Queen eggs? Hammerpede eggs? Or something else?

The Deacon clearly could not have inherited the capability of egg laying from human beings, some other creature is responsible for that and as the only hermaphroditic creatures in the film, I think it is safe to say that the worms are enough of a clue to lead one down a path.

Well my basis for that idea, is well the Goo if it was derived from something connected to the Xeno, we do not know how this could affect a Organisms Reproductive System. And hints are the Engineers have no Sex. So it does not have to conclude that it would be impossible for the Deacon to be able to procreate by producing Embryos and as its part Human it could be female, but the Xeno DNA could allow the Eggs to become Xeno Embryos well the Embryo similar to what Shaws Baby implanted into the Deacon. As far as Prometheus and Alien connection goes again here is where Lindeloff and Ridley contradict each other a lot... Lindeloff does hint that the Xeno origins could have something to do with Prometheus, yes the Worms could be a good explanation and the Silica etc.. Lindeloff also said that he always thought the Original Xeno had Human DNA, well something about connection to Human. Now we all know the Alien and Aliens Xenos had Human DNA maybe because the Face Hugger Embryo takes on traits of its Host, thus Alien 3 would have Dog/Bull DNA etc. But Lindeloff i think is hinting in the Origins containing Human DNA and thus not a case of a Xeno has Human DNA because it gestated inside Human Host. So yes it could hint to some connection to the Deacon and Hammerpede... But then Lindeloffs explanations to most things he works on simply defy what we see on screen and make no sense at all..... In this case things could make sense yes! However the movie has a Fresco of the Traditional Xeno holding Traditional Egg, and a Mural of the Deacon and Engineer being Face Hugged by some Face Huger that is not like the traditional one, but also not like Shaws Baby.... But these dont have to mean the Xeno was around in past, it could be a prophecy a depiction of things to come. Now Ridley has made comments that appear to lead us down the path the Xeno is much older than Prometheus, he said the Derelict had landed on LV 426 with its Cargo around a few hundred years of the events of the LV 223 Outbreak thus what 1800-2200 years ago? He also suggested the Xeno Organism as Ancient, and one of his latest interviews he hinted he would like to had done a Alien 5 and he would have set it on the Xeno Home world... Ridleys comments to me suggest the Xeno is old very old, and he even went on to say the Deacon was a Evolution. So thats where confusion occurs as Ridley and Lindeloff dont seem to be on the same page as in there explanations. Spaights however implies the Xeno or its ancestor is a Organism the Engineers came across and that they then dried to reproduce and Re-Engineer it in many forms as a Bio Weapon.

@BigDave; I agree with you about the contradictions! Very confusing!

Yes it is all over the place too many creators taking it in different directions. This is what disappointed me most -I though ridley had all the ideas in his head from alien to part 3 of prometheus and beyond but it seems hes been winging it -hardly a 30 year build up that most of us were looking forward to.

Well Ridley is waiting to start work on Paradise he has other projects at the moments and maybe they are looking for Writers if they have not already done so... You see the thing is maybe when Ridley talked with Spaights they had ideas of what would follow Prometheus, Spaights seemed to had used his draft to explain to a great degree the Xeno connection and would leave a 2nd movie to explore the Engineers and why we was created etc. You would assume that while Ridley was talking with Lindeloff that had flashed out a few ideas of where they would want to take the Story next, which is Paradise the place these Engineers came from. But maybe they have allready discused what will happen, well the back bone of the plot...? But then depends on who they bring in to do any drafts and how many people work on it as we can see from Prometheus that there is a fair number of differences from Spaights to Lindeloffs work and also some things are similar. So who knows how much of a influence on the Xeno and Engineers etc and more clues we get, we shall have from who ever is chosen to work on any draft for Paradise.

Did you see the art of prometheus book at the end ridley says : " I am thinking what the hell I do for prometheus 2 " . Reading that my jaw just dropped ...there was me thinking ridley and maybe others had had this whole plot planned out and had padded it out over 30 years. Were as reality is they are making it up as they go along and it shows.

I have no problem with that because hes not George Lucas but hes trying the best he can for todays highly distracted audience. Its hard for a normal teen just to pay attention to anything lasting more than 30 seconds. Thats why when I saw the Prometheus movie back in June 2012 when it was released, the kids came out all confused and with dumb looks on their faces. I NEVER left the theater wondering anything since I study ancient myths and history it never bothered me at all. The space jockey I always suspected that they are aliens with suits on and merging technology with there own bodies when they go and fight.

Bada-bing bada-boom

I am loving this thread guys! Great thought processes! Juggernaut picks up huge silo, just like Thunderbird 2, said silo filled with colonial marines, engineers, a Queen, a newborn, some AVP bastardised Aliens and Predators, Brandywine producers and various franchise directors who have been morphed by the organic fallopian walls and dumps the cargo on Fox studios! Seriously though, I would love to see that unused Giger concept in a sequel!

