Prometheus 2 plot as I think it should be

getting back to what petro was saying and others after coming back to this site to check on the status of the p2 sequal. no predetors in this movie unless as slaves to the engineers. as far as aliens in p2 obviously they kill anything and have no brain all they want to do is kill anything in sight. so why would you have them running around next to you in paradise?? 

moving along after watching p1 a couple of hundred times over the past few years since its release and ofcoure immortals which came out right around the same time... paradise i would have it a peaceful place where the engineers are developing technologies beyond comprehension. i would have it so when shaw and david show up the engineers welcome them and david explains to them who and where they came from and what happened on prometheus. 

i think the engineer they woke up saw that they were beating the hell out of each other and was freaked out so he just killed them all and or was heading to earth to not kill the humans but to kill the ones that were infected or something like that. i mean in the beginning they are so peaceful and intelligent they made mankind by sacrificing one of their own only to create life on earth. when i saw this it blew my mind like they were "gods" or sent from the gods. 

moving along ridley scott has a real chance to make the next movie as good as the first one and not blow it and make it into some kill kill kill action packed boom boom like some kind of star ship troopers movie or something like that. 

the engineers shaw and son ran into were the military wing of the engineers, once they get to paradise then they will meet the ones that are noble and focused on the universe/creating life on planets. 

you never know they may be so advanced they have access to god himself? options are endless but like i said i hope he doesn't blow it and let me down. 

if you think about it i know i am raising alot of good points if they are so intelligent why after 2000 years the engineer was sleeping in the ship and lots of his buddies were killed or died nobody came to check on them? 

conversation with myself and interested in others commenting on my thoughts i believe they simply abandonded them and thought they were infected and no use or better not to check on them also because their operations are so big they can afford to lose some. besides how big is the universe? pretty big it is.

i want the next movie to be long as sh#$#%$ and extra f----ing good i want it to have me not move a milimeter like the last movie did when i was watching it. 

after saying all of this i could have came up with alot of good material for the last movie or better yet the next one. stay tuned as i did deep into the cranium over the next few months.

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Some interesting points... I will tackle some of them at a time

1)      The Aliens in Aliens was not as dumb as some suggest, their purpose is to procreate its kind and yes they was portrayed as like Ants. But what we actually saw was they was capturing Hosts for the Xeno Face Huggers, and they would kill some so that they have to do so to protect the Hive/Procreation of their species.

What did we see the Alien in Alien do? Just went around again killing people for no reason, only the deleted scene showed it captured 2 Host to procreate its kind. The Alien was stealthy.... because the environment suited it. And the crew of the Nostromo was not Militarily trained or armed well and other scenes show they had weapons but did not use them because the Xeno had Acid for Blood and they could not risk a Hull Breach.   But the Aliens in Alien showed they was Stealthy too hiding in the Shadows, they cut the lights and they also evaded the sentry guns by climbing along the ceiling space.

 2)      I don’t really see the Predators as a Slave Race, to me the Engineers come across more of a slave Race well pretty much Biological David 8s. I don’t think Prometheus movie will place Predators in the Franchise, but the Comic Books seem to indicate there is a connection.

3)      As far as the Engineers go, yes the deleted scenes added more depth and personality about their Race, they was Enigmatic and Majestic looking, especially the Elders. But Ridley is now hinting that they are not Benevolent at all, thats not to say they are Malevolent.

Maybe a way to look at it is Chickens, are we Humans Evil because of how we treat Poultry? Are we being Evil or good to then... their needs simply do not have any importance to ourselves apart from we require them as a Food Source, we are more advanced than Chickens and far more intelligent. And if we have some infection within the Farms or they have Bird Flu, what we do is we kill them all to stop the spread of the disease. Is that us being Evil? If we looked at it from the Chickens point of view it could be.

 We may simply be as insignificant yet important for a reason to the Engineers as Livestock is to Mankind.

 The Engineers did come across differently with the deleted Scenes, there seems sorrow in the Sacrifice Scene but they knew it had to be done for the great of their Race. It was like a Father seeing off his son as he is shipped away to War, knowing that his Son is never coming back. But his Sacrifice is not in vain and its needed for the greater good.

 The Last Engineer did not look angry towards all the crew, he looked intrigued in Shaw and what she was asking. Why is he alive? Why did he not finish the job? This Engineer seemed to show some compassion in his Eyes, but this changed once he saw that Weyland was appearing as the King if you would, the one who is most important putting what his wishes are before anyone else’s. David translates Weylands Questions, the Engineer sees this frail old man sees his Agenda more important that Shaws, it shows Mankind is Selfish, the action of the Merc in hitting Shaw, shows the Engineer our Race are still Selfish and Greedy.

 Once Weyland asks the Engineer for more life, the Engineer is upset, once he goes to tell the Engineer why he needs more life, we don’t see David Translate this but we can’t be sure if there is a longer scene still out there. We then see the Engineer sees that this man is asking to me Immortal and has no concern for his fellow colleagues and he has also created an Artificial Being in their own image to serve and worship mankind.

