Experiment or New Opportunity

@Konfucio

Great post! lots of cool questions there. I had some very hard lined opinions when I first started posting; however, a lot of members have much better insight into this production than I thought. 

I wanna try and keep my posts a little shorter so we can get a lot of responses to as many questions as you posted. 

A theme that resonates with me strongly still is that maybe the Engineers were not the ones to put us on Earth. It could be another more advanced part of thier society. I am pretty sure the Engineers designed us and there could be many reasons for doing what they did in the way they did it. It is also clear from artist submitted designs that the Elders and Engineers where to be these extreemly tall and very awesome incredible humonoid aliens...at least twice our hight is what I saw in one sketch. Ridley could not get them to produce the movie that way but I realy wish they had. In the sketch it makes Engineers look invincible, the kind of power to pick up a Exno and tear it apart. 

Other than that great to have you here and please keep posting thats how a lot us keep this going strong throught out the week and into the weekend. I am posting this right now at 2 am. As soon as some others jump in here we can address more of the questions.

@Redant

I'v been reading a lot of the posts and like all you have had to say in the different topics discussed and I wanna try to ask you not to keep them short! Thats the reason that led me to create an account and share my thoughts... Thoughts and Ideas are better explained in long posts... the bigger the detail the bigger the fascination I get and it is a lot better, Which comment you prefer?
Post: engineers are grey like the ones in roswell!
ShortCommenter I think that's all shit.
longCommenter- Well, I think what it is a little extreme to say it is shit, I think they are grey because they were never exposed to a Sun like ours... or in some experiment they decided melanin was of no use or suddenly got the michael jackson's complex or some transhumanistic characteristic has the side effect of killing their melanin... etc etc
So, yes I do prefer long , well explained and polite comments like the ones you gave to this community.

I know I've missed lots of things (including the artwork you linked)... I have a goal to recollect all the data and make a timeline but I'm a little short of time. Also, im having incongruent nanothougts over the black goo.

In respect to the seeding, you propose that what we see in the beggining of Prometheus is a sacrificial engineer seeding DNA into a river with the purpose of initiate life, and us were not the objective of that action but a action of another faction in their society? In this case is correct to asume the ones that visited us repeatedly through 35000 years painting invitations to us are from this faction, and is the same faction behind the "organization" found on LV_223, yes?

Why do you think was the motive behind telling the artist the make the engineers almost two times taller than us? (I believe that the motive was not based on "sciencefictional" reasons but more in the "lets make their appearance equal to us, so we can identify them as our creators but give them some characteristics that make them look far superior") I too wish Ridley could get them to produce this great movie in to a greater movie!

One thing I've missed for example was this comment about the "guy at the beginning" from Ridley
(Interview to Ridley and Lindeloff)

"And therefore there's two questions in the film: the guy at the beginning is simply donating himself, no stranger than the Aztecs or Incas would choose some poor bugger, at the beginning saying "right, you're it, in the year you get all the girls you want, all the food you want, blah blah, and at the end of the year we're going to take your heart, take it out, squeeze it, and we're going to get jolly good crops and good weather next year." It's no more than that, he's into a form of donation, except his DNA is so powerful, each molecule is like a timebomb. So, we only set our standards by what we know here, which makes us essentially naive. We don't, we can't conceive of galloping DNA: I release that on the desk, and in a second I've got a cotton wool ball going black. We can't conceive that because it's not in your frame of experience. So you've got to take your brain, put it on the side, and when you enter the movie just let yourself breath."

@ Konfucio

You stated that it is unclear where the sacrificial Engineers come from. Also you stated that they arrived at earth in a FTL space ship.

I have speculated for a long time as to the motivations for the Engineers to sacrifice them selves in order to start a new world of organisms.

First things first, according to molecular biology, psychology, and neurological studies it has been conclusively proven that as knowledge and language are acquired over time it has two primary effects on the individual.

