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The Secrets of the Black Liquid REVEALED

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Gavin

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To understand the Secrets of the the contents of the urns/ampules we first have to separate them into their component parts... [Edited 02-12-2012] [u]The Seed[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusE_screencap7.jpg[/img] A genetically engineered substance created by the Engineers, it is stored within the vials found within the urns/ampules. This thick, viscous black liquid which was consumed by the Sacrificial Engineer (the Seeding) and unwittingly by Holloway, has three underlining properties: 1. When ingested by an organism (Sacrficial Engineer/Hollway) the "Seed" combines with the cells of the organism, causing the host organism to break down at a cellular level - every cell of their body becoming a viral genetic mutagen, capable of being consumed by other organisms. 2. This viral genetic mutagen, when ingested by other organisms, adds/replaces genes of that organism with those of the host whom consumed the "Seed", imprinting the hosts DNA/Genome onto an indigenous ecosystem. This viral genetic mutagen also acts as an evolutionary accelerant, exponentially mutating organisms with the genetic template/traits from the host (LV-223 worms). 3. The evolutionary accelerant aspect of the mutagen also has the side effect of revitalizing dead/dying cells, seeming resulting in re-animation (Shaws womb/Fifield). [u]The Black Liquid[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap47.jpg[/img] The black slimy liquid stored within the urns/ampules is NOT the same substance that was stored within the vials, and contrary to my original theoryis NOT the genetic material of the Xenomorph. This substance is an inert transmission medium, that when combined with the Seed creates an oil like substance, making weaponized transmission of the Seed more effective. [u]The Urns/Ampules[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusK_screencap31.jpg[/img] The urns/ampules are medium for storing and deploying both the "Seed" and the transmission medium. When triggered/smashed the "Seed" (see above) and the transmission medium mix, creating an oil like substance, that is more viscous than the Seed, and a more effective means of transmission. [u]The Xenomorph[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap49.jpg[/img] As shown by this mural, the xenomorph is of some importance to the Engineers. Lets look at their known history regards the Xenomorph... - Thousands of years ago, an Engineer craft carrying a cargo of Xenomorph was forced to land on the moon/planetoid LV-426 when its lone pilot unwillingly became host to one of its cargo. It may be that this craft had previosly visited LV-223 and acquired a payload of the urns before deploying them onto a distant planet. Then after acquiring the eggs that would have remained after the infestation befell its fate upon its return either to LV-223 or the Engineers home world/system. - 2000 years ago, a team of Engineers stationed on LV-223 prepared to deploy a cargo of urns/ampules to Earth, when one of them inadvertantly unleashed the contents quarantining the base. As seen in the movie, the urns are the viral deployment method used to instigate a Xenomorph infestation. The urns were designed to ensure safe transport and efficient deployment of the Xenomorph. [u]The Dark Truth - Completely Rethought[/u] Taking what we have learnt about the urns/ampules, their contents and the Engineers established history with the xenomorph, and combining that with what we have seen in the Prometheus and Alien movies, leads us towards a dark, disturbing truth... [b]Phase 1 - The Seeding[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/sacrificial_engineer_prometheus2.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers visit primordial planets supporting basic, simple life, whereupon a lone "Sacrificial Engineer" ingests the "Seed", sacrificed his life and seeding the planet with the seed and his DNA, resulting in an ecosystem entirely dominated by the Xenomorph (This is what we see at the start of the film).[/b] [b]Phase 2 - The Rebirth[/b] [b]An ecosystem dominated by the Xenomorph results in the exhausting of viable hosts. To combat this the Xenomorph at a genetic level introduced Y chromosome into its genome, giving rise to infertile males (smooth carapaced warriors), and then fertile males (Kings).[/b] [b]Upon consummating with Kings, Queens become capable of producing a second type of egg, incubating a sub-species of hosts, pale skinned humanoids - Engineers.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - The Harvest[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/david_earth.jpg[/img] [b]Systematically a percentage of these Engineers are drafted into Engineer society. Seeking a more efficient means of reproducing the Engineers weaponize the Seed, for deployment upon worlds inhabited by Engineer children, sired before the weaponization of the Seed (the method of this siring not yet seen).[/b] [b]The Xenomorph DNA, hidden with "human DNA" asserts itself and spreads across the sired planets, resulting in a Xenomorph dominated ecosystem. Once all viable hosts are exhausted, the King Xenomorph is sired and Engineers are born.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - Collection[/b] [img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/AlienInfestedWorld.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers collect a percentage of Xenomorph (eggs) before transporting them to a location whereby they can be used to produce more Seed (also as yet unseen).[/b] [u]Why Create Only To Destroy[/u] [b]Here's a summary of what we know so far...[/b] [b][/b] [b]- A Sacrificial Engineer sacrifices his life, seeding life upon a primordial world, using his own genetic material. To date we the fans have assumed this action, through natural selection and engineering, resulted in billions of clones/children of the Engineer to evolve, in his image - us.[/b] [b]But The consumption of the Seed by Holloway results in the creation of a Xenomorph in the form of the Deacon, therefore we must assume our initial belief to be false - meaning that the Sacrificial Engineer was not siring a planet of life that would evolve into human form, but instead cultivating a world that would be dominated by the Xenomorph.[/b] [b]- The Urns show that the urns are a means to deploy the Xenomorph amongst human races also sired by Engineers, as shown by the DNA match in the movie.[/b] [b]- The Xenomorph extrapolates genetic material from its hosts, propagating its own kind.[/b] [b]- Once all hosts are exhausted, the Xenomorphs would need a means to continue their existence, otherwise they would die, and only their eggs would remain.[/b] [b]- The Engineers return to gather the eggs.[/b] [b][/b] [b]WHY? Why would the Engineers seed a planet to create millions/billions of clones/children in their image and using their own DNA only to later wipe them out using the Xenomorph? Well I believe I may have the answer...[/b] [b][/b] [b]The Xenomorph, as we know it, is capable of eradicating an entire ecosystem of its indigenous population by using said life forms as hosts to propagate its own species. When gestating inside a host, Xenomorph embryos extrapolate genetic material and traits from their host, to add to their own genome and to adapt to the environment and ecosystem which they have been deployed into. It is this trait of the Xenomorph I believe that holds the key...[/b] [u]Genetic Material[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusO_screencap14.jpg[/img] [b]We, the human race have evolved from and continue to evolve from the Engineers genetic material. Our genetic material, our genome is almost identical to that of the Engineers. This same genetic material is extrapolated by the Xenomorph, a deadly genetic and bio-mechanical creation held in some regard by the Engineers, themselves expertics in genetic and bio-mechanical engineering.[/b] [b][/b] [b][i]To the Engineers the human race are "Maize". Once we have grown to required amount in number and in the required way, we are harvested, and the Xenomorph is the "Harvester".[/i][/b] [b][/b] [b]Our genes/DNA/Genome/genetic material is the "Maize", that is what the Engineers want/need, and the Xenomorph is the means by which to harvest our genetic material. But why?[/b]