They're entirely different species. The hammerpedes do not lay the eggs, and they're not xeno's. The queen xeno is an invention of Cameron's, not Scott's, but rather than choose one or the other, I'd welcome both. Originally, the eggs were people, which the xen breks down in cocoons transforming them into the eggs. In this way, it was a much more self-sufficient creature--"the perfect organism" as the android in Alien said. A queen was a good idea for some fun, but the other idea is scarier. They both might exist if there are "natural xeno's", and "genetically engineered xeno's", each with different characteristics. The eggs on the crashed ship would be some of the latter, engineered to be "super-xeno's". This also shows a little by how much bigger the original xeno was. Not as big as a queen, but very big. As for the xeno's age, I think there is no reason to think they are the first aliens in any way. Bacterial life was probably first, and xeno's can still be ancient if you want.

Not sure i agree on all points there.... There is no proof that the eggs come from hosts being morphed apart from the DC cut, now thats not to say thats how the Derelict Eggs came to be, but then its not to say it cant be either. Giger had the simplest answer, that was the Ship made them.... The Star Beast Script did hint that maybe the Urns was created by some process that the Star Beast tried to do in the script (Egg Morph) As far as Perfect Organism as far as to procreate, well Egg Morph is not a perfect way for a Organism to reproduce... The Queen is. But here is my best theory, while we do not know how and where the Eggs came from, a Queen can lay the same Eggs.... When a Xeno Organism is in a area all alone with no other Xenos, then it goes through the process of Morphing a Host into a Larger Egg then Cacoon another Host to be the victim for a Queen Face Huger. Thus producing a Queen... This is similar to how a Ant and Bee can my taking different care of a Egg change this Egg to produce a Queen if needed as opposed to a Drone or Worker. Thus kill of a Ant/Bee colonies Queens.... And the Workers can evolve a Egg to produce another just procreate their species still. PERFECT PROCREATION...

@bigdave I like your point of the canisters turning into eggs. I think the canisters were designed to leak for some reason. Perhaps they were triggered by the opening of the door . I doubt that a race like the engineers would design something that would just leak. I've always believe that they were left as a type of body trap. Perhaps the canisters contained nanos. When they leaked (by being triggered) the nanos would search out for material to consturct eggs. With the hope or intention of expanding the kine or simply killing of intruders.

Well its not my idea lol.... I actually do not like this idea, i was referring to the Urns in Star Beast Script not Prometheus as at the end of the day it depends what we use as reference. Here is a overall idea of the Eggs/Urns. Star Beast .... Face Huger Type Octopus Organisms come from within Leathery Jars/Urns that are not ceramic but Organic with Markings on them. The Organism Cycle is same as Alien... The Star Beast had a scene where it Morphed someone into a what was similar to the Leathery Urns that the crew called Spores.. Alien... The Alien Final Draft was similar to Star Beast (as far as Organism goes) only the Leathery Urns was now Eggs (lose the markings and symbols that the Star Beast Urns had), the Organism had changed in appearance but still same life Cycle and again there was a Egg Morph Scene. Aliens... invented the concept that a Queen can lay Eggs, it does not mean that a Queen laid the Eggs on the Derelict or that Egg Morphing is thus ruled out... the two could still occur. Prometheus we get the Urns pretty much like Star Beast but not organic but ceramic and we get no Organism inside just a Substance that seems to be able to pass on traits of the Xeno Organisms... Now Prometheus confuses the franchise further... it does not answer how the Alien or Eggs came to be and indeed could give clues but also counter clues that makes the whole connection well, ambiguous and to be honest was there really a explanation.. nope! Gigers ideas and concepts was a simple approach, he also gave the Xeno be that Alien or Aliens that famous look and also the Bio Tech look we see throughout the franchise. Will we get a explanation? To me Ridley has hinted answers already, he for one seems to point to Eggs being on the Derelict, he also mentions if he had chance to had done a Alien 5 he would visit the Alien Home World. Does he mean the Xeno? Does this imply its not a creation of the Engineers or that goo? Or at least its Origins was not. When we look at the Deacon in crucified pose, and how the drafts the Sacrificial Engineer took same pose. Along with the altar in original form had the sacrificial bowl and not the green crystal. Not to mention the Xeno Fresco holding a Egg... Points to me that the Goo is actually obtained from Sacrificing the Xeno or its Ancestor to create something new.

Ya if those canisters can turn into eggs then maybe also David has been compromised by the goo but it just takes a little longer! Talk about thinking out of the Pandoras box...or like oozing out of the brain can. (Smoke Intermission) [img]http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/17818000/ngbbs4909f431716aa.jpg[/img] [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QUqJQOZsqf8/T1f0v5Npe5I/AAAAAAAAHbI/1GrQkQKGicQ/s1600/Star+Beast.jpg[/img]

