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Blade Runner "Plot Holes" and Prometheus

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MemberOvomorphAugust 13, 2012
It seems most of the Prometheus detractors have dissapeared from the forum. However when Prometheus was released they were in full force and pointing, out to no end, what they called "plot holes." Even though most are gone there are still some of you who talk about "plot holes" and poor writing. I'm not sure if any of you like Blade Runner but a large portion consider it the best sci-fi film of all time and if not the best a close second. I'll preface this by stating that none of the things brought up as "plot holes" or poor writing bothered me. If something did, it was something that I never noticed until someone brought it up. I also find a lot of these "problems" with Prometheus quite ridiculous so, in turn, I think most of the "problems" I found with Blade Runner quite ridiculous. However, they are there. Just like in Prometheus. Basically, if you look hard enough you will find what you want. If you want "plot holes" you can find "plot holes." If you want to find something great you can find something great. And if you believe that Prometheus sucks because it has "plot holes" or poor writing then you need to take a second look at Blade Runner because there are many things that parallel to your problems with Prometheus and some that dont. In no particular order... 1)Deckard is presented as this badass, android hunting detective. The best of the best. Yet he blunders along getting his ass kicked at every turn, feeling sorry for his prey and falling in love with them. The man would have died at the hands of his prey had his prey not spared his life. The best of the best acting like the worst of the worst. Hmmm. This sounds familiar. Just like in Prometheus. People on the net were all in an uproar about how these scientists were behaving and the things they were doing. Afterall, Weyland would have got the best of the best according to detractors. Yet they were acting like the worst of the worst. 2)How does the Voight Kampff machine work? It was never explained. This unanswered question could be compared to the "how does the black goo work?" question. Both important, both unanswered. 3)If the eyes of the replicants are of human "genetic design" as Hannibal Chew states, then why do they glow when light hits them? 4)Why do the replicants breath? You can see breath when they are in Chew's Eye World. 5)Eldon Tyrell says they can controll reps better if they give them memories. Bryant says the makers were worried about reps developing emotions. You know love, hate, fear, anger, envy? Memories create emotion. If you think about ba family member who has died you get sad. If you think about a great gift you got on your 6th birthday you get happy. Why would Tyrell give them memories when memories create emotion? 6)If the city is overflowing with people, looking much like Times Square on new years eve, so packed you can't even walk, then why is there no housing shortage where JF Sebastian lives? 7)Why does Gaff help Deckard at Leon Kowalski's apartment yet is nowhere to be seen for the rest of the investigation? To make the story better maybe? 8)Why does a police force of an overpopulated megalopolis have so few Blade Runners that one gets injured and they have to forcefully pull one out of retirment to hunt down 4 reps? 9)Why would Holden read Leon's address aloud as a question during the Voight Kampff test? You can compare this with problems people had with Prometheus like "Why did Millburn, who controlled the mapping device, get lost if not to move the story along? and so forth. So, there's a few. I didn't even finish watching the film to come up with these. I didn't even get to Rachel's Voight Kampff test. I got a few while watching and the rest I pulled from my memory of the film. As I said, I think a lot of these are silly. I feel the same way about most of the "problems" with Prometheus. There's no need to post a list of answers to these questions. I could answer them all myself. Some with actual, factual answers. Some with specualtion. EXACTLY like the "problems" or "plot holes" in Prometheus. So, if Prometheus sucks, then Blade Runner sucks lol!
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Yes the air was clean notice the words virus and bacteria and booby traps missing from that sentence if your just going to make things up why watch the film at all (if anything it sounded more like they were talking about elements in the immediate surroundings -not even round the corner!). The also hadn't scanned the whole place and the friggin scanners couldn't pick up the green goo or black goo because they were surprised when they found it - if they cant find them what else did they miss - in real life they would of kept the helmets on or died. I know you are just in denial and are sitting there with your fingers in your ears going la la la no it all makes sense but please - most people see it this way the others maybe are a few cup short of a tea set :P ... So just one final question: so if you were there you would of taken your helmet off?
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@ crabfart... Funny thing is regards your argument is this, no-one falls foul for taking off their helmet. The only two characters to fall foul to the dangers inside the dome, Fifield and Milburn both had there helmets on when their time was up!?!

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Discussing Plot Holes is a exercise in futility and despair. It is one of Hells favorite damnation's to hand out when you are a naughty human during your time on Earth. staff: Weyland Corp Occult and Sacrificial Services Division, Vatican Italy
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I never understood why people feel the need to push their point of view onto other people. If you liked the movie that is fine, if you didn't like it that is fine too. Just live and let live.

