloway makes the assumption that LV-223 being the most atmospherically hospitable is the place but in truth its not specified and to my eyes the engineer seems in the deleted scene anyway to almost roll his eyes when told that "they had come as asked" maybe thats just my interperetation but just before he gets up he seems to pull an expression of "oh for goodness sake!" as though thinking the humans had got the wrong idea and were stupid for that.
I cant imagine why if they are advanced genetic engineers they couldnt get around a problem like loss of gender ratios and usually the concern is less males not less females!
Also (and although its a good theory) i dont see why the engineers would got to all those very dangerous lengths to maintain genetic diversity when they could simply A: seed planet, make humans who differ just enough but are similar ennough to conserve species identity then B: y'know make babies!!!
why extrapolate from a dangerous monster that would mutate the gene pool too far.
It is said that when we choose partners we subconsciously find those who remind us of ourselves but with just enough about them thats different to spice things up (hybrid vigour) this is because deep down when we procreate the aim is to recreate ourselves as close as can but with little fine tunings thats the theory anyway.
I LIKE WORMS! I LOVE WORMS!
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteDec-02-2012 3:21 PMOP updated with an amendment to the original theory...
Indy John
MemberOvomorphDec-05-2012 6:00 AM"It is said that when we choose partners we subconsciously find those who remind us of ourselves but with just enough about them thats different to spice things up (hybrid vigour"
This thread reminded me of of David's development by Weyland, I do wonder what diffeerences he might have implanted in David's programming.
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richardbrucebaxter
MemberOvomorphDec-26-2012 9:00 AMSomething I remember seeing in the movie was a tiny worm/triolobite progenitor on the flask/glass while David was preparing it and before giving it to Holloway. I remember thinking it strange or rather in character that David would just ignore this additional contaminent (like he didn't care for OHaS). I just watched the blu-ray for the first time but couldn't see it. Has anyone else seen this? Basically this would imply that Holloways infection was perhaps completely independent to that he transferred to Dr Shaw. This also would make sense given that Elizabeth didn't suffer the same fate.
Ghosty
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphJan-02-2013 11:15 PMHmm, this is actually rather accurate feeling, it does make sense. Although there would have to be a safe way to do this "Harvesting" once you have started up the all eating "tractors" (Xeno's). :/
I'll keep my eye on this one! :D
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therua
MemberOvomorphMar-03-2013 9:12 PMwho are the kings?
AVPVP
MemberOvomorphApr-07-2013 9:21 PMwhat I don't get is; the Xenomorph came out as a whole in the first promethean movie, but in "Alien" and the other movies, they come out of their host smaller, is this because of evolution, or through genotypes? or because the "Face hugger" was "Unevolved" and much bigger? or just because they thought it would look cooler?