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"...Maybe the purpose of the Urns is that when a living life form breaths near them they change the air so as that it then activates the Liquid inside and thus activates the Bio Weapon...." I like this explanation,,but wonder why there seemed to be so little security..surrounding the Urn storage area.. (actually in the whole compound)
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I would assume that security was not bad prior to the outbreak. Earth has a lot of device mechanisms but if a virus wiped us all out then our Tanks, Planes and Missiles would be useless without out us to control them or give the command to fire. My theory would have it that the Urns remain in active as long as the air is not contaminated and so maybe had the crew of Prometheus not taken off any helmets then they would have not had activated the Urns. Again thats not a fact, only Ridley will know the full answers or at least some kind of rough ideas they wish to expand upon one day.

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I think that Ridley .. just by reading the boards would have million possible plot lines to explore..
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Sorry. I had written a whole lot on here and when i went to submit it, i guess i took too long and it went to the log in screen. Rather than write it all over again, I will summarize. First, everyone is only trying to link Prometheus with the Alien saga. What about AVP and the Predators? The Engineers created humans. Why? They apparently visited earth multiple times after the creation, as different civilization form different time periods drew them. At the same time, the Predators were visiting and teaching primitive people technology. The Predators already had the xenomorph eggs and were using it to infect the people so they would have something to hunt. Perhaps the Predators are super advanced and they either created the Engineers to do their molecular/bio-engineering (as we make androids; and as someone said they all look the same and are all male so they are probably clones) or they found a planet of yolked science nerds and commissioned them to create better prey for them to hunt. The ship in Alien had a payload of eggs. Maybe they were going to earth to replenish the supplies as the temple in Antarctica seemed to be the only one left and they destroyed it and the predators were reduced to hunting only humans. Since the ship found in Alien didn’t make it, maybe the Engineers on LV-223 had to send a ship armed with a payload of black goo to Earth to create new xenomorphs for the predators to hunt. But, somehow the engineers screwed up and got infected. The Predators are bad ass and would probably lay waste to the Engineers so maybe when the Engineer wakes up, he is frantic and kills everyone and tries to take off quickly because he needs to get to Earth with the payload quickly before the Predators get pissed and start some stuff. There was a lot more in depth stuff I would have brought up in my first attempt to write this but again, I didn’t want to write it all over again. I just feel people need to really consider the timelines and not forget about the Predator and AVP movies and only focus on trying to link Prometheus to the Alien saga. I would love to hear others’ thoughts.
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Interesting premise, but its been established by both Cameron and Scott that AVP is not part of the original canon. Just an attempt by Fox to extract more money from two waning franchises.
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True, but someone okayed these movies and now they cant simply be disregarded seeing as how they do exist and even though they were not intended to join the franchises. Sorry, I cant unwatch those movies and erase them from my brain....lol.
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@ schenkenator, Sorry, but there has been no official statement either way stating whether or not the AVP are classed as canon and part of the same fictional universe. Ridley has stated that he didn't like them nor their premise, and Cameron stated that of the alien movies he considered AVP to be the 3rd best one (after Alien and Aliens of course), but other than that, no official statement.