The Question is will we ever find out? I recon Ridley would be forced to at some point, if not then someone else could come along and explain the Origins in a Prequel to Prometheus and have the Origins as something that Ridley would turn in his grave over. But he had said that any sequels to Prometheus would steer further from Alien, now it depends how we look at that comment. Yes we are bound to concentrate more on the Engineers, the Elders and where they come from etc. But what does he mean steer away from Alien because the only connection Prometheus had was the similarties to Engineers and Space Jockey and Derelict and Jugernaught. The only thing Xeno related was clues via Mural and Fresco and they was vague at the least, and the Baby Face Huger Squid that Shaw had, the Deacon that came from it and the Hammerpedes was all connected to the Urns and Xeno in some way. If to steer clear means no explanation for the Mural and why they worshiped that deacon or the purpose of it and the frescos, and by the Goo and its connection to the Xeno. Does that also imply we would never get those answers as well as the Alien Eggs ones and also never see the outcome of what becomes of the Hammerpedes or Deacon? Unless he purely means the Xeno itself there would be no more clues.... Which does not mean we would see the Goo in action as he hinted that David would be bringing Hell with him and thus Goo on the Juggernaut perhaps? Only way to show the Goo and explain it further with no links to Alien and Xeno would be if those Eggs and Xenos was a byproduct of the Goo and experiments with it, which the deacon is also one such result. Who knows..... But i do hope we get some answers to suggest that the Goo either predates the Xeno and Eggs or that the Xeno and Eggs predates the Goo.

"maybe also David has been compromised by the goo but it just takes a little longer!" Well when saw the trailers and scenes of David saying Big things have small beginnings and the one shot of the Engineer standing above Shaw where we only saw the Legs etc... I thought thats surely to small for a Engineer/Space Jockey, and we have to remember back then the trailers showed little of the Engineer, only the suited Pilot shot and a quick one when the Canon/Pilot Chair rose up and we made out the Bald Blue Guy walking to it. At this time, i did wonder if David wanted to be more Human, like Pinocchio, and that somehow he used the goo or maybe something else happened that he got his wish and he became part Machine and Part Mortal David would still been near immortal like the Engineers, just part synthetic and part organic... But his price for this... ultimately he gets it off Shaws Baby Squid and thus he births the first Xeno... Part machine and part organic the Bio Mechnoid Xeno... I still thin it would been a good plot point, but ultimately that never happened. Even more so had it done so, then it would have led to a direct prequel i.e David being the Space Jockey.... But size difference aside (but even that is same with Engineers) Alien seems to point to the Eggs being there for thousands of years or more and thus having David as Space Jockey would made little sense same way i feel the Hammerpedes and Deacon do not lead to the Xeno. Ridley also said that the Eggs was there for thousands of years. But yeah as you said in your comment, i did think before the movie came out that David became part organic. But who is to say that this cant happen in Paradise? The Elders grant him this gift, or he either steels this gift or forces the Elders to grant him it.

@ BIG DAVE took me awhile to read your post there. Will we ever know? Turning over in the grave for sure might have something to do with it. I can almost hear space slurping. It's like writing a bunch of verbal vomit from your mind then loosing it cause you took too long writing it and didn't save when you posted! As to quote with a whisper Bob Ross the painter "Happy little mistakes, and God Bless". That thing with Shaw and her spawn...is there more to come from that. What is the purpose of those Bacons, I mean Deacons. What the hell is a Deacon? Do they have something to do with Dinosaurs? Will it grow a tail and tubules. I also would agree that Hammerpedes and Deacons not leading to Xenos due to the difference between the Derelict and the Engineers in Prometheus. Based on the assumption that the Garden is timeless, perhaps there aren't any Elders but something else.

@Mister Ruhaniya Never quite got your post lol... yeah i do bable on and it takes hard work to read my posts lol But yes as far as Turning in Grave goes... I do think Ridley would want to answer the questions in time, he may not spoon feed us but he would not leave it ambiguous and thats because he lost all control of how the sequel to Alien went because he was no part of it. If he does not give enough clues to put to bed the Xeno Origins then the door is open to be exploited by Fox in future.... by that we have been given enough clues now to more than not show us the Space Jockey was a Space Suit and inside is a Humanoid being. Ok size differences aside but thats what the aim was. If we do not get answers by the time Ridley has finished, then there is no stopping Fox in 10 years time 15 years to make a Alien Prequel that could go anyway to explain the Xeno, it could even have it that the Predators Mated with a Engineer and produced the First Deacon that produced the Xeno Eggs... Absurd as above sounds, if no answers are given even if not spoon fed, then anything is left open to be answered as Fox would know as long as the Xeno is a Mystery there is money to be made by answering it in future. Will we see what happens to the Deacon and Hammerpedes? Or was they just a plot device to show us a connection between the Goo and the Xeno. You see as of end of Prometheus LV-223 is still left standing, the Temple is there, the Deacon the Hammerpedes and as David said many more Juggernauts. Now we got a Shaws SOS and the Company would surely wonder what became of Prometheus and also known of the LV 426 signal and if they went to discover it they would no doubt also find Shaws. So a lose end is LV 223 in the Alien universe, which leaves the place to be explored but ultimately it has to be destroyed by the Time Alien/Aliens comes around as why waste time with LV 426? When LV 223 is more habitable place with more rewards.