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It will be hard to do, i.e. (wait for DVD release on 10/11/12), but I believe that we will get a few answers to some of the questions (not all) that Prometheus has presented! I guess none of us would go to a magic show if we already knew how the tricks were done?
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Snorkle its a movie they wrote it so taking the helmets off wouldnt kill them myyy godddddd are you saying that for real :D :O (in fact thinking about it like that makes it worse - your actually adding to the power of my argument lol) in real life I would put money on them all being dead within 3 minutes of setting foot inside that place if they acted like this that is part of my point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its another point but if all the technology still worked were the fek was the security - this was a weapons facility of an superior race with a weapon or substance with unbelievable power and they just left the front door open hmmm...another point tho I know... And yer your right (the others) - I just like bantering some times - I had got bored for a while just astonishes me what some people think - it like watching lemmings diving off a cliff - sometimes you just react even though you know they wont stop :P !
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@Crabfart: I said this before, but since you ask again: Yes, I would have taken my helmet off. Since you know so much about extraterrestrial virology, it hardly seems appropriate to mention that viruses evolve and co-exist with their hosts over billions of years, and can only infect closely related species. But in your capacity as [i]Professor of General Numptiness and Astrobiology[/i], I imagine that you know better. As Snorkel intimates, though, little good would that have done you had you been on the planet. Take some prozac, for Christ's sake. If you want to do some real moaning, why don't you just plain ask why [i]The Prometheus[/i] didn't land wrapped up in a big plastic tent.
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@Svanya...I wasn't trying to push my point of view on anyone. I was just stating that if Prometheus has plot holes then Blade Runner has plot holes then EVERY film has plot holes and that I don't understand why it's okay in one film but not in another. Stupid sh*t in a pretty package is still stupid sh*t. The fact that some people will eat said sh*t because it's presented to them in a better package is just a strange concept to me. I think every film has at least some stupid sh*t in it. I'm willing to except a certain ammount in order to be entertained. As far as BR, with what I listed there are just as many "stupid" elements in it as there are in Pro. If not as many then it's close. [b]Quote=Crabfart... Yes the air was clean notice the words virus and bacteria and booby traps missing from that sentence if your just going to make things up why watch the film at all (if anything it sounded more like they were talking about elements in the immediate surroundings -not even round the corner!). The also hadn't scanned the whole place and the friggin scanners couldn't pick up the green goo or black goo because they were surprised when they found it - if they cant find them what else did they miss - in real life they would of kept the helmets on or died.[/b] I really think that a lot of people have forgotten how to let themselves be entertained. It's a movie, man. I mean, if you're going to talk sh*t about them taking off their helmets then you need to say it was retarded that Blade Runner had flying cars. The cars didn't have any means of propulsion. How did they take off. I know Syd Mead had some reasoning behind it but it seems if we did have flying cars they wouldn't fly the way they would in the film. And we don't have flying cars. That's just one example. I promise that if you give me a list of films you like I could find all kinds of things like this. The fact that they're okay in some and not in Prometheus makes you seem just as idiotic as you see us. It's like you think we will find any way to love the film and you'll find any way to hate it. I get it if people want to complain about certain aspects of the writing or editing or whatever. But to act like everything that happens in every film that YOU like is totally logical and could, would and should be done in our world is just ridiculous. Once again I have to draw the line on that. Find something wrong with the film that doesn't make you look totallt hypocritical. BTW...If you don't like Blade Runner that's cool. But I know that there are tons of films you do like that I could rip apart in the same way you rip Prometheus apart. So, if you want to talk sh*t, you should take you're I'll find a way to hate it attitude and figure out something to bitch about that isn't ludicrously hipocritical.
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@Crabfart: Stringing together a series of random and immaterial facts does not constitute an argument. Since you do not appear to have picked up on the hint that your aggressive stance lacks rigour, I will no longer conduct any conversation with you. I suggest you start your own thread. This thread is concerned with the Blade Runner plotholes. I'm sure many readers would be interested in seeing the BR plotholes that you come up with.
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This is a questionnaire which resonates on many of the themes in the film and will help me with my primary research. Questionnaire for research focus group – Blade Runner. 1. Is Deckard a replicant what are your views? 2. How long can Deckard live if he is a non-human? 3. Where are the off world colonies? 4. Why does the city seem so empty and crowded simultaneously? 5. When and why were replicants created? 6. How does the voight kampff test work? 7. Is the best ending version with Deckard as Human and Roy as replicant? 8. Is it possible that Deckard does not know he is a replicant? 9. What is the significance of the unicorn scene and does this signify that in fact this memory was implanted into Deckard’s mind making him a replicant? 10. Was the glow from Deckard’s eye just a lighting accident during filming or this also another sign that Deckard is in fact a replicant? 11. Do you have any other comments or thoughts on blade runner?
