David Did Not Create the Xenomorph (Part 2)

Let's be honest here,

Each of us has our own beliefs as to whether or not David created the Xenomorph, and being the rabid fans we are can pull up multiple pieces of evidence to support our case. Yes, that is essentially the whole point of a debate, but in all honesty, we could do this forever; bouncing facts back and forth in support of or against Chli's opening post. The truth is there is no truth - the Alien franchise, is narratively and in terms of continuity a convoluted mess of mystery, inference, intent, contradiction, and ambiguity, that could with the next movie be taken in any direction; as Alien: Covenant proved.

I personally feel a bit way to debate this topic, rather than going round in circles with endless facts, would be to state our belief and the reason why we believe what we believe, not in terms of evidence but more in terms of what purpose it would serve the franchise.

For example, I prefer to believe that David did not create the Alien and that it was created by another party because to make David the creatures creator makes us the center of the universe in a franchise called "Alien".

For me, the alien has always carried with it three connotations...

#1 - One of the overwhelming dark, empty, remorseless nature of space.

#2 - One of the cycles of birth, death, rebirth, and creation.

#3 - And one of fear of the dark, the unknown and the unseen.

To me, David being the creator of the Alien negates the connotations #1 and #3, while taking the franchise away from Dan O'Bannon and H. R. Giger's vision.

Do not get me wrong, I am not a supporter of David being the creator of xenomorph. Until recently I believed that David only created his own variant of xenomorph by reverse engineering the Engineers xenomorph. So I accepted everything that backed up this theory. This was after Covenant, because after Prometheus I could not even imagine that David could play such a role.

It was only after I discovered the Giler script for Alien when I started to consider this possibility, because, as BigDave put it, "the Red Cylinder Draft is basically the ALIEN we got" save for the alien origin of the Pilot, derelict and the beast.

With the route taken by Covenant we kind of return to Giler script, where the beast is a bioweapon produced by the Company and the pilot is humanoid (still alien, though, but maybe it will be revealed that it belongs to an advanced ancient civilization that left the Earth millennia ago - I have a theory that the planet seeded at the beginning of Prometheus is planet 4, because of the sculptured heads on the mountains from planet 4).

So I don't try to argue or impose my theories, I just want to understand what is going on, so I share my thoughts here with you.

Under these circumstances they can tell us next that the derelict and the Space Jockey are not thousands of years old, but they look like that due to harsh environment from LV426.

I wonder now if this was the plan even from the time of Prometheus. Remember the discoid ship that brought the sacrificing Engineer and that was not seen afterwards? Could be a ship of an advanced civilization from Earth that was terraforming,  building better worlds, belonging to an ancient equivalent of Weyland-Yutani. Ridley Scott said is not necessarily the Earth that was seeded, it could be any planet. 

The Engineers are not Gods  The Engineers from planet 4 are the originals. The Engineers returned to Earth in our antiquity and tried to influence the ancient humans in the right direction. They pointed to the sky showing their new home, to LV223 said Prometheus, but planet 4 was not far away, so that could be accepted as a misunderstanding by our ancestors or as a defense strategy, if you come this far go to our military outpost so we can stop you - planet 4 is "camouflaged" and undetectable by future Earth scanners.  Ridley Scott wanted to tell another story using the Alien universe as a canvas.

"I always think about how often we attribute what has happened to either our invention or memory. A lot of ideas evolve from past histories, but when you look so far back, you wonder, Really? Is there really a connection there?” (Ridley Scott)

Answering to a question if Jesus Christ might have been "alien" Ridley Scott replied, explaining as well why they tried to wipe out the Earth:

"We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an “our children are misbehaving down there” scenario, there are moments where it looks like we’ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, “Lets’ send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him. "

What do you think of this theory?

Are we alone in the universe?

Chli:

“I think Gavin has a good point when he says that the Alien Universe would shrink and become less frightening and less open if the Engineers engineered the xenomorph.“ (20190417)

What if they make the Engineers scary as F and let the Xeno be something that they found and developed from there? If that was well done and we do not get the whole explanation of how the Xeno came to be like only showing us A and D in a chain of A-B-C-D then it could work to me at least because then there is some mystery left but that no one should touch that so there is something to debate because that is some of the fun of it. This could be a possibility but you need good writers. What if we are given clues maybe less vague than they were in Prometheus and leave a lot of it untold? This is something that I can accept, more so than the idea of David creating it. I don’t think that this would contradict your idea of universes with different creatures and so on, I actually think that your suggestion of many systems seems interesting.

As far as the expanded universe is concerned I can not comment since I don’t really care about that. I am an Alien-movie guy not an alien-verse (things that are not movies) kind of person that likes to dig deep into things that are not about the movies.

