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Important reading: Everything that explains \'Alien\' and it\'s connection to \'Prometheus\'.

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I am asking the senior members to post links to any media that explains the relation ship between alien , alien DC to prometheus. The star beast script to lovecraft literature etc and also what basic concepts ie canon that needs to be understood prior to reading posts on this forum. Please add anything that you might consider necessary. Please assist. Thank you I will also use this thread to keep record for myself of anything I might find interesting. You see in the passage of time who will remember the spiders web next to the holographic console etc. I just read today about a scene where Dallas and Ripley got sexual in the lifeboat. Never even heard of that before and I believe there are many thousand of fans out there who hasn't either. I highly recommend reading the Weyland Yutani archives and xeno alpha 07 s blog over there . I still have a long way to go !! Enjoy !!!
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I forgot to mention that I believe that the engineers created the ampules as replacements for the eggs as to prevent the happenings of the juggernaut on lv 426. Safer way to transport and easier to drop. I believe the xeno in the mural in the ampule room is not a deacon but a xeno very close to the one in alien.

I apologise because there is no dude standing behind the crucified xeno. I still believe that there is a creature behind the crucified xeno. It may be a depiction of the engineer god as a bio mechanical representation of the being/beings that created the elders/super elders. 

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Links to confirmed scripts.

This is very important : Anyone who hasn't read the confirmed Alien Engineers draft from Spaihts Please do so ! As well as the confirmed Lindeloff draft If you haven't done so then you are seriously missing out.

It’s interesting that Fox wanted the script removed from this blog. It does reveal a lot about the initial intent by both writers. It seems a lot of chopping and changing was done at the last moment to really the make the movie over ambiguous. I think Fox wanted it that way. Lindelof’s draft wasn't that ambiguous. Here are the link to two threads I started with regards to the scripts:

This one asks how many scripts were released (Fake or otherwise)

 

And here I ask a few questions regarding the two confirmed scripts

The two things that now really bug me is that in both of these scripts the engineers are 12 - 15 feet tall and that there were no evil laughter in them. It seems that Prometheus really was butchered and many parts and showed out of sequence as it was originally was intended for.

I would kill to know whose decision it was to make the engineers 8- 9 feet tall in Prometheus?? Why was that done??? I think it was done on purpose. How much more would the movie have cost if they had to create engineers 15 feet tall???

I think a lot things were thrown in at the last moment to make the movie over ambiguous. Still I love Prometheus and it must remain. But I now doubt we will see a movie that has extended deleted scenes that will provide answers .

If they remake it could probably happen.

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So finally I guess I will have to do a lot of rewriting on my theories but now I can lay Prometheus to rest as I finally understand the true nature of the movie as in why it was made the way it was.

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Yes it is obvious then that they made many scenes fit even if they did not work so well. I still love Prometheus. But why did they not find a way to bypass that - like cgi if only for a few scenes?? I mean why change the sj size to such a degree that it really begs the question is this in the same universe or are they just doing this on purpose to create more confusion??

Another example is the helmet removal scenes.

In Lindelof’s draft the only time they removed their helmets was when Weyland arrived in the juggernauts cargo hold. They changed this in Prometheus and then releases an info file saying the black goo is also an airborne pathogen.

Same with the deacon mural.

All of this was just added to create more confusion and mystery and I am not so sure that they really have answers for those.

Because god knows I have racked my brains trying to find answers to the mysteries.

Prometheus is a mixture of the two confirmed scripts and seemingly a lot of very late changes coming in. I think they deliberately wanted to create uncertainty as whether  was actually in the same universe as alien. And accordingly the script changes and they throw a whole lot stuff in there at the end. I am not saying it’s bad it does show you that that is exactly what they (fox) wanted - controversy (because of uncertainty and over ambiguity).

If Spaihts draft was the one that Ridley wanted after many changes were made by Ridley then that shows that Ridley wanted to tell the story of the xeno and where they came from (squid like face huggers weaponised to become the traditional face hugger producing the xeno). He answered that. The engineers seeded mankind and wanted to punish them for exactly what I don't understand. So this draft shows what Ridley initially had in mind as he wanted there to be 8 different of eggs. In this script David indicates to Shaw that there is 8 stasis fields and that each field contains slightly different eggs. That's why I think this a draft from Spaihts after Ridley told him to make changes. So Ridley wad telling the engineer story and xeno story. Right?? But it simply wasn't ambiguous enough and would kill the mystery of the space jockey and the origins of the xeno. This is wanted Ridley wanted to tell. And in the process destroy what caused the franchise to be such a success. Therefore I am on no doubt that Fox stepped in said no. Because I think Ridley wanted to finish it but was not allowed to. I don't think he had any say in the matter.

So the ambiguity and changes in the Lindeloff script I believe was intended and as the filming began to finish Ridley saw that there still was too many clues given that fox probably wouldn't agree to it. So they really made it too ambiguous to protect the mysteries of the franchise. It seems than that the origins of the xeno as Ridley wanted to tell it was from squid like face huggers that was weaponised by the engineers. I believe that is why Fox asked Chris to remove the Spaihts draft as it really showed the story Ridley wanted to tell. He never moved away from the engineers he simply explained how the two met.

