Yutani coming?

Yes interesting and more stuff is being let loose.... Ridley did say a week or so ago, that they are working on designs of the new Bridge to the Ship..... which i thought was odd if it was the Juggernaught... and it could be Engineer ship we not seen... but that comment to me most likely fitted another Earth Ship.

So the latest comments by him back this up....

Is it Weyland? or Yutani we dont know..... i know my draft i worked on i was going for a Yutani mission and then a Weyland one to both be racing off.... well that was one idea....

As in the Weyland files it appears that a vital peice of communication software with regards to signals from that system, it was said thats if they (Weyland) can trust the Yutani software or hardware... which tells me that Yutani are logging everything that is going on.

so i wont be suprised if they decode information so that Weyland Company does not get it, but Yutani does but we cant be sure...

But does look like a mission to LV 223,  or LV 426?

Ridley does say that David and Shaw are off to the Engineers Homeworld.... we have to assume as they will have a 37LY head start unless Paradise is closer to Earth which i doubt,  that there is no way a Company ship can intercept the Juggernaught David and Shaw is on....

Like the supposed Hell on Earth leak said... i cant see David bring the ship to Earth or be near by, some comments hint that LV 426 is Paradise... but then i think Ridley means that was the idea a long time before they began work on Prometheus...   as how can they find biengs on a near by World on LV 426 and we have to ask why did this beings being so close to LV 223 not go and investigate or even come to finish the job?

Also Ridley wanted to go away from the Xeno and if he wanted to explore the Engineers, who created them etc... how can he do that and connect why they created the Xeno etc.... without it being a Xeno movie?

Well a mission to LV 223 or LV 426 will no doubt uncover more of the vague clues left behind...

Hmmm...not sure about bringing in Yutani. You are going to have to kill alot of people to keep the secret safe.

2122 Ripley is the only one who knows about the Xeno.The crew of the Nostromo seemed oblivious to killer aliens or they would have been packing weapons for the distress signal.

First contact is 2179. Humanity is not alone!

It's business as usual for the Weyland/Yutani between 2034 and 2179...no aliens. Boring space mining and colony development. 

Just how many people/companies are going to learn about LV223 and Paradise? They all must die or be lost to history.

I think the timeline would change greatly if Yutani knew about Paradise or LV223.

Unless of course Weyland and Yutani lose so much money on their doomed missions that they're forced to merge. If Yutani followed them then it's a really expensive covert mission that will of course end as a bloodbath. It's possible, and a way to unite the two without too much exposition. That would mean something other than multiple Davids, but that always seemed like a cheesy idea anyway.

I can definitely see that happening. It would make sense that Yutani would try and butt in. To MonsterZero's point about no one knwoing about the Xeno until 2179, I don't think that it matters that they know about the Xeno for this movie, really. 

If Yutani is jeeping track of where they were and what they were doing on the mission to lv223 then I think it makes sense that they would want to get in on a piece of the action and see where they can make money. Still, I just have a weird doubtful feeling that the other crew will be Yutani.

Also, I think the company did know about the Xeno being out there on lv426. Or they thought it was some kind of Alien life. Ash was so shady and pretty much evil because he knew the company wanted to collect the specimen and use it for military and scientific purposes. For the company to want the Xeno that bad I think that they knew about it somewhat before hand 

    Weyland and Yutani must have ships exploring the deep reaches of the galaxy, searching for minerals and planets to colonize.....They must be finding something? These ships could have found Paradise ahead of David and Shaw(Ripleys parents could be aboard one of these explorer vessels). They could be reporting back their findings....but if they are so far out in space it could take hundreds of years for their messages/warnings to reach Earth?

How long does it take to communicate in the Alien verse? The ships can travel Faster Than Light....but does their communications? If it takes 2.4 years to travel 35LY....how long for their messages? 35 years? and maybe it's too weak and just becomes background noise or garbled. You are on your own!  The distress call from the Prometheus might not hit Earth until 2128...."oh crap...Weylands dead?..Lets send a ship!" Weyland corp sends rescue ship in 2133...The crew of the Prometheus have been dead for 40 years.