“I don’t see the xenomorphs as intelligent enough to have an abstract agenda, more like ants.”

Maybe their goal is to reproduce and survive, as simple as that? I have don’t see them as overly intelligent life-forms although with some intelligence but perhaps that is scary enough.

BD:

“i have concerns if the Franchise Expands by giving us this Xenomorph that Spreads itself across the Galaxy, and in return we just diminish the Engineers and what the Prequels had opened up.”

I am not so sure if that would need to be the case though. You have often compared the Xeno to WMD’s, what if that is like an WMD that gets out of control or like a bacteria that has been grown for a purpose that spreads and infects things. This could be fitting in way and also it is something that a foreign life-form (Engineers?) have made that is not created by something that the humans created (androids), I would be more accepting to that compared to David being the creator of the monster.

As far as the Engineers are concerned right now it is more about David so if that would tear down the David creating it thing and make it more alien again then I am for it. It could spread to some places that would also be better because I think that there might be other places that the Engineers have seeded with life where it didn’t get right so they have used warfare on that also. Who is to say that earth is the only place? Maybe they have succeeded to keep those other worlds in check?

Sure it could be the way that you are concerned about but it doesn’t have to be the case though.

“I think to downgrade the Engineers/Space Jockey and to Emphasis the Franchise on Queens and Eggs is going to be a bit limiting...”

Yeah and I also wish that they would have covered the Engineers more but I would prefer it being about the Engineers and how they are related to the Xenos than about David. What you need I think is a better connection between those two, something that Prometheus failed to do no matter who is to blame for it. If we get a movie that is more about the Engineers and how the Xenos/monsters are connected to them fine but no more robot movies though.

Thoughts_Dreams

I am an Alien-movie guy not an alien-verse (things that are not movies) kind of person that likes to dig deep into things that are not about the movies.

However, I recommend you read the book "The Cold Forge". It's the masterpiece!

Leto: I have heard about it at a podcast (Perfect organism podcast) but I have not read it. I try to keep an open mind to things like that so thanks.

"Each of us has our own beliefs as to whether or not David created the Xenomorph"

Certainly and some of us are not quite giving our beliefs, but pointing out what seems to be indicated, i would say our beliefs for those who point out the potential that David created the Xenomorph is not our personal wish... i would say many of us are suspending our belief.. because what a BAD idea it was ;)

You continue with this... "because to make David the creatures creator makes us the center of the universe in a franchise called "Alien"."

Again i would say most would agree with this... the David Creates it, Leaves it for the Company to come along and Obtain it, combined with the Engineers/Engineers City on Planet 4, take the Franchise so FAR away from what was ALIEN about that WHOLE scene of the  Derelict and its Contents!

"I have a theory that the planet seeded at the beginning of Prometheus is planet 4, because of the sculptured heads on the mountains from planet 4"

Certainly.... but if i comment in this.. well my Keyboard would break ;)

I think Movies can Change... and the Plots are changed, then only Concrete stuff shown Chronologically cant really be changed... everything else is Fair Game.

So the Prequels by their Vague Nature is Ripe for the Pickings....

For instance...... HOW does the Sacrificial Scene 100% prove this is how Mankind was created? or that it was on Earth?    The Engineers are Genetic Gardeners, they do Predate us (we can assume) and their DNA is similar!

Planet 4 Engineers look different to Prometheus ones... slightly.  The Sacrificial Scene could have taken place on Planet 4 to Create those beings on Planet 4, and  Mankind then came from them..... 

Ridley Scott said those Planet 4 Engineers are the ORIGINALS.... so this means the LV-223 are NOT the Originals and the Planet 4 Engineers Predate them...

However... the Sacrificial Engineer looks more like the LV-223 Engineers than Planet 4, so does that mean the Planet 4 Engineers Predate the Sacrificial Engineer?

LV-223 Engineers are a match to us.... but then we could be a match to the Planet 4 Engineers too, there is NO reason that the Planet 4 Engineers are our Ancestors, somehow and that the Prometheus Engineers had Evolved or Upgraded themselves to become what they was... while still having same DNA they Augmented their Genomes.

There is NEVER given any Date for the Sacrificial Scene or Location as far as if you ONLY watch the Movie and IGNORE everything else....   So if we look at this, then the Scene does-not have to be Earth, it could be another Earth-like World, and it does-not have to be Hundreds/Tens Thousands of Years ago! (Yet Older)

We just see a Engineer (looks more like the LV-223 Engineers who are predated by the Planet 4 ones if we accept what RS said).  He consumes the Goo (if we accept Alien Covenants explanation well Davids).  His Body Breaks down, and then his DNA Falls Apart and turns Black and then Reforms... and NEW Life begins (we only see the Basic Cells).

