Space Jockeys are Engineers?

The Space Jockey was to be 26ft Tall.... the use of Child Actors was to create the Illusion but only really gave a 21ft tall one. (based on 4.5ft Children to size of Jocky Prop 15ft)

The Actual Prop was 16-17ft Long... which the Space Jocky Sat inside, and when also working out ratio of body parts on the Space Jockey to a Human would also then give us about a 15ft tall Space Jockey the Space Jockey itself was 13-15ft

which is why for Prometheus... which started with Spaights Drafts they had tried to show the Engineer and Space Jockey are the same a 15ft Humanoid Race

Lindeloffs draft they was 12ft...

Realising they could not pull this off, they intended the LV-223 Engineers to be 9-10ft Tall.... but using 7ft Actors in Booster Boots and Space Jockey suit we actually ended up with about 7.5ft Tall Engineers.

But we was not supposed to consider that, we was supposed to be led to believe they was 9-10ft tall

So if we go with that Concept... then the Engineers are 9-10ft tall and Space Jockey say 15ft, but this difference would only be the same as a Average Human to a 9ft Tall Human and so like the Photo posted of Robert Wadlow  if we look at the Photo and Imagine the Man with Wadlow is our Engineer and Wadlow is the Space Jockey but they are the same Race.

But its has i have said Prometheus was hinting at connections to Bible and Greek Mythos and Ridley said he never wanted to meet God in the first movie which is why the Elders Scene was removed.

This means that they could be changing the Role of the Engineers compared to what they was in the Drafts.

So we have God/Angels we have Titans/Olympians  and even in Sumerian Fables we had the Anunnaki/Igigi

And so yes there was Two different Castes to the above...   we then had Humans created in the same Image... and also Giants in those Myths and Religions too.

And so the Space Jockey could be any one of those parts of the Hierarchy  and that Hierarchy  does not have to be  Engineers Creators ==>Engineers ==>Mankind

It could have a order prior to the Engineers Creators or the Engineers are just one sub creation of their creators.

I think having such sub creations and a Hierarchy of beings could be a ideal way to explain the Space Jockey.... if we go by the Greek Mythos then the Space Jockey could be a Titan and the Engineers Olympians or vice versa

Necronom 4.... My Dad brought me and my brother the Attachments for Christmas once but not the Figures lol

So he modified some of my other Action Figures so they would attach to them lol

@BigDave; That's fantastic! You're dad must be a very talented guy to do that!

I just want to pick up on something though.

"Realising they could not pull this off, they intended the LV-223 Engineers to be 9-10ft Tall...." - BigDave.

Absolutely! I think Ridley didn't see the importance in respecting scale. He has a history of avoiding such things in favour of showing what is important to him. 

However, one of the most important elements to us fans, regarding the original space jockey, is the huge size of the thing (26 feet according to legend).

It's alway's been one of the main topics of debate amongst the cult followers and it is VERY important to us!

After all, that's one of the first things that's noticeable when we first come across the Jockey in ALIEN.

It's important because it's one of the elements which makes us think 'WOW! That thing must be huge!'

It's one of the elements which makes it AWE INSPIRING.

Ridley failed to see the value in that and that's what really bothers me. He was too focussed on trying to give us an explination of who the space jockey race are and what they do, that he neglected the basic (but very important to us) ELEMENTS that gave us a feeling of AWE and a sense of the UNKNOWN in the pursuit of giving us HIS vision of the Space Jockey.

Of course, when any artist, whether a Painter, Music maker, author or filmmaker creates their work, it is their vision. And that's the way it should be! You shouldn't set out to create your work with the intention to please everyone, otherwise it will wind up being something that hardly anybody likes.

However, you should always make an effort to respect the original elements IMO.

Agreed and Ridley did say before he makes his movies for himself and does not care if fans dislike what he has done...

So it will be interesting to see how Much influence he allows Fox over the project.

It does seem we was being sent down a path to cover the Engineers and what other related races/beings are connected to them... i wander how much is now to be toned down.

here is my take:

Space Jockey is akin from the Space Guild space weaver from DUNE, meaning they don't ever leave the chair maybe even the ship. 

Maybe the derelict was like a tug/pilot boat that latches on to much larger craft like a skull ship where that ship docks taking command. Perhaps the SJs ships fuse for a time to act like the head and SJ are the brain.

The Engineers are just that engineers they create some create life and other work to destroy or change it.

I like the two being brother species that were created from the same stock then manipulated for separate tasks and castes. SJs became the Gorillas and the Engineers the Chimpanzees while their creator would view them merely as tools.  A mirror of humans influence on the dog.

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Now that I think of it Dune is in the far future so maybe the Guild Navigators are human space jockeys....

Maybe the Engineers are/were secretly envious of the Space Jockeys and had modelled THIER entire civilization upon them?

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It could explain why they are not quite the same height, weight, demeanour, ect.

A dead dude in a chair has a "demeanour"?

I can see it. But he's not nearly as smug as the head on the table.

lol

FACEHUGGERS! - Perhaps what we are seeing in the original Alien is something relatable to the "Egg Morphing" process? Perhaps the Engineer is being altered by the creature within his form - causing his body and suit to meld with his navigation assembly? :)

S.M. I was referring to the Engineers demeanour, i.e: their height, weight, the Engineers have a presence, I'm certain that when the Space Jockey was at maximum height, weight, "DEMEANOR" it conveyed a sense of authority. 

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FACEHUGGERS - Hahaha! Thank you for the kind words! :)

This is a fun topic, thank you for posting! It's funny how the Engineer's head looks like an oyster in the shell. 

But not a boisterous oyster. That's the MORB, or, in Latin, Macerator Oysterlips.

But I digress. I've long held that the Engineers are a practical invention of the Space Jockeys, just as David is to humans. Possibly with the sole purpose of handling the Liquid, and it's offspring.

And at some point they learned to harness it, kind of. Much as Weyland would, if only. Discovered a way to reproduce outside of a Space Jockey factory (man/woman) and started seeding planets in secret, creating a race. While at the same time, turning the dark side of their findings against their masters.

This is my personal fantasy about the clues so far, who knows what's really gonna happen. Guilty as charged, your honor!

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I'm hoping we get more information on the Jockeys/Engineers. They are definitely an interesting group that we still know little about.