IF there is no FTL comms then it is truly a nightmare universe....No one coming to your rescue. Your ship and crew are all you have.

That's what I'm thinking, Yutani lurks in the shadows to see what Weyland is up to, sets down after the disaster to investigate, bio horror ensues. Remaining crew either unites With or forces themselves upon Shaw and David. Oh, the possibilities.

Oops double post sorry!

Yer so you on the lines I was on too. It can be worked Yutani weyland etc are constantly using spies to keep up with each other found out weyland was going and left just after them or relitivly soon maybe years not knowing what was out there then basically they will be the fodder for part 2 (hopefully not a dumb this time!) . Also there is the thing of how long passes on earth when they travel at these speeds not sure what that is but maybe without the two leaders yutani ends up owning most of weyland and finds the info that way 35 lightyears at faster than light speed = ? maybe more it seems that way usually.

And stuff gets covered up possibly lost I agree they knew about the xeno prior to alien thats another grey area...I always thought they did know quiet allot after all ash was placed before take off like you say... company knew and used them as bait like always :) . Anyway the point is its workable. Really hope they make a solid realistic layout of all that type of stuff this time...if there are multiple davids maybe some kind of engineer machine is used by david to duplicate himself...anyway yes I know its a bit speculative but one idea I guess..... 

We cant be sure what the real reason is, because of Ridleys Comments and how they are well very Ambigious and seem to contradict well offer little clues to alternative explanations..... remember he did say that what is to say that Earth was the only place that Mankind comes from... well along those lines...   we could see a Battle Star Galactica Scenerio here where we see Humans from another part of the Galaxy... who find out that Shaw and David are on their way to Paradise.. maybe these Humans had something to do with the downfall of the Engineers because Ridley said Paradise was a Disaster..... but then Ridley hinted earlier that they would meet Engineers and hinted at something above the Engineers.. so its not completely Void!

But again his comment could indicate as the Scenerios i put in another post that either another Earth Company Ship that is sent to intercept either Shaw and David (be that sent from Earth, or already on its way behind Prometheus, or even a ship that is futher out past the Zeta 2 System).  Or that a ship is on its way to LV 223 etc...

As LV 223 does provide a Plot Hole so to speak...

As far as your comments on Yutani etc and Alien and knowledge of the Xeno..... well the Source i had did say the movie has 3 Plot points....   which funny enough before i even had that information the draft i was working on for Prometheus had 2 main plots....  2 sub plots as in flash backs... and a start of a 3rd plot that would be covered in a 3rd movie more.

Here is what i was working on, and it takes into account what the company may have known by Alien and also how they never knew too much, it takes into account the Plot Hole of Weyland Company after its CEO and Deputy CEO are dead and also used information from the Weyland site Files......

The Company (Weyland) had knowledge of a Signal from the Zeta 2 System of potentially Alien Origin and they had planed to send a mission..  The Time Line of Weyland Industries has this...

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Discovery of Acheron LV-426

Weyland astronomers discover multiple moons and a ringed planet just outside the Zeta 2 Reticula System, which are possibly able to support life. Weyland expects to travel there within the century.

May 14, 2039

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This does not however mean they know anything about the system...

There are files however include Shaws Quiet Eye that give more information a post in detail is here  LV-426 Knowledge

"my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptibel signal eminating from one of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of Shaw and Halloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of interest could actually be the moon LV-426."

It goes onto futher say "Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will be programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right"

It is this information as well as Shaws SOS that i used to start my ideas of company sending another mission.... but budget is tight and company is in turmoil and must wait 3 Months before they can Act after no contact from Prometheus.   I will explain the company latter as far as how i saw what remained..

Here is where Yutani play into it...

"For if the Yutani's new ECIU software is to be trusted, there might be great risk awaiting us on the path to an even greater reward."

So the Prometheus uses Hardware Based Software that is from Yutani which seems to be a Comunications Experts and the Quiet Eye videos does hint that as they use Yutani communications Hardware... there was hints that Yutani was monitoring all communications between Shaw and Weyland....

