God Bothering!

Well gee whiz N4 don't post [i]too[/i] tough of a question! I think one clue is Weyland's ambitions, and his reasoning for deserving immortality, and the Engineer's response of "Why?". Plus, I think Ridley said " whatever they find, it's certainly not God." so there's another clue. If there is a central being, I personally don't think it will be God, but maybe something that has come in contact with a remnant of God, maybe the Goo? Something way beyond our ability to comprehend, and likely quite dark in nature. I think any Great Creator or it's residue would probably be something to keep well away from, not hostile but maybe not moral, either, at least as we imagine it. Now imagine something already powerful and hostile getting ahold of a few drops of such divinity. My guess is that is the god we'll see. The "do we create our own universes" question is a good one, it dovetails with the supposition that all was not as it seemed in Prometheus, though I don't subscribe to the " it was all a dream" theory. It all comes down to how deep they went in writing Prometheus, and how deep do they want to go with #2? That's part of the beauty of it, a clever writer can have a field day with that material.

Thanx for your reply Noob and very well worded! (Worded? Is that even a word?) I personally would be VERY disappointed if Ridley went down this road! It would be slap dash, lazy, and he would be setting himself up for a BIG fall! Most people would be furious with him, because people, in general, need something real. They need to know that life is real, not something that's untouchable, in somebody/somethings imagination. He should steer well clear of visiting god, in any of the sequels! Just don't do it!

Could you really reach god in a spaceship? That's really the question we should ask. Personally I don't think god is a physical being or at least not a being on this plane of existence. That being said I think Shaw will encounter someone or something claiming to be god or the high priest or prophet.

The god like being they're thinking of putting in the film will probably be a giant sized engineer kept in a special hyper sleep chamber permitting some interaction with the subjects through technical interfaces like what we see David using to read Shaw's dreams while she sleeps on the way from Earth to LV 223.

Something like they had in [u]Sphere[u], could be the righr apporach in my opinion--and scary![/u][/u]

Well thats the massive amount of potential we have, as we really dont know where they could go because there is so many possibilities. Ridley has hinted that the Engineers are not Gods, we knew that. He said they are not Gods in the literal sense such as immortal magical being in the Sky. The Engineers are just what we have interpreted as God. Ridley said he did not want to meet God in the first movie, this again implies the Engineers are not Gods, they are merely creations and servants of some higher being or race. So i think we will again not meet a God, what we would see even if just in clues is that the Engineers/Elders are creations of some other being or Race. What this being or race are, well who knows but i dont think they would be magical kind of beings and that they are just a far more Evolved and Advanced Race and they create via Scientific means... By that i mean like the opening Scene shows that Mankind may have been created as a result of the reforming or evolution and mixture of the Engineers broken down genetic material and basic bacteria on Earth. As opposed to how they was created by God in the Bible... Some of you are maybe correct as in the visual and audio clues in the movie could offer us big Clues.... Remember the Head Statue was referenced as God in the movie... could this be the image of what the First Creator looked like? Or just merely the head of the First Engineer or Sacrificial one... I be leave the Head Statue represents the Sacrifice of the Sacrificial Engineer to create us... Which then to me shows that the Deacon Mural could be the Sacrifice if what ever is depicted on that Mural to create the Xeno. But then they can be interpreted as a ultimate diction of a Goal, to create the Deacon via a process that starts with the creation of Beings related to the Engineers..... that being us.

I don't think its god (all powerfull creator of the universe ) but something(the beings who created the elders) maybe very close to him that maybe itself at some stage

What I believe to be one of the attributes of God is that he/it was not created but has always been and shall be. He was before the created universes and exists without space or place. The fabric of reality exists by Gods ever-present will. In reflection to the Engineers being like fallen angels...their God of course is not God but the devil himself. Who of course would like all to think that this devil-god is God but like Prometheus himself was cast down for thievery of knowledge. Which at this point I would like to relate a story I came across about how the devil tricked Adam and Eve in the Garden. While Adam was in the Garden (Which was not paradise but made from something like a paradise) Satan made Adam aware of decay and death, by which Adam in his self reflection became fearful of this. It's this fear upon which Satan prayed on Adams ignorance and whispered to him that the reason God did not want Adam to eat of the Forbidden Fruit cause it contained the knowledge of eternal life. And the rest is history. Adam's mistake was that he let the devil convince him that HE had more knowledge of the universe...yet it was only the devils jealousy of Adam for it is Adam himself who lives eternally through the creator of the universes of which the devil is furthest away. How do you wrap all this up in a Sci-fi movie? I have no idea! Good thing it's Sir Scotts movie.