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Wow, snork didn't paid attention to some of the points earlier, reading it fresh again, looks intriguing concept.
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"...Therefore they seeded life using their DNA in the hope that their children (us) would save them from extinction, and then created the means by which to extract the genetic material they needed - the Xenomorph. ..." So the Engineers need humans and XENos....Looks like they really need to work in their biological skills,,, Would the surving Engineer,,wake up...be aware of all the implications,,and expectations..of their seeding..and wipe out the needed humans/ Why were we so threatening to him?? And then the Aliens(in all of their variations shown in this motion picture) are also needed to complete the life circle,,,but they turn out to be killers. THe result of this sequence is that all of the known Engineers are dead..and only one living human is around, The question in my mind just how many 'Aliens' are not only lurking..but ready to explode from the canisters,,, This seems to ready to become a Zeno world..at any time.. Humans may be the Aliens in Xeno controlled world..
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By the way, source of 3rd image ? (I mean the collection one).
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@ Sky, do you mean the urns - this sites very own gallery of course.

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No. The Phase 3 - Collection one. I see it has title - alien infested world. Is that image hosted in the gallery?
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Oh this one... [img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/AlienInfestedWorld.jpg[/img] ...i found it a while back using google and downloaded it to my laptop a while back. then when I was compiling the OP for this thread I thought of the image and tried finding it again but couldn't so I uploaded the own I'd DL'ed to my photobucket account.

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Yes, this one. It looks cool, I was thinking if there is a larger resolution of this image, say 640px and higher?
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There may well be if you can find, I'm sorry but I can't remember where I found it LOL

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No worries will try to find it on G.
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I was on my way to writing some of my ideas about this stuff in another thread until I found some of them expressed here already. I will post what I was going to write here. Even though some have already been posted. Perhaps we will find out that humans were created as hosts for the Xenomorphs. The form of the Xenomorph we saw in the mural in the "big head room" in Prometheus indicates that they ideally require a bipedal host (quadrapedal host births quad-xeno--Alien 3) and as of now, there are only two known bipedal entities in the ALIEN universe; humans and the Engineers. Since we can assume the engineers do not include themselves as ideal hosts--that only leaves humans. Now of course we can speculate that there are other planets with bipedal life or there may be different factions of competing Engineers making it possible that they consider their species a viable host, but given what we know now I think my first conjecture the most likely (excluding the Predators as I don't think Scott will entertain that merger). This brings up the question of to whom are the Xenomorph ultimately being made for? Seems like it would have to be for some species that is a genuine threat to the Engineers. There is really no need to go through all the trouble with an inferior species such as ourself, who can be dispatched of with much simpler means. I don't think I buy the explanation that the Engineers are in want of our DNA for reproduction or to diversify their gene pool. That theory only works if their understanding of genetics is incomplete. Once they understand the principles of genetics--and they certainly do--then they do not need to go through all that trouble to harvest DNA when they can just create it themselves and alter it anyway they want. If they were experiencing troubles reproducing or diversifying their gene pool they certainly have the means of resolving that in the lab. It really wouldn't be that difficult. We humans can foresee ourselves being able to resolve such problems now. To expand on the Black Goo: Definitely two different kinds. Why do they look the same? Purely aesthetic preference. As we can see in the film, the Engineers have a very homogeneous aesthetic, indicating a unified vision amongst them. They are very limited in their range of forms and colors. The only objects they created that have color was the green crystal-like object on the tomb in the "big head room", the green "electricity-like" light on the Juggernaut control panel, the lights inside the Engineers cryo-sleeper, and the cloak of the sacrificial Engineer--everything else was black or gray. Oh so the Engineers added food coloring to the goo to manage the color? No, but the director wanted aesthetic homogeneity. The similarity in appearance of the two goo's is a minor detail that doesn't require explanation in sequels.
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".....They are very limited in their range of forms and colors....." If linited colors are availible in the 'Engineers' world,,why was 'Green'..significant for the Big Head Room? Obviously because humans like this color;...signifying life,,grass..trees,,,ect....all missing on this moon. And when the humans were able to visit this moon,,it was a welcome sign .. a beacon /// that we as a living race..are on the right track to...somewhere,,, Stay tuned for the next ..pre-sequel..
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"....This brings up the question of to whom are the Xenomorph ultimately being made for? ..." Yes this is the question..plus 'Why?' Could they have been a Weyland experiment that just went wrong?.. I hope we can count on David/Shaw to answer this question..
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@ Snorkelbottom Your post (the OP) was quite elaborated, well formulated and luring. But we all due respect, it feels to me like it’s seriously beating around the bush! After all your explanatory facts, your conclusion makes no sense for me: [i]“Therefore they seeded life using their DNA in the hope that their children (us) would save them from extinction, and then created the means by which to extract the genetic material they needed - the Xenomorph.”[/i] Why create the Xenomorph at all? Just go there and abduct as many humans they needed and use them as “gas stations”. Why go to all the trouble of creating whole specie, wait for millions of years for that specie to evolve and mature (or whatever) and then eradicate it by using an extremely deadly and uncontrollable specie to wipe it out so in the end you get a whole planet filled with Xenomorph eggs which contains the deadly specie still? Am I the only one confused here? lol

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