They could have then sent there own mission not far off from Weylands...

Also the fact Prometheus uses Yutani ECIU software  does maybe leave the door open for Yutani to be spying on and collecting information and who knows... and its what i proposed in my draft... if the information picked up is in part encoded and not all information that was detected by the Yutani Hardware/Software was passed on to Weyland... and we dont know if any information sent back by David or Prometheus to Earth could have been encoded in a way that Weyland HQ does not get the full communication but Yutani does.

So yes when you connect the dots... and then if they recieve Shaws SOS surely the company or companies will want to go and investigate that Zeta 2 System....

In Alien the Company may never had known of the Xeno..... but only of Genetic Experiments and Technology on LV 223 that is connected.... how far and how much they know we cant be sure as there is a GAP in the Timeline and LV-223 is a Big Part of this...

Why would they send the Nostramo to LV-426 when LV-223 holds much more rewards.... i thought they would have to have sent a Mission to LV-223 and at some point before the year 2122 LV-223 must no longer have anything to Salvage....  thus the place must had been destroyed or rendered useless.... which is what i was going to explore in my idea for Prometheus Part 3  while Part 2 would show signs of two missions one Weyland and one Yutani setting off at the end to the system....

As far as the Company.... my draft had this...

Weyland Company was in a state of Chaos....  Its CEO and Vice CEO are dead... or there is no contact....

The company had lost a lot of Money on Weylands Gamble to LV-223 but then looking at his Portfolio of Teraforming and Minning.... i doubt Prometheus was a massive loss Financially..... so i proposed that ontop of No CEO, that the company also have problems with its Androids  David 7 recalls and Law suits, would then cause a Hold and Recall on David 8 models for Safety Reasons..... until research and a investigation is completed...

The Boardroom still had Weylands Younger Brother who was next in line after Vickers... but he was old in his 90's and would be voiced by Lance Henriksen but due to ill health he is kept in Cryo Stasis type Sleep not all the time but some life support to help extend his life......  we see him via a Hologram live Broadcast at a meeting on Mars over the state of the company since its been nearly 3 months since loss of communications with Prometheus...

At the board meeting Weylands Brothers duties are now left to his Son. Weylands Nephew who would be the most likely to suceed after Weyland Borthers deaths.....

There is a a shock twist..... we see after the board meeting about the company and how things will now be ran by other members after not hearing off Weyland or Vickers for 3 months...... we see in another room well on a shuttle craft a table with a like Laptop within a Briefcase and we see Weyland on the screen and its closed by female hands

A solicitor comes into the board meeting female holding a briefcase.... she opens it up and its Weylands Will, and it says that all of Weylands Stock should be left to his daughter Meredith Vickers in the likely event of his death.  Weyland owns 60% of the company is brother 20% and other 20% is by various consortium members.

Weylands Nephew then goes well Vickers was on that mission to meet so called Gods too, we have not heard back in 3 months and as per article 667132b  the company then gets passed to my Father who inturn is leaving it to me.... so that Will is not worth the Paper oh sorry the silicone its written on....

Then there is a voice..... sorry to disapoint you Micheal.... and then we see, yes its Vickers but how, how was she alive..... she comes in and yes she now off course runs the company....

There are many twists and plots in the end, but i wont go into detail.... shame i abandoned it because i think it had some amazing ideas and twists....

At the end some event happens.... as Micheal Weyland is treated bad by Vickers and Fired.... his father only has small shares in the company  20% and he is dying latter on, his son vows to regain the company....  his father says unless Vickers dies she will have the company and any children she has would inherit thus cutting off our connection...

So Micheal makes a deal with the Devil, he knows Weyland Androids while looking Human, they are glitchy, where as Yutani ones while Mechanically not as advanced.... software wise they are better.... he makes a deal, that if they can get rid of Vickers, then he would allow them part of the shares in the company and free up the Android Patents in return for Money too...

