I like Alien 3...BUT

alien 3 for me is as good as the previous two. the directors cut is superb, absolutely love the film.

ahh... the "Egg" thing.... yes, that one is a bit hard to explain. Actually there is no sound explanation for it except that the director/screenwriter made it so. I never saw the extended cut with the cow in it. have to take a look.

@ David 1, AH HA, i have the answer to the eggs on the Sulaco mystery... Predators sneaked on board and plated 'em there! And you didn't see them coz they were cloaked, lol.

That alternate scene with the Ox/Buffalos is Great. Fincher should have gone with that, instead of the Dog! And the Alien that came out could have been a Big Fat Monstrosity, complete with Horns. lol

It wasn't Fincher that went with the dog concept, that was David Gilers reshooting and changing all of Finchers work

I agree the start was clunky, I never saw the Alien queen carrying an egg either after the ovapositor was destroyed previously much less stash it somewhere in the ship before fighting Ripley (which seemed to happen almost immediately after she reveals herself). I love the movie (both versions) though. I think one of the only other ways they could have had an alien on the EEV would have been say Newt being implanted with an embryo prior to the colonial marines' arrival on LV-426 and it bursting out but having a child with an alien would I think probably have been too hardcore.

Oh David Giler did it. I'll let him off, it is David Giler after all. The only explination for that Egg being there is that, there must have been somebody else on the Sulaco, an unseen Weyland Yutani Employee, who was onboard as a Backup, should Burke have problems. But for that to work, the Queen must have sqeezed another Egg out, on the Drop Ship?

@ Necronom 4, [i]Oh David Giler did it. I'll let him off, it is David Giler after all.[/i] Seriously, I mean seriously, Watch the original version of the scene where the "bambi-burster" bursts out of the ox before scuttling away. Then watch the theatrical version with the dog... - The hole in the dogs side is the size a normal chestbuster would make. - Yet the burster, taking from the ox version, is as big if not bigger than the dog. And don't get me started on David Giler, he's a two face, back stabbing, hack - have you seen any of his own films, they're all worse than AVPR.

Also, that unseen Weyland Yutani Employee, must have been an Android, probably another ASH. Because if it was a Human that carried the Egg from the Drop Ship to the Cryo Sleep room, then surely that Human would have been FaceHugged?

Snorks: lolololol. But you really took it bad haven't you? I know you love preds man, I do to [the original movies that is]. P.S.: AVP is NOT Canon

I personally think, 3 was made just for the sake of it. I mean the franchise was going nowhere. You don't see any chain with which movie evolves for next part. However, in Resurrection, Weyland manages to clone and do hybrid aliens. I wonder how can they explain that when queen was killed with ripely. Anyway, too much speculation in between in these two parts. And doesn't excite me like 1&2.

Actually David1 I'm a much bigger Alien fan than I am of the Predators, I just think a bigger universe with more possibilities is better than a small universe with limited possibilities. P.S. In Your Opinion AVP is NOT Canon. @ Necronom 4, People have postulated that very possibility but with no evidence in the movies to back it up we can't say yes or no. BTW the whole "Eggs on the Sulaco" idea was yet another of David Gilers needless additions.

@Snorks. I see what you mean about the Bambi thing. I didn't know that about Giler, i must do some research lol. But i did think that the scene with the Buffalo's pulling in the escape pod, was Good. I also like the way it exits the Buffalo/Ox. I just don't like the way it walks off, like Bambi!

I like my theory. The thought of another ASH being onboard the Sulaco, hidden away, unseen.

[quote]I just think a bigger universe with more possibilities is better than a small universe with limited possibilities.[/quote] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amen.

The problems with Alien 3 are many so I'll summarise, 1. David Giler agreed to produce Alien 3 with a set release date, despite having no contracts, no script and no director. 2. Despite having a set deadline, Giler turned down three promising screenplays from Ren Harlin (Die Hard 2), David Thowy (Riddick) and Vincent Ward. 3. With a fast approaching deadline Giler contracted David Fincher to write the script and direct the movie, incorporating the existing cast and sets, with a cinematography that suffered from parkinsons. Remember, this was Finchers first ever film. 4. After Fincher had finished priicipal photography, Giler reshot most of the core scenes, despite being a few months away from release. As with Prometheus, Alien 3 should have been greenlit AFTER a viable screenplay had been composed, and Giler should have been told to stay put in the producers chair. Alien and Aliens were both successes, so too should Alien 3 have been, but because of david Giler and his incestant meddling we got a sub par sequel forever overshadowed by its predecessors. @ Necronnom 4 - the way the bambi burster scuttles off was taken from test footage. @ Sky - the USM cloned Ripley, not Weyland. But thanks for the support.

@Snorks. I respect David Fincher for the fact that he only had a small amount of time to compose a Screen Play for Alien 3, that wasn't as bad as some people make out and the fact that it was his First Film and he did such an Amazing job, with what little time he had, makes me respect him even more. It was certainly not on par with Alien! But it was far better than Alien Reserection!