At this point he Engineer has seen Mankind is still a race that is selfish and that wants to pursue power, knowledge and immortality for their own needs and they have even created a race to serve ourselves.   Maybe the Engineers wanted us wiped out because of how we turned out, maybe the Last Engineer felt that was too harsh, but upon seeing that we have not changed, and now knowing we have the means to travel to the LV 223 outpost, there is no way we would stop going to that place now we have found it. And the Engineer could not led Mankind get its hands on the Secrets and Technology and Bio Weapons that LV 223 Hold. He simply had no alternative but to pull the plug on us.

Now for some of your points regarding the sequel.

 4) There are hints that the Engineers we saw could be a Military aspect; i mean the franchise shows us that the Juggernaught/Derelict craft are Ships that carry Bio Weapon Warfare. But we cannot be 100% sure that was always the case. There are many questions to be raised about LV 223, why would they leave a Map to this Place, why would they make so much effort in our creation and visiting us and teaching us stuff... how else could David had learnt to Speak Engineer? So why would they then leave us clues to go find them so that we then stumble upon the Bio Weapons?

The Star Maps had been passed down as early as 35’000 years ago, you tell me how does a Race point to LV 223 35’000 ago unless they already have a outpost there, and if its place to create Bio Weapons all that time ago, then how come they seem to go 33’000 years with no major incident and then WHAM! Their Bio Weapon Backfires upon them, how does this happen?

Unless there was Sabotage? Or unless also LV 223 was not a place of Bio Weapons all that long ago.... Why do they carry out Terraforming? The Humans can breathe on their ships and inside their outpost. Yet the Engineer was able to get from his Crashed ship to the Lifeboat without a Mask.

Was they Terraforming for us? Or can they only survive outside on LV 223 for a limited time?

What is with the Head Stature, it seems its there as a item of Worship just as many Ancient Cultures did with such things, whats interesting is Ridleys movie Exodus we are shown a Head Statue that is very similar to the Prometheus one, the Exodus one is of Ramses the Prometheus one is of a Engineer. So its a sign of Worship, is the Head Statue the leader of the Engineers their King? Or is it the Sacrificial Engineer or to show the Sacrifice of the Engineer to create mankind and is that why its there so as that one day when we are ready we can go to the clues of the Star Maps where we would see this Head Monument and show us who our creators was.

But at some point and for some purpose something changed, could the Xeno/Deacon Mural be something that was added latter, did the Engineers find something else they created that they Worshipped more than us?

Why does the Sacrificial Scene not show any Bio-Tech Ships or suits? Is it because these Engineers are a different fraction and the LV 223 was Military? Or did they acquire that Bio-Tech latter and at some point in time after the Sacrificial Scene.

Ridley Scot said in relation to the Derelict and Engineers that their Bio Tech is Millions of years old... but the Sacrificial Scene to me seems to show the Catalyst via the Engineers Sacrifice to Evolve Basic Life on Earth into more complex life and thus could be about a Billion years ago, but depending what point of Evolution on Earth it could be as early as 2BL or as late as 500M years ago. Could this mean they did not posses the Bio-Tech at the point of the Sacrificial Scene?

Hopefully we would get more clues to the above in the next movie.

5) You raise a good point as far as why did the Engineers not come to finish us off, after they failed 2000 years ago, while the Last Engineer may have had his own Agenda and reasons for this then why did the others not come?

We know the Engineers did not come from LV 223, but Paradise, if the Engineers on Paradise knew of our creation on Earth and they knew they visited us from LV 223, why did they stop coming? If they had given the Green Light for our destruction then why have they not bothered to find out what had become of that Mission?

Only a few Logical reasons remain... but there could be others.

i)  The Engineers on Paradise are not aware of our creation, we was created without their consent, and a band of Engineers had created us via stealing the Fire of the Gods.

ii)  The Engineers on Paradise are aware of us, and after another failure they have decided not to reset the experiment in the Lab/Petry Dish. Not this time, they have simply decided to abandon us, arrogantly thinking that without any help we would never be able to travel the Stars and Find them, and if we did their are clues to LV 223 in which case we would come across Death, and if we survived we may with our greed be tempted to carry the Bio Weapon back to Earth and Destroy ourselves.

Thats if mankind does not destroy itself before then i.e all the Wars we have had etc.

 iii)  There is something that has happened to the Engineers on Paradise, a War? A outbreak and their is very little left of their civilisation, they are all but gone and what is left they are too weak, or they are not large in number and as of (ii) they merely have abandoned any reasons to come to us anymore.

iv)  There is no Engineer Civilisation the Engineers are a Servant race who had enough and decided to create mankind for some reason, maybe to be worshiped by us as they rebel against their creator. Maybe a Fraction was then sent to destroy us, or maybe they had to clean up all prove that they had stolen the Fire of the Gods to create us? Or as of (ii) after we rebelled against them they decided to destroy us.

These was the questions left behind.....

