New Alien Movies

[i]Stop trying to be creative and make up new sh*t.......invent new aliens......and new worlds.....and other bullsh*t that does not pertain to the original! -Jarhead Michael[/i] They didn't make up anything new, Ridley Scott simply wanted to tell the story of the Space Jockey instead of the Xemomorph. The space Jockey was in Ridley Scott's original movie "Alien". [Center][b]Original Space Jockey[/b][/Center] [Center][IMG]http://i43.tinypic.com/o8gfab.jpg[/IMG][/Center]

Okay, I buy the space jockey story.......but please explain the aliens in Prometheus! Terrible. Yes, horror/sci fi fans probably love this movie. Great! As an Aliens Fan though, just awful!

What other aliens?? The Deacon? That creature is basically understood to be the precursor to the Xenomorph we know today, a first step in it's evolution if you will. Ridley Scott explained he did not want to focus on the Xenomorph as we know it in this movie, instead he wanted to focus on the Space Jockey (The Engineers). Ridley Scott and Damon Lindelof have clearly stated that it is not an Alien movie-Its a parallel story within the same universe. [i]"During the creative process of Prometheus, all involved (that includes Fox and Ridley) had a strong desire for this film to launch off in its own way so that by the end, it would not connect directly to the original ALIEN, but instead run parallel to it. This is something that I talked about many, many times in the press burst around the release of the movie. As you probably remember, there was a lot of interest as to whether Prometheus was a "prequel" - the answer was, "Yes. Sort of. But if there was a sequel to Prometheus, it would not be ALIEN." -Damon Lindelof[/i] That quote was taken from this thread: [url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/news/669]Damon Lindelof talks truth behind Prometheus 2 rumors[/url].

Well said, Svanya. 'As a fan of Alien' I freakin Love Prometheus, dude! Wathing them chronologically is the greates thing ever, I promise you! Personally, i am so happy Prometeus brought something new to the table, while staying so true to the look, feel and slow build of the original. Ridley knows what you need-don't fight it.

Jarhead michael I created this thread ro help explain the relationship between prometheus and alien / http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/27017 Have a lopok at it

Well the Weyland Corporation should not have funded the expedition in Prometheus then.....I'll take in that it is a parallel story in the same universe, telling the story of the space jockey.....blah, blah, blah. I just don't want any part of "Alien" in Prometheus then! Let's get real, Alien was a sci fi success and a classic but that is not what made the franchise so popular and Ridley Scott was only part of it.

I don't want this to turn into a negative thread. I am most certainly a sci fi nerd at heart and a die hard Aliens fan. I speak on behalf of my friends, family, and fellow fans of the franchise that want to see certain things in the movies. Growing up with the movies, toys, and comics, we have done much research and spitballed ideas of what we think fans would want to see. We were just crushed by what Prometheus was, too much hype and nothing of what we waited for years to see. I am not alone on this and I hope Prometheus 2 or whatever it's called will be improved.

@Jarhead Michael; No worries, everyone is allowed an opinion here. There isn't going to be anything from "Alien" in the story, "Prometheus 2" is going to follow David and Shaw in her search for who the Engineers are. Also, Ridley Scott is a huge reason why "Alien" was so amazing, he took the time to listen to Dan O'Bannon and H.R Giger's ideas and respected their artistic input. I suggest you watch this documentary: "The Beast Within: The Making of Alien", it's linked within this thread, in 3 parts-[url=http://www.prometheus2movie.com/community/forums/topic/16891]Sci-fi/Alien documentaries[/url]. It details the making of the movie and has interviews with Giger, O'Bannon, most of the actors and Ridley Scott. It's an amazing documentary. I totally feel you, a lot of people were disappointed, myself included, and a common thread is that is we all understood it was going to be an"Alien" movie. One thing I did do that really helped was to watch "The Furious Gods- The Making of Prometheus" to see what the creative process was, I recommend it. :)

@jarhead michael please dont insult the might of Prometheus and all that hype that the hardcore people speak about was their own HYPE! Like what Svanya said we all have our opinions here but dont bash a movie because YOU and you're friends hated it!