Language acquisition specifically shapes the perceptions of the individual and how they use language to form thoughts. Generally to more command that an individual has of their native tongue to more comprehension that they can have as it applies to their give profession or the type of work that they do. For example, the everyday person that has an

average IQ has the command of about 7000 words. A doctor has above 15000 words as

a baseline in their vocabulary. When a person has a stronger command of more worlds it affects their decision making process. The second way that language affects a person over time is how they are able to gain more knowledge through an entire life time.

I find it hard to believe that the Engineers with such high IQ’s would participate willingly in sacrificial behavior. In fact I find that it is a defect with the movie. Logic dictates that an Engineer with perhaps a few hundred thousand world vocabulary would not be a simple functionary for sacrificial seeding of a new world. It would be just as easy to do it with a kind of technology that not require any Engineer to give their life.

I also know from studying complex relation ships in as it relates to the behavioral sciences that individuals will participate in complex behaviors even though they know that they are harmful to themselves. They will often willingly participate till it kills them.

However, generally an individual will not sacrifice themselves when there is absolutely nothing to gain by killing themselves. Having stated this I find the depiction of the sacrificial Engineer so misleading that there has to be another mechanism so complex that overrides how we are comprehending the relationship between Elders and the Engineers. 

I know this for a fact that molecular biology is extremely complex as it relates any behavior that an organism can express. I believe that the Elders have created the Engineers to do work as it relates designing and building weapons of global destruction.

The Elders have designed the Engineers DNA that gives them another more complex type of control over the Engineer’s behavior.

We may think it trivial to use bees as an example but many millions of bees will work until they die of exhaustion so that a queen will survive in a way to pass on it’s DNA

to another queen. I think this is the same type of relationship here with the Elders and the Engineers. The Elders have complete control over the Engineers. The Engineers comparatively make us look extremely inferior as it relates to understanding science yet the Elders are advanced enough that even the Engineers cannot but do as they been designed to react to what the Elders have built them to do.

An organism cannot display or have behavior that is not part of their DNA or learned through their environment. 

@Redant

You are well versed in these topics!

I stated, as a sciencefictional theory that \"at least\" the ship should be capable of FTL travel by means of propulsion or any other means, the fact that they have some sort of \"hibernation pods\" tells us that they haven\'t created the elusive \"wormhole\" travel, ok, maybe the Derelict is a standard model and they reserve the wormhole tech for the ships of the elders. I have to review some physics concepts but I believe that mastering wormholes is another way of saying \"i\'ve a time machine!\" in the other hand the technology to scan every planet throughout a galaxy for habitability or life is a non-trivial problem to any kind of civilization.
I\'ve read some studies on psichology, and i\'m fascinated by neurobiology and AI, but I am at a verly low amateur level... nonetheless, I intuitively had arrived at the conclusion that any given person is limited somehow by the symbols in their brain, being this simbols in majority words, and the rules aroun that words that makes up their languages. But in the case of people that has inhabilities for common speaked language like deaf or mute people, the development of symbols in their minds is comparable to normal people somehow existing and interacting with us they are able to reach us and even surpass us in certain areas were an internal language is not limiting them, like if they were more sensitive in many ways. Wich only is proof of what you say, but I wish to add that the higher IQ does not imply higher wisdom.
What I want to say with this is that as we cannot begin to understand their level of Intelligence, either can understand their level of wisdom. Could we infer that the elders are the wisest of all engineers? or they are the highest level of their politic class? We do know how politics have made use of sacrificial behaviour in our societies. It makes sense that a creature of higher IQ, higher Wisdom and higher technologhy would not sacrifice itself willingly without something to gain, and this leads us to wonder What were the alternatives given to the poor sacrificial engineer?... wich can lead to dirty political tactics like extortion or persuation or... even brainwashing and DNA manipulation to modify his behaviour (way too cool).
I believe strongly that the idea of Ridley was to \"hey, we exist because of the giant that sacrificed himself, but it was only to make you wonder who created him\" and the sacrifice is the religious content of the message, but also like the idea of the Elders being the real engineers and the sacrificial and the pod-awakened ones being mere DNA programmed citizens that follows only what they are programmed to do (like the krypton society of Man of Steel).