Look at Davids Comments "sometimes to create one must first destroy" and the Murals/Frescos in a different light, and what we see the Black Goo do...

Then we could then consider the Sacrificial Scene was a Later Version Engineer who Sacrificed himself, with the Black Goo to Create Horrors related to the Substance.

We could then assume that the Engineers or some had came across or stolen the Black Goo or some other way they obtained it, and it was used to Create Such Horrors as we see in terms of Prometheus and Alien Covenant... but also they could have used it to UPGRADE themselves too.  Or they came across something they used the Goo on, to attempt to Evolve themselves, and this worked, but as a Off-Shoot one experiment Produces something Else and the Engineers are like WOW! and they Worship this, and they use the Goo/This as the Basis to Evolve Worlds because they Worshiped the Perfection they saw in this..

So this shows that by taking what we see ALONE in the Movies and Cherry Pick certain things as we choose and apply it to the Movies we can MUSTER up another Plot, that could then sound Plausible.

The Plot i mention would make more sense if those Prometheus Engineers are a Creation the Planet 4 Engineers made for a similar purpose that the Tyrell Corp had Produced Replicants...    Prometheus Engineers are Augmented with the use of Something, in Hindsight the Playing with FIRE had lead to the Horrors on LV-223 and Rebellion of those LV-223 Engineers... or just that the Horrors Created by Augmenting themselves too much.

We dont even have to have the Engineers Create those LV-223 beings, they could be shown that some Engineers had Augmented themselves, for a purpose, but then they became so obsessed with this that they took it to the NEXT stage and then become obsessed with that, and Worship it.

Depending what we use for our ideas, and wants, can alter what we get...  Its ONLY if you go by what say Ridley Scott says that we are then put on a Certain Track... but then RS ideas at one time, change to something else at another time too.

"What do you think of this theory?

Are we alone in the universe?"

Some interesting comments.... i will concentrate on this one above though....    We have Humans on Earth, and Engineers on Planet 4 who also had been to LV-223

I think the Scope was BEYOND that, there could be Hundreds, Thousands of Worlds the Engineers had explored, and also how many other Humanoids had they created?  Potential is HUGE... by Virtue of Engineer Ships having Maps on their Navigation Systems to other Galaxies.

"Who is to say that earth is the only place? Maybe they have succeeded to keep those other worlds in check?"

Another quote that fits with what i am saying... 

Lets look at GOD... he created Mankind, but he also unleashed a lot of WHOOP-ASS for when we have FAILED to keep in Check!   If GOD exists and he created the Earth so Easy.... then why would he just not go "you know what, i am done, i will Destroy the Earth to a Grains of Sand and just Create another Earth and Start Again"

But he had Saved Mankind via Noah during the Flood...

If we take that in context to the Engineers, and we assume they are the Gods, well our Creators, then they DID-NOT create us as Easy as GOD did....  a Lot of Time and Effort must have gone into our Creation...  

So when we start to miss behave and they send Emissaries and we still dont get back in Check!  Then WHY would they Destroy us... because its Knowledge that is WHY we are not kept in Check... The Free-Will of David is what makes him NOT in Check compared to Walter.

How do you keep in Check David Models?  Create New.. or just Replace the AI/Brain or Programing ;)

GOD chose Noah because he saw him as Righteous and Just, and that Noah would be as Adam was (before Adam was led astray by Eve, More to it than that but lets pass that) by that Noah would be Loyal to GOD and his Ways...

So Mankind was given a New Start, where we could then be taught via Noah the Will and Ways that GOD intended... (but we soon went back to our old ways).

My point?  It makes sense for the Engineers to take some Humans or Children to another Place to Raise again and hope this time they dont become Corrupt because every Child is Born Innocent, and they become what they do by how they are Raised and Knowledge they are given.

So it would make sense for the Engineers to take some of Mankind (Children) away to then allow for a NEW Eden on another place, rather than Destroy us all!  The Logical ONLY ways they would NOT do this would be.

They already had done it in the past and Populated Mankind on many Worlds.... prior to our FALL on Earth in the Eyes of the Engineers.

Mankind had came from another Place and the Earth was just ONE place we had been taken to. 

So yes the potential is there for Many Human Worlds, or Similar Races, and we could ponder that maybe some of them Kept in Check!

This is exactly what i was to cover in WHERE it was David and Dr Shaw end up... which was Many Thousands of Light Years from Earth... my ideas for my Prometheus 3 would had shown a World with Engineers and Humans in Harmony but the Arrival of Dr Shaw and David poses problems for the Engineers due to what the other Humans had NOT been told about us or the Engineers.