I see I am already fading away from the franchise slowly :D One more thing is that the set of prison or outcast people makes it really odd for the Alien theme. I mean 1, 2 and 4 have the trapped crew member style and then this one suddenly gets nowhere with different setting.

@ Necronom 4, A screenplay that David Giler forced him to constantly rewrite, and scenes that David Giler forced him to constantly reshoot. The way Giler has treated Dan O'Bannon, Ronald Shussett, Ridley Scott, James Cameron and David Fincher is beyond reproach - never mind the fact that the only reason the guy owns the production rights to the Alien Universe is because he added Ash and the whole "corporate conspiracy" into O'Bannons screenplay, which despite some fans praise was an overused idea at the time (Rollerball, Soylent Green, Westworld etc.)

I hate Alien Reserection for a number of reasons. But the main reason is that they prolonged Ripley's suffering. They should have just let her rest in peace. But money is King.

I think she's a good actress and somehow connected with the alien species due to her lead role. So it's hard to see Alien series without her. I mean people hated AVP because she wasn't there.

The idea, the theme, the principal behind Alien Resurrection (as is the case with AVP and AVPR) is sound, the problem is the approach taken by the directors hired... - Alien Resurrection - A self parody monster movie - AVP - WWE monster movie - AVPR - Teen slasher monster movie that is why these films are hated, because they are bad films. Had the writers and directors stayed true to the source material and the ideas they were trying to convey there would have been much less hate for the above films. The problem is that despite its majorly troubled production and the sub-par on screens results, Alien 3 made money - which made David Giler realise that as long as the movies had Aliens in them the films would generate cash because we the fans would watch them.

@Snorks. I get what you're saying. I think. But you could say the same for Ridley with Alien and Cameron with Aliens. The way you judge whether or not it is PURELY a money making product is by the lack of imagination and giving in to popular demand, like with Alien Reserrection and the AvP monstrosities. I really don't think that Alien 3 was purely a Money making product. I can see the artistic expression in it.

i cant find anything i like about that movie at all, i absolutely hate it and pretend it never happened. although, i did like the shaved head on ripley, many people don't have the right head shape to pull that off. ive shaved my head before so nice to see another fellow woman take the plunge ^_^

@belladonna. Why do you hate Alien 3? and do you like Alien Reserrection?

i didnt like the setting, the plot, the characters, the alien and its effects. i also felt that they ruined the ending to aliens. i read that hicks was supposed to survive and the story was supposed to follow him instead of ripley, that would have been interesting. even sigourney said they should "let the poor woman die already" in so many words. [img]http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee388/Fred4949/Beating-a-dead-horse.gif[/img] so basically, i didn't like a single thing about it. but i am not a turd and tell other people they cant like it, or that it IS a BAD movie. i love many movies most people consider to be REALLY bad and i don't like when people argue with me about it, we all get our own opinion :)

Snorks: Yes Sir. Sky: ... as long it doens't have predators in it.

@belladonna. If you're suggesting that i was argueing with you about it, i'm sorry, but i wasn't, i was just asking a question! I think the Characters are not very likable, we don't have any Empathy with them because they are Murderers and rapists. But it adds to the Tension and Nightmare that Ripley is going through! The Acting is very good btw. There are some very respected British actors in it, who did a fantastic job, with what they had to work with! I agree about the Alien though.

i don't make suggestions, if i thought you were arguing with me i would have said so, goofball. :) true. i just foudn it odd i didnt like anyone! especially since i love freddy kreugar, pinhead, and other such murderus "bad guy" characters. speaking of freddy.....i didn't care for the set, i thought it looked like an old nightmare on elm street set that was left over. glad we agree on the alien! it was too early for CGI i think, looked pretty shabby. but i am a huge fan of puppets and costumes so i am pretty biased about that. i didnt care for alien res either :/ but i did see that they tried and tested people in suits in the water and they couldn't swim right so they had to use digital. i hate digital but its better then someone in a costume drowning! safer is better obviously. i could go off on res too. one of the only things i liked was the "father" ship. i always thought it was extremely sexist for men to always call an object female. like a gun or a boat, so on. we never hear an object called "he", i loved that and wish it was done more to make ur genders more equal. personally i call objects "it" no matter what it is. a ship is a ship damn it, it isnt a lady! lol n i HATED the newborn alien. the nose bugged me and its weird droopy boobs.. then it has that freaky vagina looking thing starting from its crotch up to its belly. i would have loved to help design a newborn for them, but i was a kid in school then so i don't think they would have asked for my help lol.

@belladonna. Us men name our Cars and Boats after women in an affectionate way, because we love that Car or boat. Not because we are being sexist. Well, i'm obviously commenting on behalf of most Blokes anyway Lol.