I think everything that prometheus portayed was amazing, cosmology, gnostic theism, annunaki etheral dna astronaut engineers etc.. I am a massive fan of giger and alex gray.  I thought the dialogue and scene detail in prometheus was lengendary and like all true film works, went relatively un acknowledged.  

I think it would be a shame if there were not elephant space man styled creators or sub aliens that were some how involved or at war against the astronauts that were explored in prometheus1.  Lets face it, the space piolt in the fist alien move was 4 times the size of the engineers we see and you realy have to squint your eyes to imagine a space suit on that one...

I think everything that prometheus portayed was amazing, cosmology, gnostic theism, annunaki etheral dna astronaut engineers etc.. I am a massive fan of giger and alex gray.  I thought the dialogue and scene detail in prometheus was lengendary and like all true film works, went relatively un acknowledged.  

I think it would be a shame if there were not elephant space man styled creators or sub aliens that were some how involved or at war against the astronauts that were explored in prometheus1.  Lets face it, the space piolt in the fist alien move was 4 times the size of the engineers we see and you realy have to squint your eyes to imagine a space suit on that one...

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Excellent posts and ideas here.

I still have a sneaking suspicion that at least some of the Engineers are some kind of clone or vessel bred for one purpose, to deliver life via his or hers body as we see in the opening scenes of Prometheus. Who or what created or invented this powerful system is anyone's guess. Perhaps a higher class of Engineers, perhaps a wholly different life form.

I had an idea that perhaps a breakaway group of Engineers had perhaps mutinied, and went against the grand plan. Perhaps their plan was to wipe out terraformed planets, perhaps their plan was to destroy their own creators.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Ridley has in store.

@giger84E.L.P

I support your appreciation of such an excellent film. Thanks to Ridley's ability to mix busisness and the finest vision of art it is that we have Prometheus and a whole new universe to expand our sciencefictional and conspirational minds!
Do you think they had the size of the engineer inside the first derelict wrong?
I think the size was a real challenge on the making of prometheus... and also think Ridley would have make em bigger, like two times and a half an average human... really imponent creature.

@brego

I really liked that idea of they wanting to destroy their creators, perfecting the black goo... and we (i mean miss Shaw) in the same track as them... repeating them.
Maybe we were developed by them and the black goo is a test, if we survive we become their new soldiers, they maybe expect us the supposed survivors of the black goo attack to follow them in their wars... super intersting.

well there is a lt of interesting ideas that can be explored and hopefully answered in Paradise.

The OP touched upon a massive set of questions....

1) Why create us.. and look at how long that process had taken, the Sacrificial Scene  looks like it is set many Millions of years ago.  To me it shows that the Sacrifice was needed to allow the mixing of the Engineers DNA and Substance in the Bowl to allow this new compound to mutate and evolve basic cell lifeforms on Earth to Evolve into complex life.

The World had Water, it had plant life and that cannot occur without basic Organic Life... with no bacteria there can be no algae, without that there cannot be more complex but still simple life, which means no CO2 which means no trees and grass.

Ridley said these Engineers visited Earth over and over and each time they had upgraded our DNA, this confirms the Sacrificial Scene did not produce Mankind  right away. It kick started Evolution and these Engineers had to come back at certain points to then further interfere with certain aspects of Evolution.

Eventually this leads to Mankind and the movie via the Ancient Civilisations and clues from the Cave Painting, the Sumerian and Egyptian ones and Aztec etc... All seem to point that these Engineers visited, evolved and taught mankind stuff over thousands of years.  And that there visits that mankind had then interpreted as being visits from Gods.

This is a lot of effort for the Engineers, it would appear that mankind was taught by them and that we worshiped them.  For what purpose for what Agenda?

To simply from day one create a Humanoid like them so they can experiment on us with the Black Goo and Xenos, seems such a long fetched way of doing things.  why teach us stuff?

