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After seeing Prometheus I am highly disapointed. I am a huge fan of the Alien saga. There are wayyy too many pit falls and condradictions and sadly I feel that Ridley only came back for a pay check.I feel he spent more time trying to dissociate Alien from the film when he should of been associating it. The last minute apperance of that reptile like creature seemed to be a far cry attempt to draw fans of Alien into seeing Prometheus 2. I also think the Blame lies with Damon Lindelof who was the executive producer and writer.Lindelof is also responsible for LOST which in all honesty was a Train wreck of an ending.So why let him near such a beloved saga? [b]Firstly . . . David . . [/b] David is a robot,one of the 3 codes of robotics is that they cannot hurt human beings in anyway.the promotional videos with David in them for the film(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oU-yT4nfkY&feature=fvwrel) clearly show David saying that he is aware of human emotions just cannot feel them. surely the act of deliberatedly infecting someone defies the laws of robotics that are enforced in the promotional videos. Why does david even bother infecting charlie(shaws boyfriend). What is the reasoning? even this defies the laws of robotics as maliciousness and deviousness are human feelings. I considered the fact that perhaps it would be to see if charlie became immortal testing it out before applying the method to peter weyland but even this defies the laws. [b]Secondaly . . Black Goo[/b] If the black Goo is a biological weapon then why did the enginner at the very start of the film deliberatedly drink the black goo?.And also if the goo had the effect on the enginner and Human and enginner DNA are supposedly Identical then why didnt the humans disintegrate and decompose like the enginner? Where did the black Goo even come from?? Where did the reptile creatures in the tomb chamber come from?? The movie implys that the tomb was a military base and the engineers devolped the black goo.But why?It is also implyed it was developed to destroy the humans.again . . . why? Why would the enginners create human life to destroy them?Is it simply just because they can ? or like David suggests in the film perhaps humans were becoming too far evolved and threatened to over power the enginners . . . but even this does not make sense as the film at the begininng states that if the engineers are real then evolution cannot be . . [b]Finally . . . Final Alien creature[/b] The creature arises as a result of the octopus creature overpowering the enginner. why does it resemble an octopus ? and was it a result of the maggots in the black Goo? Is the Black Goo like a DNA transcribing Mechanism that isolates the worst parts of the DNA and exploits it into vile creatures? The fact that the full grown alien emerged from the enginner could it be a possibilty that the enginners are only shells for the aliens the whole time,Like Cacoons.and the black Goo acts as a catalyst to release the alien? Why does the alien look reptillian and not like our traditional alien?? the only answer I can assume is evolution of the species . . . the same evolution thats disproved by the crew by finding the enginners!! Unfortunately Prometheus is too vague a film for any interpatation to be correct.I completely agree with writing that leaves the audience to decide the faith of a story but not when key elements are neglected and random occurence events are incorporated to simply attempt to be creative story writing. In conclusion the film is insulting to the Alien saga in my opinion and its attempt at complex story telling yet again left audiences LOST
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1) 3 laws of robotics? huh? Who put them in place? when? Look at Alienuniverse and timeline. 2) David is showing signs of a soul emerging...his facial expression belie his words on some occasions (he is clearly upset with Holloway). 3) He infects Holloway only after Holloway answers his ethical questioning. First Holloway provokes him with "we made you because we could"....then Holloway solves Davids moral conundrum with anything and anybody". Only then does David spike his drink. The basic reason behind it is to test the goo on orders from Weyland to see if it has beneficial effects on health. 4) David indeed shows signs of malice fed by a growing resentment towards his maker...this is a key part of the movie and one of the creepiest part. The opposite of a plothole 5) The goo is a bioformer. It can obviously work in different ways. It can spike life on planets as 'galloping DNA' and it can be used as weaponry (depending on design i guess). The temple-moon seems to be a military base. 6) The 'reptile' came from the goo working on the worms we see in the dirt. 7) We dont know why the engineers wanted to destroy us. Possibly we were a threat or the development of monotheism was an insult (the engineers have a highly unhealthy view on their own status - ref BIGhead), or simply they wanted to shape life on earth differently. We are at this point meant to be clueless. 8) The existance of the engineers does not go against evolution....it goes against the theory of the origin of life. Bioforming planets does not rule out natural selection, migration, mutation and genetic drift in any way. 9) Like the facehugger the protofacehugger (octopus) is designed by the engineers to rape other species and impregnate them to create the xenomorphs. Tentacles around an orifice with a penis waiting innside is a great design for such rapes. 10) prometheus is meant to be vague...in fact the 'sowing' of life at the beginning of movie is a great metaphor for the sowing of ideas in Prometheus. 11) Prometheus is not part of the Alien saga....read what Ridley Scott has said about the movie the past couple of years.