Yutani can obtain Patents to the Androids and buy into the company shares 20% once Vickers is gone... this was the seeds to a Weyland Yutani Merger.... only the seeds, it was after the 3rd movie that we truly see a Merger begun..

Micheal was not interesting in the Androids, he was interesting in making money and the Teraforming and Space Technology.......  Yutani wanted Weyland anroid Patents and also Military applications of Weylands Androids could be used for.

How Vickers dies... or not? There is a MASSIVE TWIST!

Back to the Topic.... yes as you see we could explore ways that companies send mission to LV 223 that would make the most sense... it would allow us to be shown more Xeno connections....  it would cover how the company would gain more information and at the end we could see LV-223 destroyed to cover that Plot Hole.

And this leave David and Shaw to explore the Engineers and back away from Alien...

David "I do believe it is a fleet of warships mum", "over three thousand."

Shaw "Oh my God...Where are they headed?!"

David "Epsilon Eridani"

Shaw "Not Earth?!"

David "No mum....but it does appear 5 have left the fleet and are headed our way..."

Shaw "Can we out run them?!"

David "No, they are an order of magnitude faster", "I suggest we attempt to evade them in the nearest star system"

Shaw "David....What could they possibly need with 3,000 warships?"

David "Perhaps a engineering sample gone astray?", he smiled.

By then they had started calling the 'Engineers' by their real name.....

The Yutani.

i like some of your thinking, MonsterZero...  not that if i think these are good way to go. But the way you have  knack for stuff...

Think i know who to come to if i need to flesh out one of my Alien movie stories that i have yet to start real work on ;)

@BigDave

Thanks! I have millions of ideas...some good...some horrible! You are welcome to use all of them.

The Engineers as the Yutani: I supposed the Engineers have been on Earth for thousands of years and probably want to help point humans in the right directions...Maybe Yutani are run by the Engineers? Weyland made a deal with the devil? We know very little about Yutani.

Crazy idea, I know. But I was bored. :)

What if another (sepeate) flight/mission followed along behind that of Prometheus'? By Yutani perhaps? Theymerely floated around in orbit and monitoref events of the Prometheus landing then thought twice before landing themselves when the whole affair went disaterously wrong for them...

That could explain how there could be another team of travelers that seemingly is in such close proximity to that of the first (?) and happens upon the survivors almost instantaneously in the " first act" as Ridley Scott said...

Hypernova, I have a somewhat similar plotline as well: A Yutani spy ship is tracking the Prometheus from a safe distance. Inside the spy ship along with a small Yutani crew is a Yutani-programmed David 8 model android. The Yutani David 8 has the ability to track his brother the Weyland David aboard Prometheus.. and then aboard the Juggernaught ship. They eventually meet-up on Paradise and David Weyland convinces David Yutani to help re-connect his head. David Yutani has tools and resources for such a technical feat becasue of a well stocked service bay aboard the Yutani spy ship.  Just one of the ways to introduce more characters for Shaw and David to interact with, and solves the head reconnect problem. 

Will be interesting and yes when you consider some lose ends, and clues about Yutani ECU software maybe this can play a part in the movie?   Well apparently there is a Ship thats mission is somewhat like the Nostromo's in a few ways.

"Oh they was asked about the Mission to LV 223, and they said yes there is a ship with a crew but they cant say what its purpose is but that this is not the only Humans in the movie or other beings, and to think of it as similar to Nostromo mission, in more than a few ways but it plays a big part in the plot and is one 3rd of the Movies Plot....

But that a 3rd movie would cover more of the mysteries of that System but they can not go into details..... the details about the Xeno connections they said are points that will be covered vaguley. but the Human involvement in it all is one of the main Plot devices that will be revealed"

This is information i was given yesterday, i added it to my thread from the same source.... the person who spoke to this source says the source is very ambigious with stuff because they cant give full details but hints that when you think and look at them in context to the franchise should give the clues in more detail but that their comments will make more sense once information is released or after the movie is out.

So im not sure how to read into the stuff, but a lot of it if true is interesting and so i will try and tackle this latest comment...