Maybe they created us and then captured some of us to take back to LV 223 to run experiments on?

But surely for such a advanced race the process had taken so long over Millions of years that such a reason would make little sense.

Surely there was a faster way to create something in their image to then test upon...

Ridley hinted that it was something we did 2000 years ago that offended the Engineers,  that mankind was behaving badly and in a way that these Engineers never intended for us and they sent down emissary but we crucified him.

Yes maybe the Jesus was a Engineer is a Red Herring but the whole movie is going the route that the Bible God etc is not God and is merely based off Gods who are these Engineers and how things got misinterpreted and changed over time, thus the tales like the Sumerian Annunaki evolved to the one God of the Bible and Koran.

So basically Ridley was hinted that these Engineers watched over us, and it was our actions that then angered them and they wanted to then wipe us out.

Look at LV 223... Why Teraform? Why the Head Statue?

The Engineers have advanced Tech that allows them to breath in Space, we see the Engineer was able to survive out on LV 223 surface, we see that the Xeno can survive without the Atmosphere mankind needs, even mutated Fifield was able to survive without his Oxygen etc...

This shows me the Temple Complex was maybe Terraformed to support Humans but why?

It would appear we was created for a purpose, we was taught and upgraded over thousands of years, maybe LV 223 was being Terraformed to support Humans, maybe because Eventually they wanted us to go there, or maybe because over time they had taken some of us to LV 223, to conduct experiments or even upgrades on us.

2) We need to look at was our creation even known by the Engineer Hierarchy on Paradise, did they order it. And if they knew about our creation why did they stop coming?

If they ordered the mission on LV 223 to wipe us out or upgrade us, then why did they not bother to check on the outcome of that mission, surely there was little or no contact to Paradise from LV 223 after the Out Break 2000 years ago.

Why would the Engineers or Elders on Paradise not want to finish the failed mission, did they want us to be destroyed or was it just a fraction on LV 223?  Did the Engineers and Elders on Paradise even know we was created, or was we created by rouge Engineers who then set up a outpost on LV 223 to monitor us.

These two questions are the main ones for Paradise they will form the basis of the movie, and the biggest one is as above....

If they knew of our creation, and knew or ordered for our termination, why did they not want to come check on the outcome of that mission and why have they not set back to finish the job...?

For this there has to be 3 outcomes and answers...

1) These Engineers/Elders on Paradise do not known what a breakaway fraction have done as far as Steal Fire to Create Mankind and then wipe us out....

2) These Engineers/Elders was part and knew of our creation but not our destruction, maybe a War broke out and one Fraction had tried to destroy the Elders so as that Paradise has nothing left or only a handful of Elders left after a rebellion. And the breakaway rebellious fraction then tried to gain control over Mankind for itself, but once thus failed they decided to try and wipe us out just as they did with their own creators.

3) These Engineers/Elders had known of our creation and ordered us to be destroyed at some point, but after two failed attempts, they realised that it was far too dangerous to try and wipe us out with the experiments they had on LV 223.

They instead decide to let us rot on Earth and end up destroying ourselves; they simply decide to ignore us as it was not worth the hassle anymore.  And they would know that surely Mankind would never be able to become a threat to them.

Should we ever be able to travel the stars and find LV 223 all that is left is death for us, and there would be no way we would ever be able to find Paradise.

With any of the above, we also then have to look at how these Engineers never came back and interacted with us after the events of Alien 3 etc... AS a lot would depend on when and if Shaw and David find Paradise and then how the Elders preserve them.

If they find Paradise and these Elders/Engineers or what is left, see us a a threat and want us wiped out, as they would be then know we have the ability to create Androids in our image who can translate and read the Engineers Language and also use their Tech.

These Engineers would know we found LV 223 and what is on that place, and that we also know how to fly their Bio Weapon Ships... surely even a Benevolent Faction of Engineers cannot allow mankind to be able to get their hands on the Weapons and Tech on LV 223 and would at the very least want LV 223 destroyed and maybe Earth....

This would be unless......