One more thing: science has already progressed to the point where it is indistinguishable from magic, depending on ones point of reference. We always live in ignorance of the next innovation, technology becomes smaller and smaller until it becomes invisible. Some tech we possess today would look like magic 100 years ago. So, a being possessed of enough intelligence/ science could easily pose as a god, or be interpreted as one by a lesser form. Shaw, for example. Being hoodwinked is a thread that runs through Alien, Aliens, Prometheus etc. and I think some cruel revelations may await Shaw at the end of her journey. Put another way, Ridleys story could become somewhat blasphemous. It already kind of is.

@Ruhaniya. Where did you read this? Is it just me, or can other people see the similarities with that story and the relationship between David and Holloway? Quote-"Satan made Adam aware of decay and death."... David made Holloway aware of decay and death by spiking his drink with the black stuff. "by which Adam in his self reflection became fearful of this."... Holloway views his reflection in the mirror and becomes fearful of what he sees "Adam's mistake was that he let the devil convince him that HE had more knowledge of the universe."... Reminds me of the conversation that David and Holloway have before they land on LV223. "That's why they call it a thesis doctor" and all that. "yet it was only the devils jealousy of Adam for it is Adam himself who lives eternally through the creator of the universes of which the devil is furthest away."... David seemed jealous of Holloway maybe because David is "further away" (a robot.) Wow, I can defo see parallels there!

@Major Noob. You make me nod my head and smile bro!

N4- thank you! As do you, my friend, good to have you back. That last post was stellar. You're firing on 16 cylinders right now. Over a year later, Prometheus is still freaking me out, most recently thanks to you.

Mmmm Stella! My first and last choice of loopy juice! Good to be back and firing on 16 cylinders of stella artois (strong French lager) Hahaha Keep up the great work Noob! Cheers bro!

@MAjor Noob: I like how you used the word " Possessed!". perhaps there is a level where technology is magic. @Necronom $: This information came to me via Sufi Mystics...but I can't remember if I read it in a book or if they came to me from the Spirit realm and relayed it in a dream? It has just always stuck in my head. It definitely did not come from eating bacon or smoking some cannabis laced with Angel Dust! That would be like stealing

@ Mr R. Thanks for your input, I especially like the notion that the Engineers (Fallen Angels) are jealous of mankind. Let me run with that idea for a moment. Let us assume that god created the Engineers first and that they had some period of time where it was just them roaming the galaxy doing god's bidding and what not. Then along comes mankind. To me it doesn't matter for the purposes of Prometheus whether god created mankind directly or the Engineers created mankind. Let's assume, for whatever reason, god favors mankind over the Engineers. Some of the Engineers don't take kindly to this turn of events and rebel against the powers that be, and are cast out of Paradise and exiled to LV223. Since they cannot win a direct war against god, the Fallen Angels' next best option is to take revenge against god's new favorite creature - man. Perhaps the first effort to destroy mankind was by separating man from god by tricking man into worshiping these Fallen Angels/Engineers as gods. (This is not my original idea - read Milton's Paradise Lost). This may explain the visitations over the ages by the Engineers, and for a time the Engineers plan worked - man worshiped them as gods. What if what made them want to destroy mankind was the rise of monotheism in the 1st Century. Perhaps the abandonment of the old religions was the final straw, and the Engineers came up with a way to wipe out mankind completely via the black goo. Something went wrong, and the plan backfired on them, and destroyed all but one Engineer. Fast forward 2000 years -along comes David 8, a soulless being with an insanely high IQ who likewise feels put upon by inferior beings. David figures out what the Engineers were up to and gives the Engineers a helping hand by starting to carry out their original plan on a small scale with Holloway and Shaw as lab rats. However, if you remember that scene in the orery where David holds the hologram of the Earth in his hand, I shudder to think what he might have been contemplating at that moment. I do believe David expected the Last Engineer would treat him with greater kindness than humans, but what he did not count on was that the hatred of humans ran so deep in the Engineers . I believe the Engineer tried to destroy David simply because he was a human creation. Now we are left with David on board a ship presumably loaded with dangerous biological weapons heading for the Engineer Home World, and I don't think he's too fond of humans or Engineers at this particular moment.

Ridley Scott said this at his last interview : (It's from here.....http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/78235/Sir-Ridley-Scott-Reveals-Prometheus-Paradise-Sequel-Plans) "He also told how his version of God wouldn't neccessarily be an all good being like the biblical figure, telling the publication: "Because [the Engineers] are such aggressive f**kers, I always had it in there that the God-like creature that you will see actually is not so nice, and is certainly not God." So it's clear what has in his mind.........

Your correct the dialog that the members of Prometheus say are meant to reflect some answers.... Such as all comments including Shaws about the Sun being alone... And Fifield when he mentioned about the Head Statue is that God or something they worshiped... Ridley has hinted that the Engineers are themselves creations and that their is some other being that is God, but not God in the traditional sense and that this God like creature or being is certainly less Benevolent that the Engineers.