But Ridley has hinted at something different now, he has removed the Elders Scenes and cut the Engineer ones so that the Engineers are portrayed as simply a Servant Race that is performing some Task for some other purpose that we do not yet know of.

These Engineers are Agressive Nasty SOB's they are Dark Angels, they are not Gods.

They did not want to meet God in the first movie (thus Engineers are not God) and this God like Race/Bieng they find is also not God in the Traditional Sense and that what Shaw and David will find is that Paradise is not the Paradise Shaw would have expected, what ever they find is not Benevolent and is also not God.

These are what Ridley and Co have hinted at the Sequel, they also added that David is bringing Hell with him (Juggernaught and Bio Weapons) and ponders what if this Goo is unleashed on God? or a Machine/Robot.

Are they saying that David will want to unleash Hell on them? And is it a hint that the Godlike Being is a Machine? maybe not like David as he did not get infected and so they cant mean David infects himself? But we cant rule that out?

But what if they mean that God is actually a Machine? a Living Bio-Mechanical Machine like something out of Gigers Works?

big dave i see you have prometheus on your mind more than i do! you bring up alot of interesting point and to be honest you really take it to the next level. 

i see you examine every aspect of the story including when the engineer traveled from his destroyed ship to the excape pod without his helmat or air supply. 

i mainly want the next movie to be very passionate and god like 

for example the begininng of the first movie you had the engineers standing around in a bare land, just rocks with white robes creating life and life went on from there. when the humans found out they engineers dna was teh same as ours, what a touching moment that was. 

never have i seen a movie portraying the beginning of man like this one. i can understand 100 mil budget to make this film not all scenes are bare wastland and there are obviously alot of special effects/im not saying the movie was not complex, it was every bit of complex yet the message was simple in my mind. 

engineers made us and a whole bunch of other stuff is going on that we don't know about. i could imagine a scene where david is translating the words of the engineer leader explaining how they created man and for some purpose and who created them and there are humans next to the engineers in paradise, such a scene would be jaw dropping. i could care less about anything else like black goo, aliens, predetors, and all kinds of other stuff even though i like all of that, i am more interested in the engineers at this point.

they are so facinating, for example when david is in teh control room of their ship adn some kind of replay happens and engineers are seen walking around and interacting with each other and you also have that theme music int eh background this is just so fasinating beyond comprehension!

all i want is a long as$%$ movie about the engineers, paradise, the beginning of humans, and lots of technology and all kinds of good stuff in between but mainly all of the above. 

would a movie like that not be amazing for you dave or petro or anybody else? i could watch that like i watched lord of the rings but this is on a whole other level. i could talk about this ish all day and some, actually ridley scott should invite me to talk about what is going to be going on in the next movie, or how about this he should just invite me period to his house so we can have a talk loooool!!!

now how about that buddy?

Well i have said and i think many know the reasons Fox green lighted a Prequel, but Spaights and Ridley threw a curve ball when they tried to show us the Space Jockey was a ancient race who created life on Earth, and interacted with Mankind and is who Ancient Cultured based their religions off i.e the Ancient Astronaught theory.

This was a very brave and ambitious move, but one that ultimately could be a poisoned chalice as opposed to the Space Jockey/Engineers simply being a another Alien Race like the Predators.

From Spaights draft Lindeloff came on board and he flesh out some of Spaights ideas, changed many scenes to be more Ambiguous at a cost of not being Coherent. But then some things Evolved nicely.. i.e Goo replacing Nano Scarabs....

The Xeno DNA toned down too much that we really find it harder to make a connection that would have been easier had some stuff stayed... by that the effects of the Goo.

But yes it seemed Ridley wanted to leave few clues about the Xeno but he wanted to explore more who the Space Jockey was, and it seemed like the movie was setting up to explore the Engineers in more depth......

But again many changes was made even after shooting to change the way the Engineers could be interpreted and we don’t know which way they will go...

And also because of the lack of Xeno connection and answers, we could see Fox maybe push the boat for the next movie being more Alien like Spaights draft rather than steering further away in a sequel.

But we don’t know yet, as those Working on the Prometheus Comic have seemed to had been given Green Light to pursue what happens to LV 223 after Prometheus and explore the effects of the Goo more, and Fox and Ridley gave them things they could explore and things they have to avoid.

Dark Horse have seemed to indicate that they will not be touching much on the Engineers that Shaw and David are off to see, or the Engineers from the past who visited Earth. And they would consider the Comic Canon...

This could point to Prometheus 2 to centre a lot around what Shaw and David get up to. As the comic seems to be following what happens to all the Goo left on LV 223 and the Deacon.

big dave i really appreciate you replying to my comments but your comments are so in depth i think you are part of the filming crew!

i guess at this point i think you know i have speculated enough and really i am just going to wait for the movie but i bet there are millions of people that thirst for my vision of what the next movie should be about. 

i really hope he goes the route i would like him to but what do i know, i am just a fan not a director with 60 years of experiance!!