This kind of Plot, is not FAR off what Raised by Wolves could be about, the ideas i mentioned above fit that Plot, and potentially could be similar to "what kind of world" David would Create!  He Hated Mankind due to how we are, but if he could Evolve those Embryos he could have his own Humanity who will be KIND to him.

Such Plots are a Distraction to what most fans would want the Franchise to be about, but we had to consider Prometheus was to STEER away from ALIEN...

I think in context to the comments i had take from daliens and Thoughts_Dreams  then YES the potential for their being more than THREE Worlds known to the Engineers, and ONE world for Humans is GREAT..

Many Worlds, Many Races, include those above the Engineers, but also Many Horrors too.

Such Scope... that i feel Alien Covenant had SHRUNK and the Alien Franchise is limited, if its just about Eggs and Weyland-Yutani you have to expand beyond that Eventually and Prometheus was a Good Starting Point.

The problem with Ridley's words, quotes, interviews, revelations, explanations, etc... - they are not on the screen. Everything that said Ridley, is not on the screen. So, no matter how much you want it - his words are not part of a canon or a lore of Alien-verse.

Now, a very small number of people search and read all these interviews. And these interviews can give completely different conclusions than what is shown on the screen. Ridley's words is not an addons to lore of the prequels, but completely another plot. The great Red Herring - what is this? The film or the interview?

Imagine: who after 30 years will look for all these interviews? Can the film exist without these interviews? Can it be independent?

"Imagine: who after 30 years will look for all these interviews?"

If Ridley Scott will not complete the prequels and all these mysteries will remain unsolved, probably some rabid fans like us will find the interviews, looking for answers.

"The problem with Ridley's words, quotes, interviews, revelations, explanations, etc... - they are not on the screen"

I think when discussing the Franchise and Interpreting it, then everyone is ENTITLED to come to their own Conclusions and their is a LOT of Cherry Picking...  I am someone who looks at all Evidence and i dont really get sucked into anything that has NO base to base any theory on...  But the Franchise is so Ambiguous that allows for many theories,  and i have said it a lot of times that DEPENDING what we take as Clues/Evidence can lead you to different conclusions.

So i think when looking at DRAFTS while they may offer some insight, we maybe have to only CONSIDER what the Drafts have that have made it to the Movies...

When Considering the Concepts again we maybe should only CONSIDER those that made it into any Movies.  Maybe we could consider Concepts that are almost identical to what was used in a Movie but maybe only if they were made for the Particular movie the likeness appears in.

When we are looking at Deleted Scenes its then a case of do we only CONSIDER what we are shown in the Movie and Throw Out the Deleted Scenes....

Do we CONSIDER any Directors Cut's and what happens if the Differences allow for some Questions/Conflicts to be raised? or do we IGNORE any Directors Cut, even though they are as the Director had intended and NOT a Cut they had to be Restricted to for the Box Office?

Do we have to CONSIDER the Viral Videos and Marketing, and DVD Extras or which of these SHOULD only be Considered?

Do we have to IGNORE any comments or interviews by other Production and Writing Staff, if these offer explanations to certain things?

Do we have to CONSIDER or IGNORE any Official Novel for the Movies or should these be taken as more FACT and accept the extra depth that they add to the Story that the Movie is Restricted to show due to Running Time Restraints?

I would CONSIDER any expanded Novel and Comic as something we SHOULD NOT edge all our bets on as far as using as Definite Evidence.

Then we come down to the Director....  they are the ONE who is Responsible for taking the Draft Story, for taking the Concept Work, working with Production to then decide which parts of the Story and Concepts are shown Visually on Screen..  Its the Director who GIVES us what we SEE on Screen.   They are the ONE who is given Paint Brush, the Musical Instruments to then Create what we END-UP with on Screen what we get so to speak.

So they are the ONE who know how the Story is Intended to FOLD out for the Movie they are working on, they are the ONE who knows how Visually things should be,  The Cutting Room does change a lot... but then any Director Interviews will talk about what is INTENDED after such Process.

Each New Movie can Change things that was laid down prior, and Each New Director has INSIGHT to what these Changes are meant to be and HOW they effect the Franchise.

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Depending on which of the above you choose to CONSIDER or IGNORE will take you to a certain conclusions and even if different people used the same Clues, they could still interpret them differently..

Then we have what you mention LETO... what ONLY is shown on Screen...  so by that do we limit it ONLY to the Movies?   When say any ALIEN movie is shown on TV then we HAVE none of the other Material to consider, if someone has NEVER seen any ALIEN movie or aware of anything, then they see ALL the Movies... is it what they have seen that we ULTIMATELY have to ONLY consider?

