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Gavin

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To understand the Secrets of the the contents of the urns/ampules we first have to separate them into their component parts... [Edited 02-12-2012] [u]The Seed[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusE_screencap7.jpg[/img] A genetically engineered substance created by the Engineers, it is stored within the vials found within the urns/ampules. This thick, viscous black liquid which was consumed by the Sacrificial Engineer (the Seeding) and unwittingly by Holloway, has three underlining properties: 1. When ingested by an organism (Sacrficial Engineer/Hollway) the "Seed" combines with the cells of the organism, causing the host organism to break down at a cellular level - every cell of their body becoming a viral genetic mutagen, capable of being consumed by other organisms. 2. This viral genetic mutagen, when ingested by other organisms, adds/replaces genes of that organism with those of the host whom consumed the "Seed", imprinting the hosts DNA/Genome onto an indigenous ecosystem. This viral genetic mutagen also acts as an evolutionary accelerant, exponentially mutating organisms with the genetic template/traits from the host (LV-223 worms). 3. The evolutionary accelerant aspect of the mutagen also has the side effect of revitalizing dead/dying cells, seeming resulting in re-animation (Shaws womb/Fifield). [u]The Black Liquid[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap47.jpg[/img] The black slimy liquid stored within the urns/ampules is NOT the same substance that was stored within the vials, and contrary to my original theoryis NOT the genetic material of the Xenomorph. This substance is an inert transmission medium, that when combined with the Seed creates an oil like substance, making weaponized transmission of the Seed more effective. [u]The Urns/Ampules[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusK_screencap31.jpg[/img] The urns/ampules are medium for storing and deploying both the "Seed" and the transmission medium. When triggered/smashed the "Seed" (see above) and the transmission medium mix, creating an oil like substance, that is more viscous than the Seed, and a more effective means of transmission. [u]The Xenomorph[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap49.jpg[/img] As shown by this mural, the xenomorph is of some importance to the Engineers. Lets look at their known history regards the Xenomorph... - Thousands of years ago, an Engineer craft carrying a cargo of Xenomorph was forced to land on the moon/planetoid LV-426 when its lone pilot unwillingly became host to one of its cargo. It may be that this craft had previosly visited LV-223 and acquired a payload of the urns before deploying them onto a distant planet. Then after acquiring the eggs that would have remained after the infestation befell its fate upon its return either to LV-223 or the Engineers home world/system. - 2000 years ago, a team of Engineers stationed on LV-223 prepared to deploy a cargo of urns/ampules to Earth, when one of them inadvertantly unleashed the contents quarantining the base. As seen in the movie, the urns are the viral deployment method used to instigate a Xenomorph infestation. The urns were designed to ensure safe transport and efficient deployment of the Xenomorph. [u]The Dark Truth - Completely Rethought[/u] Taking what we have learnt about the urns/ampules, their contents and the Engineers established history with the xenomorph, and combining that with what we have seen in the Prometheus and Alien movies, leads us towards a dark, disturbing truth... [b]Phase 1 - The Seeding[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/sacrificial_engineer_prometheus2.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers visit primordial planets supporting basic, simple life, whereupon a lone "Sacrificial Engineer" ingests the "Seed", sacrificed his life and seeding the planet with the seed and his DNA, resulting in an ecosystem entirely dominated by the Xenomorph (This is what we see at the start of the film).[/b] [b]Phase 2 - The Rebirth[/b] [b]An ecosystem dominated by the Xenomorph results in the exhausting of viable hosts. To combat this the Xenomorph at a genetic level introduced Y chromosome into its genome, giving rise to infertile males (smooth carapaced warriors), and then fertile males (Kings).[/b] [b]Upon consummating with Kings, Queens become capable of producing a second type of egg, incubating a sub-species of hosts, pale skinned humanoids - Engineers.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - The Harvest[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/david_earth.jpg[/img] [b]Systematically a percentage of these Engineers are drafted into Engineer society. Seeking a more efficient means of reproducing the Engineers weaponize the Seed, for deployment upon worlds inhabited by Engineer children, sired before the weaponization of the Seed (the method of this siring not yet seen).[/b] [b]The Xenomorph DNA, hidden with "human DNA" asserts itself and spreads across the sired planets, resulting in a Xenomorph dominated ecosystem. Once all viable hosts are exhausted, the King Xenomorph is sired and Engineers are born.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - Collection[/b] [img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/AlienInfestedWorld.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers collect a percentage of Xenomorph (eggs) before transporting them to a location whereby they can be used to produce more Seed (also as yet unseen).[/b] [u]Why Create Only To Destroy[/u] [b]Here's a summary of what we know so far...[/b] [b][/b] [b]- A Sacrificial Engineer sacrifices his life, seeding life upon a primordial world, using his own genetic material. To date we the fans have assumed this action, through natural selection and engineering, resulted in billions of clones/children of the Engineer to evolve, in his image - us.[/b] [b]But The consumption of the Seed by Holloway results in the creation of a Xenomorph in the form of the Deacon, therefore we must assume our initial belief to be false - meaning that the Sacrificial Engineer was not siring a planet of life that would evolve into human form, but instead cultivating a world that would be dominated by the Xenomorph.[/b] [b]- The Urns show that the urns are a means to deploy the Xenomorph amongst human races also sired by Engineers, as shown by the DNA match in the movie.[/b] [b]- The Xenomorph extrapolates genetic material from its hosts, propagating its own kind.[/b] [b]- Once all hosts are exhausted, the Xenomorphs would need a means to continue their existence, otherwise they would die, and only their eggs would remain.[/b] [b]- The Engineers return to gather the eggs.