1) David and Shaw do not get to Paradise until after the events of Alien Resurrection

or

2) That either there is little left of these Engineers on Paradise and by the time David is finished they are all destroyed.

As far as Engineer Size......

This is a mega mistake by Ridley Scot and the biggest disapointment of the movie....

These Engineers are supposed to be related to the Space Jockey... The Space Jockey was intended to be 26ft long.... the one first shot shows it to be 23 feet long using child actors walking upto the 16ft Space Jockey Prop....

The closer shots showed us the Space Jockey to be no more than 16ft.

Along comes Prometheus which is a prequel and to show us the Race behind these Space Jockeys.... And we get them design them as Humanoids that look very Human to a degree.

Our Engineers are 15ft Tall, latter drafts they are 12-15ft and then the idea at shooting was to portray them as 10ft tall, as they may realised it would be tough to create a illusion of 15ft Engineers with the budget they had etc...

Come Prometheus shooting the idea for the movie is 9ft tall Race that are 10ft tall when in the Space Jockey Suits...

Sadly again for the same errors they had in trying to fool us the Space Jockey was 26ft in Alien... they fail to fool us the Engineers are 9-10 feet tall in Prometheus.

What we are left with is 7.5 to 8ft Engineer illusion... just as Alien left us with 13-16ft Space Jockey...

But.................. this can be fixed...

Engineers are similar to us, we are created in their image. Mankind can vary from 4ft to 8 feet Tall but on average we stand about 6ft tall.

Many Ancient cultures talk of Giants who stand over 15 feet tall, as well as God like beings who stand about 10ft tall.

Thus the Engineers on LV 223 could be a fraction of Humanoids created who stand about 7-10 ft tall.... And they could also had created a taller fraction who stand 12-18ft tall who they could then have as the Space Jockey.

They could create a illusion for real of 9-12 feet Elders by using the same camera tricky and effects that The LORD OF THE RINGS and HOBIT movies do, to make about 5.5 feet tall actors appear as about 3.5 feet tall Hobits...

Thus 7 foot Actors could be made to easily look 10ft+

Even smaller actors to appear over 8ft tall...

One of the things we are presented with at the start of Prometheus is that an Engineer had to put something into the environment where there is already life. What if that thing is what affects spiritual development. Hence some of the questions that are asked like, What happens when we are dead? Maybe the Engineers did not want an evolution of spiritual development, or maybe felt that they had lost control.

I wonder If Ridley Scott is up to date on the aspects of DMT , worth considering if you follow the link, and note the comment made about 5mins in.

DMT The spirit molecule

@BigDave

This is funny but I am gonna post it anyway. Remember the line from Alien, Ash "I think its safe to asume that its not dead".

Prometheus happens quite some time before Alien. I agree that not getting the Engineers height in line with the Space Jockey from Alien is discomforting to say the least. But lets face it Scott could have never gone with CGI and it could not have been pulled off.

I think its safe to asume that in the next film we might see a further evolved Engineer that is as tall as a space jocky. LOL we can only hope right!

@Everyone,

Could someone please post that theory it is too interesting of a concept not to discuss in a new thread, quite incredible really.

"if we evolve enough to pass the test of the black goo than we would become their new soldiers".

Too interesting to past this one up! It just fits good within the framwork of everything.

They cannot beat thier enemies if they cannot come up with something that is far enough evolved to be superior to their/our evolved DNA".

Fine work, it is something unexpected and a real strategy they would have to work out in order to understand their defences and weakness.....very interesting indeed!

I dont think so and if it is going to be shown maybe as an old fashion suit that they used to wear back when they were only a couple million years old then just like us they upgraded to a better suit. The height issue is moot and irrelevant at least to me because why the heck would Scott do a version of a version thats from a 30 year old movie?!.....Makes no sense IMO

"But lets face it Scott could have never gone with CGI and it could not have been pulled off"

CGI when done correctly and if its CGI overlay can be done very very well... Look at Jurassic Park and how old it is... its CGI is still better than many of todays CGI.. Transformers again fantastic CGI

The LORD OF THE RINGS and THE HOBIT shows that it can be done....