In that case then YES they would be drawn to a certain Path, that changes with each movie, where even after they see the Movies 5, 10 times each... Provided they have NO knowledge of anything else but whats ONLY shown in the Movie then many such people would STILL conclude different things.

My next REPLY will be me attempting to look at it from that angle as if i have NEVER seen the Movies and NEVER use any other source of material apart from say the Movies even if i saw them 10 times...    What i will write will still NOT be accepted by some, what i will write will NOT match some my theories.

I can then change things by Cherry Picking other information that is NOT in the Movies... but i will stick with what we ONLY see in the Movies....  then i make some assumptions based purely on that.

BigDave

In literary terms, sticking only to the text is called “New Criticism” (it’s not new any longer, though). This was opposed to going outside the text (historical, biographical criticism etc) in order to gather information about the author, the time, ideas, references to other literature etc. The idea with “New Criticism” was to only interpret what we read and not go outside the work in order to find clues about how to interpret things in it.

If we should apply this to movies, say Alien: Covenant, then we can’t get any help about interpreting the dialogue between Sir Peter Weyland and David from history or interviews with Ridley Scott. We can’t apply notions from religion or philosophy (terms like “rebellion”, “sin”, “hubris”, “creation”, “god”, “devil”, “hell”, “good and evil”, “free will” etc, etc). We have, e.g., the statue of David, the painting “The Nativity”, the opera “Das Rheingold” etc.

Perhaps it’s better not to restrict ourselves and see everything that can enrich our experience and deepen our interpretations as something good? We can take on board what we like. It’s not science, after all. :)

"We can’t apply notions from religion or philosophy (terms like “rebellion”, “sin”, “hubris”, “creation”, “god”, “devil”, “hell”, “good and evil”, “free will” etc, etc)"

I dont mean to be Disrespectful here, but i dont agree.  Some of what you point yeah... but there are Religious Undertones to the Prequels, maybe we should not interpret them as such, but they are their to be interpreted.  Then if we take Rebellion again we see David had became Rebellious to Mankind, instead of Serving these are shown in the Movie, even as far as Dialog for example when David spoke to Walter.

Anything we see in the Movie can be interpreted, the Prologue is easy to interpret as Creation, if we just dont have any interpretations then we can apply this to all sorts in the Franchise.   The Mural for example... oh its just a Painting and thats it...  but by Virtue of it being their it can be interpreted by people in many ways... some may interpret it as the Xenomorph and they are Worshiped as Gods by the Engineers, the Mural is open to that interpretation for sure, if we are looking at ONLY what is shown in the Movies, this is just as people could interpret and see Religious, Philosophical Elements from the movie, even if we ONLY see what we are shown.  Some people maybe interpret things differently, i dont think we should look at the Movies like a  under 10 years old would and thus just see it in a simple way.

Forgive me if i am not totally understanding what you meant though...   My last reply was in regards to what LETO had said and i was pointing out the different things you could consider ASIDE from the actual Theatrical Movie, and then i was going to THROW them all out and give a interpretation if i IGNORED it all apart from what the The Movies Showed.

I had  a Emergency so i never got to reply... but i will make that reply next, it would be kind of proving the point that LETO was making ;)

Ok so when looking at the Franchise alone, and i am trying as hard as i can to not be influenced by anything but what we saw in the Movies, but then i will put my interpretations based on what i see ALONE.   I will also be looking ONLY at what applies to the Xenomorph Origins mainly... and things that are Relevant to who created the Xenomorph. So i can maybe IGNORE most the Franchise. (unless needed) also this would make a unnecessarily long reply.

ALIEN:

The impression gained from watching Alien Alone (My interpretation using no other information but shown). Was that the Nostromo was sent to LV-426 after being informed to check out the SOS Signal but the Company must have known about what was in store at least to some degree due to Special Order 937

I see the Xenomorph as a Organism that appeared to be carried under the Derelict, maybe as part of a Cargo. I see the Ship appeared to be Purposely Built for this Purpose due to the Blue Layer Myst and the Cargo Hold had a similar Aesthetic to the Ship.  I see the Xenomorph as being Bio-Mechanical but its not 100% clear to see the Aesthetic connection to the Ship/Pilot.

I would be unable to Conclude if the Space Jockey was either taking these Eggs for Study, or Taking them for another Purpose, they was on the ship for a Reason that the Movie does-not indicate clearly.  I could Gauge from the Movie that it was likely he got Infected by that Cargo of Eggs, i gathered that it looked like this may have caused the Pilot to had Crashed the Ship, or attempt to Land it. or attempt to Take Off but Failed... but i would be more pushed towards he had Crashed with the Cargo.  I got the impression the Pilot was aware that he was infected and had then Sent the SOS Message to WARN that he was infected and the Cargo was Comprised.