You gotta love the haters because without them we wouldnt feel so damn good!

If I hear one more whining about the Alien Im gonna go nuts with frustration its like dealing with a religious person and then explaining science to them, it never works!

There's nothing left to explore there ... Why do you want to see the same thing over and over again??? ... For that you have tons of video games, comics and novels ... a whole expanded universe for the lovers of "Space Marines vs Zerg vs Preds" :p

shambs...I think I speak for many [i]Alien[/i] franchise fans when I say, and I think Jarhead Michael agrees, that since the first film in 79'many of us feel the resulting sequels gave diminishing returns and as fans, that's troubling and bothersome. We all have our feelings about the four sequels, that includes [i]Prometheus[/i] and ignores the AVP experiment, but many of us feel that there's always been great potential in this franchise that HAS NOT been realized since [i]Alien[/i] and we have every right to hope for even a glimpse of what we've felt in our first blush of experience in this world created by Dan O'Bannon, Ronald Shusett and Ridley Scott. What's so wrong with that?

And even beyond that, as a fan of cinema, given the masterpiece that [i]Alien[/i] is, I have every right to think, expect and hope that maybe...someone has the creative sense to tell a decent story with the proper atmosphere resulting in a film worthy of respect. And that goes for any film not just a film in the [i]Alien[/i] franchise. I am so sick and tired seeing how little Hollyweird cares about solid storytelling, quality filmmaking, etc. Thank God for a rare gem, and I can even say Masterpiece, like [i]Gravity[/i]. I was so hopeful that [i]Prometheus[/i] would be of that caliber and I was sorely disappointed. As a fan, all I have is that hope and there's nothing wrong with it.

Annunaki50......I have faith.....there something wrong with that?

@craigamore Thank you! Your opinion and statements were respectable and defined well.

@Annunaki50 Don't attack me by saying I'm whining! You wouldn't know a good scifi movie if it bit you in the ass!

@Svanya Thank you. I will hold out for Prometheus 2. @All Here is the brutal truth and the official idea of what a true Alien sequel should have: Let's be honest with ourselves, Alien and Aliens were the only successes of the franchise! Alien because it was an entirely new idea and Aliens because James Cameron is a genius and ran with the idea of the Xenos and Colonial Marines doing battle. The Marines are the only reason why the franchise became so popular with all the merchandising to follow.

@All Continued. (Official idea) There needs to be a sequel that continues the story of the Weyland Corporation, Colonial Marines, and the Xenos. That's what fans have always wanted. "Give the Weyland Corporation their biological weapon and have it released in a testing phase on a population on earth, with Marines as a Quick Reaction Force or a Disaster Relief Unit. Let these Marines contain a relative of Hicks or Apone or Hudson. Stay away from the CGI and use all the ideas that Cameron used and just expand them." -These ideas would sell! They could have made an awesome Aliens game with Colonial Marines, but they half-assed it and everything was a huge failure! -These things can be fixed.

[quote]These ideas would sell[/quote] Yes! Like the garbage that makes Michael Bay. Just because something sells well does not mean it is of high quality. Also, Ridley Scott's style has nothing to do with Cameron's militaristic thing. Plus ... I don't like the idea of seeing the xenomorphs as mere cannon bait, that is not a biological weapon, is just another space bug concept ala Starship Troopers.

Anyway it all depends on the filmmaker's personal vision, and as apparently Ridley Scott will be responsible for the sequel, I don't think this will be a military action movie. I bet that will be something more philosophical and dark at the same time, because it goes in line with the premise of Prometheus ... but I could be wrong of course :p

@craigamore...I understand what you are saying, but...the focus of the author of this thread and yours are not the same, so that both are agree not mean that both have the same reasons for that. Anyway, I understand the disappointment of many fans, and obviously have every right to express them.

@shambs Your opinion is well noted. But I'm not talking about Prometheus 2......I'm talking about Aliens. In my eyes, Prometheus is already a failure and can not recover but I completely understand how many fans the story has created. Whatever you're thinking of, does not even come close to a story closely resembling Starship Troopers and space bugs. "BTW, if something sells in Hollywood, it does not need to be of high quality. It is just hard evidence that the customers enjoy it! Making $$$ by satisfying fans is the name of the game."