The Space Jockey is a Enigma to some still and while Ridley had always wanted it to be a Space Suit the size was as of even shooting intended to be a 10-15ft race....

Maybe Ridley would be lazy to not even explain that inconsistancy he has a habit of that, and its why i dont rate him as highly as a lot of people do.

But its as i have said they could give us taller Engineers and Elders by using Special Effects, and maybe the fact Ridley decided to not show the Elders and also cut down the Engineer scenes was because he wants to portray the Engineers on LV 223 differently and wants to keep the Elders on that ship a mystrey and revamp them...

Thus he could indeed have it our Engineers we see are merely a creation first created by a Taller Race of Elders who stand 12-15ft Tall who create 8-10ft Engineers in their image to perform certain tasks for the Elders, pretty much how Weyland created David.

What we have then is maybe these Elders use Engineers DNA to create life instead of having to seed their own, and maybe they wanted to create another race in Mankind, or maybe the Engineers created mankind to serve them and be used for such tasks that the Engineers was created by the Elders for.

This would make sense and could explain height differences...

But the Space Jockey could also be explained as a futher creation of the Elders for some other task, maybe they are hybrids maybe they are what happens when Engineers are mixed with Mankind i.e like the Nephilim and if Ridley is trying to losely tie in the story of the Engineers and Elders with Ancient Mankinds persception of Gods, then this could be used to explain such things as Og of Bashan and Goliath in that Goliath was a Engineer and Og of Bashan was the same breed as the Space Jockey.

But if Ridley would give us 7ft Elders and try to get us just to accept that the Space Jockey was just a bigger suit these 7-9ft Engineers would slip into, or get us to try and accept that the Space Jockey was same size as the Engineer in Prometheus and same Chair size, just it grew over time.... well if Ridley would be lazy like that... well i guess its not the first time he been like it and made mistakes on screen...

The Height issue is a very important aspect of what makes this film credible or not. 

Could you imagine in another instalment of an aliens movie if perhaps James cameron said hey lets save some money and make the little buggers a weee bit smaller like see. 

So then in Alines LOL they are only five feet tall...that sure would look stupid right those aliens attacking humans and they dont even come up to our sholders. We would have noticed that real quick.

So yeah it is a big deal and BigDave has been right all along. I am with you on this one all the way mate.

Cheers! LOL 7 foot tall engineers? whats next....we go to the home world of Paradise and Scott pulls our some bloody hand puppets...brilliant right save a ton a money. Do it right or dont do it all all.

Good work BigDave when you are right you are right!

To be fair to Ridley, i think the idea was all along 10-15ft Engineers.

We have to remember though that visually he has done a great job with a limited budget of $125M  compared to Avatar and $237M and look at Avengers $220M and while i think Peter Jackson Rocks and wish Ridley had gone the same route he did to make the Hobits to make our Engineers we have to remember he was given a Budget of $500M to make both Hobit movies, but with the Hobit costing $290M looks like total budget on both movies would come in at over $560M

Ridley wanted to shoot many other scenes but they had to be scraped as the Budget was not enough, i am sure he may have known that creating a bigger Engineer would have meant higher budget he never had, and thus he used his way of trying to create illusion of taller 9ft Engineers with some camera angle trickery....  But alas when we get to the close up scenes the illusion does not work, just as in Alien the illusion created by having Child Actors walk up to the Space Jockey prop was undone when they switched to the close up actors.

You cant knock Ridleys vision and ideas he likes on the big screen but he is a fan of using as much real time practicle effects and props as opposed to green screen and CGI, and i think the only real two flaws visually the movie had was the scale of the Engineer.

And Fifield, the CGI job looked like a last minute thing and while not bad, it was not as good as could have been and Ridley did like the actor Sean Harris work as mutated Fifield, only to me this looked more like Toxic Avenger, i loved the animatronic head they was working on but scrapped i think they could have done a mask that Sean Harris could have worn that resembled the unused Fifield and then used CGI over the top to enhance some parts of the scene.