I got the Impression the Pilot was some Bio-Mechanical Being (this would be after more careful Study, ONE viewing could indicate a Skeleton) that connected and interfaced with the Ship via the Chair.

The Xenomorph is saw as this ALIEN that would Hunt Down its Prey in the Shadows and its intention was to Survive and Kill any threats to its Survival.  It showed some Intelligence but appeared to just be a Predator (not the Yautja LOL)

I got the impression the company had some, but limited knowledge of the Species, they knew of the Signal and that a Organism was their to be obtained... which they wanted to Study but with No 100% indication of WHY.

Conclusion:  Egg Origins a Mystery, some Cargo for Some Alien Race who was Transporting them but became infected by its Cargo, and Warned his Race what had happened before landing on LV-426.  The Event seems to be VERY old... Thousands of Years ago or much more.

ALIENS:

This movie would further reveal that those Eggs are likely Laid, but looking at the Blue Myst in Alien, then i would conclude that maybe the Eggs are obtained from being Laid by a Queen by the Space Jockey and taken to the Cargo Hold for a purpose of either to Study or as a Bio-Weapon (i would be more pushed to this when looking at the reason W-Y wanted it).

I would conclude the Company wanted the Organism for the Bio-Weapons Division (this is Spoon Fed) i would have had to WONDER why they left it so long from the Special Order 937, until Ripley had informed Burke about the Xenomorph which i would conclude has to me that ONLY a few were aware of the Xenomorph and for some reason they maybe never bothered to return, or maybe did-not know that the Derelict had so many Eggs and thought going back as not of interest.

I would notice the Xenomorph Hive appeared to have some Aesthetic to the Derelict Ship only slightly though, but maybe NOT be Coincidence.

Conclusion: The Xenomorph was likely used by the Space Jockey as a Bio-Weapon for some Unknown Conflict while the Eggs are Laid by a Queen, i was more drawn to the Xenomorph maybe being a Engineered Weapon. But there would be say 30% of Doubt that would allow me to wonder if the Space Jockey had Discovered the Organism and attempted to Re-Engineer it as a Weapon but also to somehow construct their Technology.

ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION

This Movies dont offer me any additional clues to the Egg Origins or Space Jockey Purpose, but only to Conclude more that the Companies had attempted to obtain the Xenomorph for Biological Warfare.

PROMETHEUS:

In context to the Xenomorph, the movie seemed to show me that the Engineers had been conducting Experiments either on the Xenomorph (or at least something related) to Create the Black Goo Weapon, or that the Black Goo was used to Create Organisms like the Xenomorph and maybe the other Complexes had been used for the similar but maybe different Variants.  (Sacrificial Cup on Altar ignored, and Egg Fresco)

The Engineers lost control of the Outpost with a Outbreak and the Engineers became infected by the Pathogen, i could not really be sure the Engineers had died by any other means but Exploded due to maybe similar to what happened to the Sacrificial Engineer, i would have been confused to WHY we never got NO Fifield Engineers as i found NO evidence of this.   I would have noticed the Chest Burst Cryo-Tubes after Multiple viewings or Study of the Movie, which would have drawn me to some Organism had Exploded from those Engineers, could it have chased the Engineers? i would have considered this, but then other Clues would have for me drawn me to conclude that the Outbreak was Viral, as i noticed the Engineer Suits appeared Hollow.. so i would have been drawn to them breaking down, and this Reaction Exploded from their Suits.

I would have been drawn to ponder if the Worms were Native or had came from the Engineers that had died, but i was more likely pushed to them being Native or existed on (or brought to)  the Surface

The Trilobite/Deacon had lead me to show that the Engineers had experimented with Organisms related to the Xenomorph and there was a connection, but nothing for me to 100% conclude what route.  Just they appeared connected.  I would be drawn to wonder if the Mural was a attempt to Engineer the Deacon and that the Black Goo Strain had Deacon DNA

The Sacrificial Engineer and Virtue of Dr Shaws findings (Star Maps) and DNA match indicated to me that the Engineers are connected and we was created from their DNA, likely via similar to the Sacrificial Scene, which then had drawn me to wonder if the Engineers at some point had Encountered something they then used their Creation Goo on to Create Various Bio-Weapons but also to Enhance themselves.

The Space Jockey and Engineers are connected or even the same, as i put differences down to OVERSIGHT but a 30% of me would ponder had the Engineers Re-Engineered their Technology from the Space Jockey, and Re-Engineered the Eggs to form their many Experiments and Black Goo.

