Ultimate Fresco Discusion....

To Futher in Basic Form Answer... "if the engineers created humans, did they do so as a way of redeeming themselves, or are they just continuing to be 'dark angels' ?"

Which i forgot above....

"if the engineers created humans"  The movie seems to show that they indeed did, but the movie shows this via the process of Evolution, does all Seeded life in this way lead to Mankind...  as Ridley said the Scene does not have to be Earth so yes the Engineers create life this way on many Worlds.... but do they create Mankind on many worlds or similar?

Logic would say the Engineers with the blessing of those on Paradise, or aginst the Will must have came back and futher experimented on Life on Earth to then eventually reach Mankind, for what purpose? Who knows but the movie hints that they must have held us in some good regard or that we would be needed for a greater purpose.

"did they do so as a way of redeeming themselves" We can't be sure of the exact purpose or Agenda for our creation... on one hand a not used Elder Scene shows that the Sacrifice had a great importance to the Engineers and Elders... that this process in some way would lead to benefit to their entire Species... how and why we dont know.

The movie however also points to another purpose... when Holloway says to David that Mankind created David because we could!  In which case David responds to Holloway how would he feel if Mankinds creators said the same about Mankind.

But there was a reason for creating David 8, it was not a case of because we could.. it was that these Androids could then be used to act as servants and to be used in roles and chores that Mankind has to do, and so the Androids can perform tasks and have uses that would save Mankind having to do the Labour...

Could Mankind had been created in the same way for the same purpose?  If we connect to the earliest records of Mankind interaction with Gods, then yes in the Annunaki Tale, Mankind was created to replace Rebelious lesser Gods the Igigi after they refused to carry out the Labour of the Gods. This also connects with a Rebelion which i would show below.

"or are they just continuing to be 'dark angels' ?"

Well Ridley did refer to the Engineers are Dark Angels and that Shaw would find Devil and not God on Paradise..

This could mean basically that our Engineers are just plain Evil... or it could fit in with Rebelion... Dark Angels are Demons, Fallen Angels and Angels that rebelled against the Rule and Rules of God....  Rebelion could fit in with the Theme to Prometheus... the Prometheus Myth shows of Rebelion, the Annunaki Tale also of Rebelion, i feel this is a common theme that i do think would form the Basis for the Whole Plot of the Franchise.

The movie to me shows seeds of....

CREATOR = Creates Life in own image to serve = CREATION REBELS = Creation then Creates Creation in its own Image to Serve and this Creation also Rebels...

The movie has shown this in this fashion....  Engineers = Mankind = David 8 (Androids) but is this the Start?  i doubt it and i feel that indeed this carries on futher back and thus Engineers created and rebelled against their creators.... maybe it goes back futher than this also....

Engineers Rebelion lead to create Mankind maybe? or Mankind was created to replace Rebelious Engineers, but in some way we was created or upgrades in a way against the Agenda and Wishes of the Top of the Hierarchy Thus a mild connection to the Prometheus Myth and Also Rebelion of a 3rd of the Angels against God... Dark Angels (Fallen).  

This is what in the broad strokes i see has happening and its what i exploring with my Paradise draft, its just how the Xeno or related Ancestor fitted in with this..... But the Franchise and Ridley have hinted to the Xeno as merely Destroyer, Punishment and Bio Weapon to wipe out and wipe the slate clean!

something_real and big_dave thanks as always for your replies.

my questionsis based on the hypothesis that it was indeed the engineers that created mankind, which i don't think is the case, but i was just extrapolating that scenario

The movie however also points to another purpose... when Holloway says to David that Mankind created David because we could!  In which case David responds to Holloway how would he feel if Mankinds creators said the same about Mankind.

i know you had the next part as well about creating labour for  david etc etc, but at the same time, if that were the case, then surely that would mean that earth woul be in a kind of utopic, manual labour free state, which i doubt to be honest with you, so then i think the 'because we could' part still holds true. and that's the crux really for me....because at the end when weyland introduces david as his 'creation' the engineer doesn't react so well....which gets me thinking about what the engineers really view as life, and maybe even, what they understand as 'technology'. i think engineers might view robots as a threat to their xenomorph gods (can someone make a terminator vs aliens films please?)

anyway i agree with you in that the engineers just might be evil and sadistic themselves. i think they created damned species everywhere in space. they spread death. they make simply because they can...and that's it. they don't care or love their creations. 

Again maybe yes, you could be close to what Fox and Ridley now wish to show us, and that is our Engineers and their Hierarchy truly are nasty SOB’s who care not for their creations and create us and life because they could... but i think they need to really give us a explanation why and a Agenda for this...

Unless indeed a Faction of Engineers had created mankind without the consent of the other Engineers and who ever rules on Paradise?

My theories on Prometheus was always to loosely connect them to the Prometheus Myth, the Ancient Alien and culture connections, and see how all Religions seem to have some connection to each other and then fit that with Prometheus which led me to the closest thing as in the Annunaki Tale. But while Prometheus may have set out in that way.... loosely i think they are now doing a U-Turn.....

As far as Mankind and David 8 creation being a Labour Free Utopia i think that in the franchise the movie had not yet given us that, but the potential for this to be the case in future... but these Androids started to have problems and so they would never be used in such a large scale.