I think the Engineers, for some reason, see the xenomorphs as a very valuable thing, and not just as simple biological weapons, and that piramyd looks like a cathedral dedicated to that being. I mean, they wanted to create somthing new, and our destruction was the first step to complete that purpose.

Who knows, maybe they have done this before (on another planet with humanoid like us) and the Space Jockey from LV- 426 is evidence of that.

It is interesting that when David is on the ladder he touches a green sticky biological residue before he opens the door to the chamber with all the vessels of biological weapons in them. We also see all the Engineers with the exploded chests that are clearly from Aliens.

I remember what the Predalien was capable of after it had escaped from the crashed space craft. It seemed like it had the mental capacities of a predator.

I think the Engineers were trying to escape from Engineer/Aliens. These Engaliens were very smart and powerful and could easily overpower the Engineers. I even think that these Engaliens could easy fly an Engineer space craft.

I would disagree that the engineers see the Xenos as a valuable thing; but, not for the reasons that you would assume. I think the Engineers do not really like something that could easily kill them and they have no power to do anything about it.

This is a part of the movie that is really making hard to defend the better parts of this film any more. I just will not defend this film anymore as in the past. I find it hard to believe that these Engineers are so smart they can design the alien; however, they cannot defend themselves against their own creation. Then they make this big chamber with murals and all these other iconic symbols to show off their creations. I just cannot defend these horrible inconstancies in logic. 

It is true that for historical record we make museums. We do not actually stock the museums with working weapons of mass destruction ok. The Engineers did exactly that in that chamber which would be completely stupid. This is another plot hole so big you drive an Engineers space ship through it. The Engineers do not respect or even look at the Xenos as their great creation. Xenos are just a weapon to them nothing more. And please do not come back and say that they did this so that we would find it and get infected. Ok this is what I would say. You build a military base that has all these WMD's all over it and you put buttons all over the place so that when anyone get on the base they can just push a button and release the weapon. Parts of this film are just comple SHITE! absolute awefull stupid SHITE!

At best the image of the Xeno may lend only to its usefulness as an iconographic image like we would have an icon on a cell phone. It is there for basic reasons and not some elaborate deeper meaning. Just because you see some elaborate and fancy art like depiction of anything on an alien world you cannot assume that it means anything to them more than what it would mean to them. I will agree that the chamber serves a purpose for showing record of creation but I am not going to agree that the Engineers revere Xenos as some great thing that they praise. Unless any of you are willing to praise your synthetic stuff. Do you really love things that are just a means to an end. People say they love this and they love that. It is all bs basically. Your values change as you get older and so do naïve notions. Anyone still have comb from twenty years ago that they still use and want to put it in a museum case. This movie has great parts to it but a lot of this movie is complete shite. Scott did this on purpose when his budgets got dropped. So did the plot and all the other thinking to make a real film.  I like parts of this film. I do not consider this a complete working film because there are too many plot inconsistencies.

The engineers don’t like the Xenos any more than we like our tanks or jets. They put these sets together to put something together that is visually interesting and hope you don’t walk out of the film. They spread the special effects apart just enough so you feel like you got to see a real film.

" I find it hard to believe that these Engineers are so smart they can design the alien; however, they cannot defend themselves against their own creation"

This is not too farfetched the Engineers maybe very arrogant in their ability, and a creation could turn against them. something they would never think would happen because of pure Arrogance.

We could use two other movies for examples of such a thing..  The Planet of the Apes and its Origins the Rise of the Planet of the Apes, where Mankind carry out experiments on Apes to make them more Human and they succeed, and eventually they pay for there experiments when these Apes evolve to be as intelligent as Mankind and take over the World (Rise of the Planet of the Apes Part 2).

Another is Terminator, which started from Mankind created new AI and Machines and eventually these Machines gain a mind of their own and overthrow Mankind.

The movie I-Robot again similar.