Maybe the engineers found the squid like face huggers thousands of years before and it doesn't mean that the xeno we know may have been around for a long time but this does show how they came to be. Maybe the stasis field of the juggernaut simply malfunctioned and a face hugger that was maybe able to go through thin crevices or underneath doors as it was the case for the squid like face hugger (of which the chestburster itself could squeeze through very tight spaces) and maybe that's how the engineer on lv 426 got face hugged. During flight a face hugger closer to the original squid like face hugger got loose - squeezed his way through the crevices and when the engineer went to investigate got him when he returned. He landed and then got chest busted and the resultant creature simply melted his way through the floor and maybe got trapped and simply excreted acid to melt the metal and disappeared below. Maybe that how he got inside the suit by simply melting and his way into the suit??

I think Ridley has given us the answers because he knows he is getting old. But Fox knew the damage that would have done to the cash making ability. Well that's what I choose to believe.

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Posted: 18 May 2015

 

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/07/21/gods-monsters/

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“Their civilisation is millions of years old. Once, the Engineers expressed themselves as humans do, taking pleasure in music, colour and story, but they’ve long learned to see in more dimensions than we do. Their art and ornament exist on planes imperceptible to human senses. Their constructions look dark and grim to us; but the Engineers’ eyes see far more than our own. Individual Engineers live for a hundred thousand years. Ages ago their race abandoned sex and gender, reproducing by more abstract methods. In recent millenia they have ceased to reproduce altogether.”
~ Jon Spaihts’ “Alien Master Narrative”, script notes.

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So finally getting your hands on the shooting script will probably explain a lot of things. As to where the evil laughter came when the engineer sacrificed himself........
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I dont recall any evil laughter? All i see is moans of the Engineer as he consumes the substance and its broken down by it..

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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Bigdave When the engineer consumes the goo to sacrifice himself I can quite clearly hear evil laughter in the background or maybe you can confirm it for me ? I don t have a copy of p1 with me at the moment !!!!!!!
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Record keeping [Url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/28315&page=1]I want to link this thread here because the relevance of the 8 different kinds of eggs and also what the xeno evolded into and why[/url]
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[Url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/23187]This asks about evil laughter[url] [Url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/22849]And also this one[/url] [Url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/28421] This thread I started confirms there was no evil laughter as the sacrificial engineer breaks up[/url] [Url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/28420]And this thread I started confirms that there was no dude standing behind the crucified deacon[/url] This obviously means that some of my theories are wrong . Will reconsider.
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Here's the info file released by Fox .

 Here's the link to a high quality copy

 

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This image shows the engineer watching Shaw through the window in the lifeboat door while she is inside . 

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This is an image showing the different colours of the sack inside the ampule that david opens. There is a striking simularity between the green fluid and the green crystal in the ampule room.

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@oduodu The infamous Fox File... Where everything it points to is basically shown to not occur in the movie, i mean near every aspect lol... Mind u it says Translation 4.7% etc..... so guess there is margin for Error in their data lol.... Would you consume a new trial drug, if trug company said well our translation suggests their is only 4.7% chance there will be no side effects.....

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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They really wanted to use uncertainty as to whether David was lying when he said that it was safe to take off their helmets in jugg. Shaw is the only surviving member who was present in he ampule room when they went to fetch the 2 stooges which would imply she would have to start mutating while she is on the jugg with David but then maybe all the injections she got killed the virus ......will she become a xeno on her way to Sagitarius's Arm???

http://i.imgur.com/BhofHxh.jpg

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Posted: 18 May 2015

 

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/07/21/gods-monsters/

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“When Shaw and Holloway conceived the mission, their expectation was they would discover a benevolent species that might provide answers to some of our greatest mysteries. In other words, they were hoping to meet gods. But these beings prove to be anything but compassionate. They are a dangerous race of superbeings.”
~ Michael Ellenberg (executive producer), screenslam, 2012.

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The engineers are dangerous 

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http://www.weyland-yutani-archives.com/archive/1068

This article explains what Ash did with the dead facehugger. Perhaps where Cameron got his idea for the medlab scene with the facehuggers in the tubes ?

http://www.weyland-yutani-archives.com/archive/1052

Interesting comments from O' Bannon on the Alien series and Cameron's direction of Aliens

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The above storyboard comes from http://www.weyland-yutani-archives.com/archive/1131 .

Thanks xeno alpha 07

I have always been irritated in Alien that Ash was constantly trying to keep everyone away from Kane deliberately? I always felt Ash knew exactly what was going on. This articles hints that they wanted to shoot the above scene but didn’t. It does indicate that the writers thought was regarding Ash’s intentions. I also remember a scene where in Alien Directors Cut where Ash switches off a monitor just as the derelict comes into view from the crew helmet videos as if he didn’t want anyone to see and stop the crew from going in.

I also think this is where Cameron's idea for Burke switching of the monitor that showed Ripley and Newt trying to get out of the infirmary, came form.

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http://www.weyland-yutani-archives.com/archive/1130

 

From this article you get from where the idea for the many acid burn holes at Hadley's Hope may have come from.

 

And also in Prometheus the idea for the urns being stacked to the top of the ceiling of the jugg as well as David's touching of the black goo.

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