Okay, so you are waiting for Alien 5 or something like that? or a reboot, maybe?

The end of the day, where does the Alien Franchise go? We have seen the Xeno done to death, inc the AVP movies, we know we may get different forms of Xeno depending on the Host.... We saw how genetic manipulation of the Xeno genome can occur in Alien resurrection.... Staying Canon to Alien and not having Predators, where does Alien go from here? After AR, is there anything left to salvage? unless as latest Alien Game tries to show us, that the area around the Derelict survived the Nuke Blast from Aliens. The basis of Prometheus was a prequel and some Alien fans would have expected nothing less than finding out where the Xeno came from, and what happened to the Space Jockey.... But we already had some ideas of what happened, and Prometheus to a degree shows the Space Jockey and Engineers are a race who are highly advanced and possess high tech Bio Tech and conduct genetic experiments and manipulation. And that there is some connection with them and the Xeno, and that connection seems to be as purely a Bio Weapon. There was one other bigger question from Alien that no other movie had explored and that was who the Space Jockey was. Who was he, where was he from and what was he doing there with that Cargo.... Prometheus kind of gave us few answers to those... but has left many questions... and the questions relating to the Xeno maybe ones we wont get answers to. As seems Paradise will follow more in depth to who these Engineers are.... Now we have to assume they created us, but does that mean we are the only World they seeded? We see somehow they managed to produce a substance connected to the Xeno that creates and mutates life that is similar to Xeno in ways.... We can only imagine what other Horrors and Creations these Engineers the Elders and their creators have had their hands in. And to me thats more scope than revisiting the Xeno over and over.... I would not object to a Alien 5, after they have finished Prometheus Franchise... And i would not want Ripley to play a single part in it, it would have to be either set more in future than Aliens.... or maybe just maybe far far in the past....... in a far far away place.... But where do Humans come into it....... well are we the only Humanoid Life in the Galaxy? And what is to say these Engineers never visited Earth way in the past and took Humans to use to create colonies else where in the Galaxy?

I just came across this site and ended up in this tread. I got to say it is very reassuring see people so deeply involved in this topic. I love prometheus for what it brings to the table and the way it is provocative about our origins and somehow singularity in the universe, which will drive us to search for this ancient question "From where did we come", and hopefully, prometheus 2 will keep this pace. Having that in mind, the set for the first alien (A masterpiece indeed) have explored other ancient feelings, such as fear, claustophobia and other stuff. I got addicted to that and completely drawn to movies that can create such atmosphere, and that is Ridley Scott touch. A like a lot the comics that explore humans exploring the xenomorphs, specially the royal jelly as a miracolous cream that could cure about anything, cancer included. Aliens and space marines also brings a packed action appeal, but let's face it, the first Alien is unique.

Alien filmed in 1979 is a much better movie than Prometheus filmed 33 years later.

I agree that the original Alien and even Alien 2 was FAR better than the rest. There are a lot of alien movies that have come out since that aren't on the level as some of the early stuff too, but I think Prometheus was a pretty good film. 

 

I thought there are some good ones on this alien movies list. You can vote on them too which is pretty nice. 

 

I think the reasons for that is when you make a classic and a sequel thats equally as good, you set the standard and a bar that is raised so high that all that follow will have a tough task to eclipse the orginals.

The same goes with the Star Wars EP 1-3 compared to 4-6 and likewise 7-9 will most likely fail to do what EP 3-4 did.

Same goes with Terminator movies after 1+2 the same would be with if they did a Gremlins 3 and 4, a Ghost Busters 3-4 etc.

Sometimes to get around it people would re-boot a franchise instead as at least you can kind of avoid some of the hype...

i.e Amazing Spider Man vs Spider Man,  The Dark Knight series as opposed to 1990s Batmans, and pretty much like the Battle Star Galactica Serries etc. And new Superman movies.

I guess its pretty much why E.T has got a clause that they can never release a sequel or prequel so as to not tarnish the Orginal, just in case on the off chance any movie would not do justice or just damage the classic.