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For my media production research I have created another questionnaire which focuses on Bladerunner and it would be really helpful if people could please answer this, many thanks. Questionnaire on themes in Blade Runner 1. What are your thoughts on Blade runner and do you like it? 2. Is blade runner morally sound in depicting the influence and power of large corporations, the omnipresence of the police and the control of humans by biomedical systems? 3. What are the consequences of the replicants and their implanted memories? 4. Is blade runner immoral in depicting the planet as dystopian and presenting the human race as selfish, unlike the replicants who work collectively, is it acceptable that the film asks us to reassess what it means to be human? 5. What are the negative impacts of humans mastering genetic engineering and can humans and robots live together co-operatively? 6. What are the implications of technology on the environment and does Blade runner reinforce a negative view of society when watched? 7. Blade runner raises many questions about the human condition, for example can you describe to me your definition of what reality is? 8. What does it mean to be human and has any themes from blade runner resonated within you? 9. The interpretation that Deckard is a replicant is challenged by some fans who believe the unicorn imagery shows that the characters, whether human or replicant, share the same dreams and recognize their affinity or that the absence of a decisive answer is crucial to the film's main theme. Do you feel that The inherent ambiguity and uncertainty of the film, as well as its textual richness, permit fans from knowing the true meaning of the film? 10. What do you feel are the strengths of Blade runner? 11. What do you feel are the weaknesses and flaws in Blade runner? 12. If you have any other information which you would like to add then that would be kindly appreciated.
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As a part of my research portfolio into Blade Runner, I have created thia questionnaire and would really appreciate if you could complete it for me. Blade Runner questionnaire for public 1. Do you prefer the director’s cut of Blade runner, if so why? 2. Do you prefer the theatrical released version of Blade Runner, if so why? 3. Do you prefer Sir Ridley Scott’s final cut version of Blade Runner, if so why? 4. Did you like the narrative voiceover from Deckard within the theatrical version? 5. What would you say is the most widely accepted version of Blade Runner? 6. Do you feel the use of music is one of the key focuses on Blade Runner? 7. What do you think could have been improved in Blade Runner, if anything please state what and why? 8. Any other comments?
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I am conducting research which includes questionnaires into the role of the film festival within the inudustry, could you please help by answering this questionnaire. Questionnaire for Film festivals – Mark’s assignment research: 1. What age range do you fit into? (please circle) 5-16 35-45 16-24 45-60 24-35 60+ 2. What gender are you? (Please circle) Male Female 3. Are you interested in film as a subject? 4. Would you attend a film festival in your local area? Yes – No – 5. Are you aware of film festivals or public events within your area? 6. What is it that you feel film festivals bring to the film industry? 7. What is the importance to you of film festivals within the role of the film industry? 8. Do you feel there are sufficient film festivals for independent film makers and emerging film makers at the present moment in time? 9. What is your view of financial support from local councils and government schemes; do you feel enough contribution is being given to the arts and media sector of society? 10. Are there any comments you would like to add?
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For the purpose of my current assignment I am focusing on an audience response to Blade Runner, with the chosen study of genre, I have created this questionnaire and would really benefit if you could answer it. Questionnaire - 1. Please state which genre you feel is most defined in Blade Runner and why? e.g. could be science fiction, cyberpunk, future noir, thriller or film noir. 2. What do you feel are the codes and conventions used with Blade Runner? 3. What type of iconography do you associate with Blade Runner? 4. Can you list any visual motifs present in Blade Runner which are linked directly to science fiction genre or film noir? 5. What are the universal concerns from Blade Runner? 6. Are there aspects of the Blade runner narrative that might reflect into other genres? 7. How do you feel the use of lighting, cinematography and mise en scene in BLADERUNNER is distinctive to a film genre? 8. Can you identify any moments in the opening sequences of Blade Runner in which the film uses noir lightings and cinematography? 9. How much does Deckard conform to the central male film noir character who is usually a disillusioned loner, a tough guy at odds with himself? 10. Look at the sequence where Deckard first meets Rachel at the Tyrell Corporation. How do her clothes, hair and make up mimic the 1940’s film noir ‘femme fatale’? 11. Watch the sequence from the point where Batty rescues Deckard up to his own death. Look particularly at the sequence in terms of the mise en scène. Does this succeed in evoking a sense of empathy for Batty?

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