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Sup '...Hudson' (gonna paraphrase) 1. [b]David[/b] Where were these three codes of robotics mentioned? I seem to have missed them. '[i]I considered the fact that perhaps it would be to see if charlie became immortal testing it out before applying the method to peter weyland but even this defies the laws[/i]' You've answered your own question pretty much. Weyland tells David 'Try harder'. David approaches Holloway who tells him unequivocally that he would do 'anything and everything' to get the answers. David, on hearing this, takes his cue from Holloway and infects the drink. David takes his cue from humans all throughout this film. He's not malicious, as much as impressionable? 2. [b]The Black Goo[/b] No one knows what it is really. It clearly alters the DNA, structure and size of a biological entity. But how? And to what end? We're all a little unsure. I wont repeat what hundreds of posts have already speculated on this (i advise you to go fishing here) but i will re-quote this... '[i]...but even this does not make sense as the film at the begininng states that if the engineers are real then evolution cannot be[/i]' Not necessarily. They only said that engineers seeded earth. Evolution could still be a natural part of that seeding. In fact we see life being created and changing drastically during the film itself? For example: having a belief in God and believing in evolution aren't incompatible. God could have created the evolutionary process? 3. [b]The Alien Creature[/b] Anything I say would be pure speculation. It's clearly meant to be a proto-alien, an early form, but i'm still not sure why it had to be put in there. It seems to have confused more people than satiated. Sorry for not being more help but we're all a little confused and frazzled from over a week of talking [i]endlessly[/i] about this stuff!
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thanks for replying and answering and i am aware that ridley has said it is not part of the alien saga but hes asking for trouble deliberatedly bringing in creatures that resemble alien without properly explaining how things have come about. Respect your view though its very intresting
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I totally agree with you bud. I did not understand why the Engineer drank the black nasty stuff, even though they made it as a biological weapon. Hmm. I felt the opening of the movie was way too short and the end was way too dragged out. And 100% spot on with David. If David was void of emotions, then I could only assume he poisoned the drink just to test if it'll have the same effects on humans. He seemed extremely malicious towards Dr Shaw throughout the movie.
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Thanks Brightonrock the thing on David is actually a bit clearer now . . just gotta watch what ya say around robots i guess haha
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I Believe the First Engineer was Prometheus, he gave life to a planet, I believe he wasn't supposed to. So his people wanted to destroy what he gave to that planet, i believe he was a rouge, he sacrificed himself, his DNA mixed with the stuff that was in that bowl, and sparked life....
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ye Scott V like . . . everything about the movie was too vague . . like i wouldnt consider myself a stupid person as to miss all that detail others have described but I just do not see how some people are coming to these ideas . . some of which are very very intresting and plausible . .but are probally not right all because Ridley Scott or Damon Lindelof refused to be difinitive in what they were trying to say
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ThoughtKing 05 that is also very very intresting and I would lovce to buy into that only for this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTwVoIapW-Y&list=FLZ3q0a-jPGc7Ra2Kjjlzr9A&index=1&feature=plpp_video 1min - onwards even the creators dont know why they picked prometheus or dont even give a proper reason
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ThoughtKing 05 that is also very very intresting and I would lovce to buy into that only for this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTwVoIapW-Y&list=FLZ3q0a-jPGc7Ra2Kjjlzr9A&index=1&feature=plpp_video 1min - onwards even the creators dont know why they picked prometheus or dont even give a proper reason
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No worries Hudson. Concerning... '[i]I just do not see how some people are coming to these ideas . . some of which are very very intresting and plausible . .but are probally not right all because Ridley Scott or Damon Lindelof refused to be difinitive in what they were trying to say[/i]' I think that's why so many people are unhappy. People are having to resort to wild speculation about most aspects of the film in order to settle it in their minds. Sci-Fi is meant to make you talk more about ideas, but the ideas are normally existential and not 'can someone please explain what was happening?!?!'. Depends on what you want from a film really!