"there is a ship with a crew"  "not the only Humans in the movie or other beings" and "to think of it as similar to Nostromo mission, in more than a few ways"

This adds up to yes a new set of Travelers...  but "not the only Humans?" does that mean oh yes Shaw? Or a few scenes on Earth i.e Weyland Outpost on Mars or Earth?  Does it mean a Company outpost in the outer reaches of the Galaxy well futher than LV-223/LV-426?  "other beings" ok so does that mean other Race that is seen on Paradise or some other place in the Galaxy?  or when we take it with Ridleys comment about how Earth may not be the only place to find Human Life, does this mean outposts and colonies like Hadleys Hope.... or a seperate Race of Humans created by the Engineers or taken to some other place far away and without contact from Earth.

Like Caprica/Earth in  the Battle Star Galactic Universe?

"similar to Nostromo mission, in more than a few ways"

What by?  A Company Ship that is unware of the Dangers? Sent by the Company? To get infected with a Life Form?  This is all too similar to Alien.... but then could it be a Ship with a Crew with a Female Lead... again too similar to Alien!

Or a Ship that detects a Signal and goes to investigate or is re-routed to investigate, that could be more fitting and would maybe fit better than a Ship sent from Earth sometime after Prometheus reached LV-223...

Ridley said its incomming, that could mean anything, but i think in Timeframe maybe its a ship that has either set off after Prometheus but is a matter of Months or a year behind, or a ship that is out in a near by part of the Galaxy that is then re-routed to investigate i.e has to be much closer than say 38LY to LV-223

But surely such a ship can not catch David and Shaws ship? we have to assume the Engineers Ships can travel much faster, and the Weyland Files sugest Prometheus was a state of the Art Ship that opens the door to futher Space Exploration..... but then the Weyland Website shows us the company have explored systems way futher than LV-223 by the time before Prometheus which we have to consider is a error on the part of the team behind that as far as surely Ships before Prometheus could travel faster?

Even so, we would have to assume that David or Shaw would want to meet up with another Ship, maybe David could... but i am sure he is far more facinated by what he can find on Paradise than to return the Spoils of LV-223 back to Earth or the Company.... Ridleys comments said they are going to Paradise, David is bringing Hell with him and what happens if God or Machine is infected with the Goo.... these comments were a long time ago... but if they are still behind the Plot, then why would David want to stop off and pick up the crew of another Human Ship especially one from Earth, unless he wants to use them as experiments?

But i think he would rather get to Paradise and consider his own Agenda, to play God maybe?

Shaw would surely not want to trust any other Humans, she would want David to get her to where these Engineers come from....

So this leaves maybe a Human Ship from Earth (originates) to maybe go investigate LV-223/426?

However...... what about a Curve Ball.... not as in Time Travel and Human ship that is faster comming in from some kind of Time Travel be that Accidental?  Ridley did say he was comming to Alien from the Back or Side end? But i think he means by the time he is finished and so not in the 2nd movie!

So what if indeed as in Battle Star Galactica  i.e Earth/Caprica there is another Human Civilisation that are advanced that are on the way between LV-223 and Paradise?  Maybe this could be whats happening? Who knows...

But how does the link to Ripley fit in?  I think he was on about Alien 5 as in the next one is about Ripley, but this one has a link but he wont go into detail... this one must be Paradise Lost?  But how?   Flash Back dream of Shaws like my idea was?  some other relative connected in a scene on Earth or a Company Outpost?

Or that incomming Ship? If this is the case then it must rule out that the Ship is from another Human Civilisation.

The source i had, is very vague with stuff and they wont directly say whats what.... just as Ridley Scot has been doing over the last few years......  Which basically leaves us with comments that well could be like Nostradamus as far as eventually you can fit in what happens in the movie to comments made by Ridley/The Source where as right now you cant think what they mean or how they would connect... until it happens...

I am going for a Ship that is out there in the Galaxy not too far from LV-223 that either goes or is ordered to investigate that Zeta 2 System.... or maybe a ship that has already been to that System and is off to Paradise too, before Prometheus?  But not in a Engineer ship but how would they know about Paradise, if they did because of a Android like David then would they not have taken a Engineer Ship too?