I was part drawn to the Bio-Weapon being used to Destroy, but then part drawn to it being used to EVOLVE Mankind into something NEW. (more so the later)

Conclusion:  The Space Jockey Race and Engineers could be the same, or the Engineers used to Serve the Space Jockey Race and Re-Engineered their Technology and Eggs.  The Xenomorph on LV-426 was connected to LV-223 as either those Eggs would have been used to conduct those Experiments by using the Black Goo (or Sacrificial Goo)  on them and then Results were Weaponized into more Black Goo, or the Black Goo was used to Create the Xenomorphs either on Purpose or as a Accident.   Certainly that the Engineers had maybe created Various Variants of Xenomorph/Deacon like Monsters.   The Derelict likely either being the source for those Experiments, or its Cargo a result of those Experiments and thus on LV-426 for at least about 2000 years.

I could have gone on more with Prometheus as it was Vague and had more to cover than ALIEN or the Franchise had..  But regarding the Eggs/Derelict the above is a Summary of that.

AT THIS POINT..... only from what the Movies show and my honest interpretation if i threw out external material and sources.

In context to the Eggs, they had been on LV-426 for Thousands of Years.   They either predated those Experiments on LV-223 or they came because of those Experiments on LV-223.

NOT by David.

It is a bit more ambiguous also to Conclude if the Experiments were a Bio-Weapon, or used to Evolve Organisms to have traits from the Black Goo that are related to the Deacon/Xenomorph.   With my slightly pondering if they would be used to WIPE a World Clean, but i was more drawn to the World becoming a Place Inhabited/Overran by Xeno like Organisms.

I would have concluded the Space Jockey are the Engineers, or the Space Jockey Predate the  Engineers and maybe Engineers had Rebelled and Stole/Reverse Engineered their Technology.

I would be surprised that the Prometheus Mission could have missed the Derelict SOS, and so the SOS had not been activated yet... so  i would ponder does a Investigative Mission to LV-223 lead to that and Special Order 937.  Or David detected the Signal but somehow managed to keep the rest of the Crew from knowing, and then ask Weyland what to do about it... and who knows what Weyland would have said.   Or the Prometheus and Crew just NEVER encountered the SOS from LV-426... which we also have to ask WHY the Nostromo would not have detected Dr Shaw's... which is WHY at this point i would have been drawn to another Mission goes to LV-223 and turns off her signal but this could have been sent out ONCE and gone across the Galaxy and detected and this resulted in another Mission which is when they detected the Derelict Signal and Special Order 937 came about.

NOW on to...

ALIEN COVENANT

While some Aesthetic Changed from Prometheus, i saw their was some Connection to LV-223, the Engineers appeared to be different, this  would lead me to TWO conclusions... these are a Hybrid Human/Engineer Race or that the Prometheus/ LV-223 Engineers are Augmented versions either by Creation by those Planet 4 Engineers or that some had Evolved Themselves... this left a puzzle to the Sacrificial Engineer which would lead me to think this Scene was NOT our Creation, maybe it was the Creation of those LV-223 Engineers, or those Engineers Sacrificing themselves to Create Horrors related to the Deacon/Xeno/Neomorph.

Regarding the Eggs....  i would have been led to David having conducted experiments on Neomorph Spores and Black Goo to eventually Engineer those Eggs.

A part of me would have notices some conflicts.. such as the difference in the Xenomorph, especially the Chest Buster, and its Gestation Rate that indicate to me that those Xenomorphs are a more Superior Version as far as a Weapon.

Maybe the Classic Chest Buster would be Quicker and Increase Survival Chances, and so that would be a element to Engineer in Future, i would ponder does these Xenomorphs get Evolved to become more Bio-Mechanical and this will be shown in Future and maybe explain the differences in appearance and Gestation/Growth a bit?

I would be in a bit of Shock, Disappointment and Disbelieve what i was shown, i  would watch again and again to try and Clutch at Straws that David could not have created the Xenomorph.

At this point looking back at the other Movies... i would be looking at the Derelict looking like it SURELY had been there for a Long Time before Prometheus but also would be concerned this would be a Ridley Scott oversight.

I would look back at other movies and wonder could David had gone to LV-426 and got a Egg/Eggs, but then i would ask WHY he would Experiment with so many other Organisms...  But its something i could not rule out.. there would be the possibility that David had obtained a Egg from LV-426 or LV-223 and began to experiment with it and the Neomorph.

And maybe THUS David's Xenomorph was a Xenomorph and Neomorph Hybrid.

Conclusion:  David would have either Created the Xenomorph (proto-morph) from Experimenting with the Black Goo and Neomorph Spores and Tinkered with other Life-Forms.   Which we would then need to see his Xenomorphs gain more Bio-Mechanical look in future and in their Thousands (Colonist a Coincidence?) on a Engineer Ship at some point.