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Ye I understand that also but I still feel that it should not be soo vague. in my opinion a good writer should be able to appeal to a wide range of audiences and pending on that audience theyl recieve the basic message of the story and furthermore be captivated to understand the deeper subliminal messages behind the story. i realy feel that prometheus was just im going to give you special fx . . . a few creatures that resemble previous creatures . . .a transparent story line . . . and you tell me what the film was about that in my opinion is a lazy story teller
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The only thing i got from the movie, we shouldn't listen to scientists, why the hell would they send us an invitation, when they can come to us and kill us
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"David is a robot,one of the 3 codes of robotics is that they cannot hurt human beings in anyway." Ash was a robot, too, and look what happened there. "I repeat; all other priorities are rescinded." "I feel he (Ridley Scott) spent more time trying to dissociate Alien from the film when he should of been associating it." Bingo! You've hit the nail on the head! He said in an interview that his intention was that this movie would be the parent to two separate child storylines - the "Alien" story, and then another one that hopefully will continue onward. This is an attempt to start a completely different franchise, but one within the same universe. If you're dissapointed that not everything was explained thoroughly, I ask you one question: "Is Deckard a replicant or not?" That's a question from "Blade Runner" that was never adequately explained and is still debated 30 years or so later. That's just Ridley's style.
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@darthmongo I'd say that question is more appropriate because the plot (story, whatever you want to call it) doesn't hinge on it being answered for the film to conclude/make sense. It;s like the sixth sense. The fact that ***SSSPPPOOOOILLLLEERRRRRRR!!!!!** Bruce Willis is dead is almost irrelevant to the film. The story works because of everything else around the 'dead-ness'. However...DECKARD IS DEFINITELY A REPLICANT! If the film-makers were trying to suggest otherwise then the unicorn scene wouldn't have been in there.
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Just my thoughts... :)
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@Hudson I agree, there should have been more explanation. I came out of the cinema (2nd viewing) and my friend said... '[i]we didn't learn anything? We know the space jockeys started earth, and that they make the aliens. But apart from that...nothing[/i]' So i understand everyone's frustrations.
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Firstly . . . David . . [quote]David is a robot,one of the 3 codes of robotics is that they cannot hurt human beings in anyway. [/quote] The three laws are a creation of Asmov, and there is no indication that that is in effect in the aliens universe. [quote]Why does david even bother infecting charlie(shaws boyfriend). What is the reasoning?[/quote] Daddy wayland tells him to "Try harder" So he feeds the goo to Charlie to find out what happens. For all he knows it might covert Charlie in to a Engineer. Secondaly . . Black Goo [quote]If the black Goo is a biological weapon then why did the enginner at the very start of the film deliberatedly drink the black goo?. [/quote] Even though the capt. thinks of it as a biological weapon, it really more of a substance that brakes down DNA and creates new life with it if it is injested. The Enginner drank a lot of it, so it was sudden. Charlie had a drop so it was much slower. The eveidence does not show weapons, but that it was a industrial issue. a biological nuclear meltdown. [quote] And also if the goo had the effect on the enginner and Human and enginner DNA are supposedly Identical then why didnt the humans disintegrate and decompose like the enginner?[/quote] the Enginner drank a whole cup. Charlie had a little drop, the others who where infected did not ingest it. [code] Where did the reptile creatures in the tomb chamber come from?? [/code] It clearly shows that there is small worms on the floor that are then later covered in the goo of life. [code] or like David suggests in the film perhaps humans were becoming too far evolved and threatened to over power the enginners . . . [/code] We don't know but we are given hints for two reasons. [quote]Finally . . . Final Alien creature The creature arises as a result of the octopus creature overpowering the enginner. why does it resemble an octopus ? and was it a result of the maggots in the black Goo? [/quote] No, it traveled from drunk by Charlie -> semen from Charlie to Shaw - > Squidbaby -> facehugging - > final critter.