Maybe then its a Earth Ship that is beyond Lv-223 and then detects David and Shaws ship comming close and follows them... but then again how would it catch a Engineer Ship, and also especially depending how far Paradise is.... surely this incomming Ship if its in persuit has to turn up not to long after David and Shaw do...? Which would mean Paradise is not so far away?

Why have no Engineers or Creators come back to LV-223 or Earth?  Ridley says that Disaster waits... which could mean the place was a disaster as Ridley said... so thats something has already happened... before David and Shaw?  Or after David and Shaw?

But then Ridley mentioned about David and Shaw meeting some beings who are not Gods, and are not Nice... so that means there must be some left when they get there...?

But here is the Thing!!! Ridley said ages ago that once Davids Head is back on then Shaw is at his whim and he can go where ever he wants.......  And the Source says that they go off to Paradise but they dont necessarily have to go to the Engineers Homeworld, but they go to some place connected to the Engineers!

Could he pop off to LV-426?  As the source did say concept work they saw, was very much dark and looked like LV-426 than LV-223.... could David go to LV-426 first?  The source said Shaw does not Technically Die? What does that mean?

Maybe a David going to LV-426 and getting up to no Good then going off to Paradise could work, maybe the incomming ship goes down to LV-426?   The Source does sugest that Human DNA and not Engineers that is connected to our Xenos from LV-426!

Ridleys latest comment said about the Cargo and something Evolved.... we are led to the Space Jockey and Derelict being on LV-426 for thousands of years... Ridley even said within few hundred years of the LV-223 outbreak that killed nearly all the Engineers off..... So while the Derelict had been on LV-426 for 1800-2200 years.... have the Eggs been there for that long?

Who knows..... be interesting to find out!

Wow! Sounds great! Can't wait for the first set pictures and cast hirings.

Well i think we would likely see stuff pretty soon, if they are set to Shoot in January?  Some sources say Febuary but this could be just when Fassbender is cast to shoot his scenes, and so other scenes could be shot earlier.

If we are what 10-15 weeks away from Shooting then i would safely assume Production work has begun and it certainly would be being ramped up now as far as Props, Costumes and Sets etc.....  it may not sound a lot of time, but we have to remember some sets etc are not detailed and a lot of Green Screen work can be used  and so they dont have to build complex detailed sets and scenes as a lot of work is done in Post Production and after Shooting, so a basic green screen or basic shape of some of the sets could be made and then detail is added via CGI afterwards.

So i would say that we may start to see leaks and more information  in about 6-10 weeks time.

Did they keep the sets from Prometheus? Can't imagine they destroyed the Jockey chair!? They auctioned off alot of the props....did they keep anything? 

You would think they NEED the interior of the Juggernaut! Shaw and David travelling....or are they going to skip that part and just start the movie on Paradise....save them from rebuilding the Juggernauts interior(jockey chair/cargo hold).

Who knows.... it may have made sense at the time of shooting the Headless David and Bag Scene with Shaw, that they shot a few more Scenes while on Set regarding Shaw going into Cryo Sleep and How David operated the Juggernaught.

Ridley hints that he will be put back together and Shaw has no Choice, and once his head goes on then basically she would be at the whim of David.... this was a long time ago....  so it would indicate that they would be shooting Scenes onboard the Juggernaught as opposed to just leave it as we saw at the end of Prometheus where we had no scenes of how David managed to Fly the ship while his head was seperated from his body... but it seems there would be scenes in the next movie..... so did they shoot some while on set? or not? who knows.

As far as keeping the set for the Juggernaught it would have made some sense, but who knows... if Fox had planned to do a seqeual which seemed the case from the get go then maybe.... if they was not sure or not sure on a time frame then they would have to take into account storage costs for the set.  A lot of stuff was Auctioned off but a lot could be items they may not use again.

And there is always the chance they would simply reproduce the sets from Scratch again.