OR that David had experimented with a Egg (with only a assumption not fact from where he got it), and Neomorph, and other Organisms to create a Hybrid that he then used Dr Shaw's Eggs to Create in Number.

By Virtue of the Colonist in their Thousands, and this being a ALIEN: Prefix i would be more drawn to that Dreaded Conclusion that at PRESENT, David had been the Engineer of the Xenomorph :(

All of these CONCLUSIONS would not be taking into account anything that NEVER appeared away from the Movies.. So if i watched The Crossing this could help me to ponder something else...  like David gained Knowledge of the Xenomorph/Blue-Prints or could have gone to LV-426 to obtain a Specimen (unlikely)

But i made the last TWO posts based on ONLY considering what the Movies had shown using my Interpretation but NOT letting any other external source sway my Interpretation.

Feel Free to disagree with my Interpretation as they are only mine, and everyone could conclude different, but any replies to give their own TWO Cents based on what i put, maybe should only take into account AGAIN what only the Movies shown.

"I would conclude the Company wanted the Organism for the Bio-Weapons Division (this is Spoon Fed) i would have had to WONDER why they left it so long from the Special Order 937, until Ripley had informed Burke about the Xenomorph which i would conclude has to me that ONLY a few were aware of the Xenomorph and for some reason they maybe never bothered to return, or maybe did-not know that the Derelict had so many Eggs and thought going back as not of interest."

Aliens has the laziest script in the Quadrilogy, starting with the meeting between Ripley and the suits from W-Y, so full of cliches. I mean there was special order 937 in Alien, but in Aliens W-Y established a colony on LV426, still they never bothered to search for the derelict until Burke told them to do it? Did they need to interview Ripley? What happened with the exchange of messages between Nostromo and W-Y, when the Company was informed about the Alien and they decided that crew is expendable,  just get the Alien?

Aliens is such a superficial spoon feeding popcorn flick and I still don't understand why there are still people who praised it. For the queen? Forgive me.

@ daliens,

This may surprise some but to a degree, but I agree with you. IMO, in terms of execution Cameron did a better job than Scott, as in there are no jarring moments (Space Jockey difference in scale, Bretts feet in Lamberts scene) in Aliens, and despite the introduction of the Queen Cameron did show the Xenomorph has a degree of intelligence, which was missing from Alien. But...

One issue with Cameron is an oversight when it comes to time. Take Terminator 2 as an example, there are multiple scenes that dictate the present day scenes are set in 1994, but despite having co-written and directed the movie he made an error with the LAPD laptop screen (John Connor would have been 9 not 10 years old).

For Aliens some of Cameron's time oversights are...

# The 57 years hiatus, Why?

# Hadley's hope has been there 20 years, yet never discovered the Derelict or its signal (has been explained since, but not at the time).

# 20-year-old colony's firstborn was Newt, even though her brother is older?

# absolutely no time frame between events.

However, I will say this. Despite the grief that Cameron's movie gets, considering what came before his movie is the next logical step narratively, while rightfully not repeating the tone of what came before serves both his and Scott's movies justice. Alien is one Alien in space, Aliens is lots of Aliens on a planet/moon. Alien was best suited as a survival horror, Aliens was best suited as an action movie. The movies after this simply recycled what came before (Alien 3 - one alien on a planet, Alien: Resurrection - lots of Aliens in space).

@ BigDave,

It's interesting you bring up the mention that Weyland-Yutani wanted the Xenomorph for their Bio-Weapons division, Because as I recall unless I am mistaken no-one actually states this in the movies...

# Ash loved its purity

# Burke saw the Alien as a way of getting rich

# Michael Bishop/Bishop II believed there was so much to learn from the creature.

"It's interesting you bring up the mention that Weyland-Yutani wanted the Xenomorph for their Bio-Weapons division, Because as I recall unless I am mistaken no-one actually states this in the movies..."

Just watched Alien.

It's in the film, Gavin, after Ash was beheaded and Ripley tries to resuscitate him to find out how to kill the alien:

"How come the company sent us a goddamn robot? 

They must have wanted the alien for the weapons division.

He's been protecting it all along.

Will you plug it in?

I don't know. 

Because he may know how to kill it."

Then the dialogue between Ripley/crew and Ash:

"What was your special order?

You read it. I thought it was clear.

What was it?

Bring back life form. Priority one. All other priorities rescinded.

The damn company. What about our lives, you son of a bitch?

I repeat, all other priorities are rescinded.

How do we kill it. There's gotta be a way of killing it. How do we do it?

You can't. You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? The perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by his hostility.

You admire it.

I admire its purity. A survivor, unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality."

Yeah, only Ripley speaks of alien as a bioweapon. Paranoia.