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In my opinion, the Engineer at the beginning (on Earth) drank the black goo and sacrificed himself to spark life. His broken down DNA in the water of our planet is what started "us". These theories on whether or not he was a "rogue" Engineer are very interesting. Also, people who don't like Prometheus are the people that don't like films that open questions and discussions. Scott specifically said that this is not a direct prequel to Alien. I think that the people who were disappointed with this film went into it with the notion that it WAS a direct prequel to Alien and they expected every question to be answered. People need to stop being impatient and immature and just wait for the answers. This whole "fan theories discussion" thing is awesome! That's what they want us to do! They want us to speculate and get us involved into this movie's universe and try to figure things out. I'm sure that by the end of however many sequels are made, we will have answers to our questions (at least the big questions).
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Here ya go, helped me make sense of it because it comes from the book Thus Spoke Zathustra that they are now mass advertising on the 101112 website thing: The symbol of the Übermensch also alludes to Nietzsche's notions of "self-mastery", "self-cultivation", "self-direction", and "self-overcoming". Expounding these concepts, Zarathustra declares: "I teach you the overman. Man is something that shall be overcome. What have you done to overcome him? "All beings so far have created something beyond themselves; and do you want to be the ebb of this great flood and even go back to the beasts rather than overcome man? What is the ape to man? A laughingstock or a painful embarrassment. And man shall be just that for the overman: a laughingstock or a painful embarrassment. You have made your way from worm to man, and much in you is still worm. Once you were apes, and even now, too, man is more ape than any ape. "Whoever is the wisest among you is also a mere conflict and cross between plant and ghost. But do I bid you become ghosts or plants? "Behold, I teach you the overman! The overman is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the overman shall be the meaning of the earth! I beseech you, my brothers, remain faithful to the earth, and do not believe those who speak to you of otherworldly hopes! Poison-mixers are they, whether they know it or not. Despisers of life are they, decaying and poisoned themselves, of whom the earth is weary: so let them go!" — Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Prologue, §3, trans. Walter Kaufmann
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Here's a little more detailed explanation: Nietzsche injects myriad ideas into the book, but there are a few recurring themes. The overman (Übermensch), a self-mastered individual who has achieved his full power, is an almost omnipresent idea in Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Man as a race is merely a bridge between animals and the overman. Nietzsche also makes a point that the overman is not an end result for a person, but more the journey toward self-mastery. The eternal recurrence, found elsewhere in Nietzsche's writing, is also mentioned. The eternal recurrence is the idea that all events that have happened will happen again, infinitely many times. Such a reality can serve as the litmus test for an overman. Faced with the knowledge that he would repeat every action that he has taken, an overman would be elated as he has no regrets and loves life. The will to power is the fundamental component of human nature. Everything we do is an expression of the will to power. The will to power is a psychological analysis of all human action and is accentuated by self-overcoming and self-enhancement. Contrasted with living for procreation, pleasure, or happiness, the will to power is the summary of all man's struggle against his surrounding environment as well as his reason for living in it. The book in several passages expresses loathing for sentiments of human pity, compassion, indulgence and mercy towards a victim, which are regarded as the greatest sin and most insidious danger.[6][7] Part of Nietzsche's reactionary thought is also that the creature he most sincerely loathes is the spirit of revolution, and its hatred for the anarchist and rebel.[8] Many criticisms of Christianity can be found in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, in particular Christian values of good and evil and its belief in an afterlife. Nietzsche sees the complacency of Christian values as fetters to the achievement of overman as well as on the human spirit.

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