And as far as Alien Franchise goes, whats to say that Androids like David cannot rebel against Mankind and a Army of Davids then go on to overthrow Mankind.

These stories all revolve around Mankind advancing in Tech and Genetics to create intelligent machines or primates  Only for it t back fire on them.

So there is no reason that the same thing could happen to the Engineers with the Xeno...

But looking at the franchise i would like to think that the rebellion of such is actually taking place when the Elders creation the Engineer decides to rebel against the Elders.

As far as the Xeno being worshiped and purely a Bio Weapon goes... Redant i think that we do not have enough pieces of the puzzle to make any conclusions as a lot does not add up i can see your frustration.

But i think thats because we have yet to find out the connection, there is a bigger picture going on and it has to do with why the Engineers are created and why Mankind was.

Its simply not a case of we was created on purpose for the purpose to be used to be host to the Xenos, or even use Xeno to harvest out DNA etc...

Because for one surely a advanced race has a more better way to harvest DNA than us a Xeno, i mean why not capture like hundreds of Humans and just feed them the Sacrificial Goo?

Also look at how long the process to create Mankind had taken, its not a case of a short period and we do not see Mankind pop out of thin air via the experiment or Engineer Sacrifice, nope while it seems mankind had evolved to what we are 70'000 years ago.  The Sacrificial Scene seems to be set many Millions of years ago and near Half a Billion.

Then we see how hazardous the Xeno is and how risky, i mean ask the Space Jockey, ask all those Engineers who died on LV 223 some 2000 years ago... This Organism is very hostile and hard to control and contain and all that risk to create such a thing and all that time to create mankind to use as hosts....

DOES NOT ADD UP....

There has to be more to this....

It could be that the Engineers/Elders had lost the ability to procreate, it could be that at some point a Engineer had came into contact with something they found that Face Hugged one of them and they then carried a Xeno related Embryo thus the Engineer was pregnant to a degree.

Well it carried a Organism that birthed from it, and this in some perverted way and twist of fate made the Engineers look at this as some kind of Miracle as they had lost the ability to birth a child.

Maybe they started to Worship this Life Cycle, but not as a God, many religions worship and hold some animals as Sacred and some as pure Sacrifice.  The Engineers could see the Xeno as Indians see the Cow.

These Engineers like to dabble and experiment and i think they then attempted to carry out a all manner of experiments on the Ancestor to the Xeno. Maybe they even got there Bio Tech from off this Organism.

As i have said we do not know the full extent to what is going on in this franchise, i refuse to believe that the Xeno/Deacon is some kind of God to these Engineers, maybe they worship it?

But to me the Mural is a sign to the Sacrifice of a Organism to create something new and so not God, but a Mural to show how this Organism plays a massive part in the Evolution of the Engineers or their Agenda.

re size..... take note from The Lord of the Rings Ridley. Forced perspective aint that difficult.

One of The Engineers quickly offered itself in order to fertilize  that planet. Quickly because one of the crue members get down to the planet, did it and the spaceship get away right away. Nobody wants to die like this,but in that ship they didnt have time for A REASON. They didnt have alternative, no time to waste-they HAD,they NEEDED to do that (fertilize) and the quickest way was somebody to sacrifice. The Prometheus get punished by Gods - Farthers - Rulers for giving the fireto people, Jesus sacrifised himself in order to offer eternal life to people. Both they help people, they think they help.

Prometheus - a member of Gods community- step away from the rules of the Gods,they thowhim AWAY from the community. This spacecraft -I THINK according to that analyses- they are seperted engineers, they step away from the rules of their society and fertilize the planet -earth?- . So, when the engineer later in the movie finds out the rebellion on earth, wants to reach earth maybe to see the human race, deside if it is worth living or to distroy it.

But this narrative follows that this Engineer ALREADY desided to erase Human race because he ALREADY saw that there is violence (Somebody hit the woman scientist which is SEXISM). So,not only human race is ILLIGAL (madeby some engineers rebels), but the outcome was a VIOLENT RACE that hit one another!