[/b] [b][/b] [b]WHY? Why would the Engineers seed a planet to create millions/billions of clones/children in their image and using their own DNA only to later wipe them out using the Xenomorph? Well I believe I may have the answer...[/b] [b][/b] [b]The Xenomorph, as we know it, is capable of eradicating an entire ecosystem of its indigenous population by using said life forms as hosts to propagate its own species. When gestating inside a host, Xenomorph embryos extrapolate genetic material and traits from their host, to add to their own genome and to adapt to the environment and ecosystem which they have been deployed into. It is this trait of the Xenomorph I believe that holds the key...[/b] [u]Genetic Material[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusO_screencap14.jpg[/img] [b]We, the human race have evolved from and continue to evolve from the Engineers genetic material. Our genetic material, our genome is almost identical to that of the Engineers. This same genetic material is extrapolated by the Xenomorph, a deadly genetic and bio-mechanical creation held in some regard by the Engineers, themselves expertics in genetic and bio-mechanical engineering.[/b] [b][/b] [b][i]To the Engineers the human race are "Maize". Once we have grown to required amount in number and in the required way, we are harvested, and the Xenomorph is the "Harvester".[/i][/b] [b][/b] [b]Our genes/DNA/Genome/genetic material is the "Maize", that is what the Engineers want/need, and the Xenomorph is the means by which to harvest our genetic material. But why?[/b]

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Trevorlang314
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The engineers are trying to resurrect the xenomorphs. In order to do this, they wanted to seed life on Earth first, then later drop in the black goo to experiment, to see if that would create the xenomorphs. At the end of the movie we see the "Deacon" get created, deriving from the engineer. If that had been a human, then the creature would have been a xenomorph. Humans are just lab rats. This is just my 2 cents. Probably no closer to the truth, but fun to speculate.
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*** 2 types of liquids **** Sorry if this question asked before, but you stated that the only the urn liquid was for xeno. but the xeno at the end of movie was definitely from the non-xeno liquid. non-xeno liquid-Halloway-Shaw-squid-enginer = Xeno. so it seems both liquid can produce xeno. even there is no proof that the urn liquid for xenos.... urn liquid+worm=hammerpede (but we dont know what hammerpede does) urn liquid+human=zombie like humans I rather distinguish the two liquids as - liquid at the beginning of movie = creation liquid - liquid on LV-233 = biological weapon
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Check out the MBAG game at [url=http://my.prometheus-review.co.uk]my Prometheus Review[/url] - find out what the Magic Black Alien Goop is [i]really[/i] capable of! You'll be surprised :)
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From Prometheus Facebook: http://imgur.com/hm4SP Weyland obtains more data on the black goo.
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[code][/code]@Snorklebottom...You have some really great ideas, but I'm not falling for your provided thesis :-) @Emme My opinion is that the engineer reacted to Shaw because she was being assaulted/attacked. The engineer also reacted to Mr Wayland when he spoke. There is a bigger picture to this movie then all expect and I can't wait until it's shown!!! One more thing why is that most think the engineers created the black oooz? As Holloway said while in the skullroom...(is this just another tomb)
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wow very interesting! i was thinking they were coming to weaponize humanity but i just now learned about the xeno mural (hadnt noticed it) and this does make a lot of sense, very feasible.
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as i have previously asked it seems the goo works only by ingesting and inhaling but not by absorbtion through the skin ? then happened with the head of the decapitated engineer who had 2 drops on his forehead ? overstimulating the nervous system with electricity ? so can we see the goo as adirect replacement for the eggs becayse death occurs from ingesting after 36 hours (respitory failure) ? as the xeno dies after more ar less thesame time period ? does this mean promethesu is not canon to aliens and all subsequent movies ? in aliens xenos seem to live a lot longer then 36/48 hours ? or am i wrong ?
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Like the tread I was under the impression that the reason the Engineers created life was to return later and harvest it and use it as hosts, but something has made me rethink this. There are several scenes in the movie where Shaw asks, 'Why did they change their mind?' She repeats this so much it makes me think it has to be significant. Also, on the audio commentary for the movie, Scott suggests that the Engineers made it their purpose to seed the universe with life and then asks what would happen if they then decided it was wrong? I'm paraphrasing a bit there but he seems to be saying that Engineers created us because they could. (the reason Wayland created David). The reason they were coming back was simply to exterminate us, not use us as hosts. One of the writers, Lindelof I believe, also states that the Engineers created us because they could but they weren't happy with the result, so they were going to use the urns to mutate us and 'see what happens'. Try to create a better being.
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1) The space jockey drinking DNA transformer (black goo) was on Earth, and with his sacrifice he gave initial boost to start life on Earth, then a human race was borned, and this can explain 100% DNA comparison (however, not whole DNA string is compared, only some important parts) (Think about his sacrifice, he knew he will die, would he sacrifice for purpose of killing creatures borned from hir sacrifice?) 2) I believe he drinked that DNA transformer for purpose I mentioned above, and as we can see ship taking off from Earth, I also believe that this "Prometheus" jockey was part of group which wanted to create life on Earth (and other planets also). 3) The same group was visiting Earth multiple times and left the information about the base on LV 233 in pictures (star maps) on different parts on Earth. Why ? - I think they saw that human race does have potential, and hopefully will visit their base in future, (to meet the creators). (That requires to find and understand clues (maps) they left - and - humans must develop technically to visit their base (invent spaceship, hypersleep etc). 4) Main question is - why they wanted humans to visit LV 233? (after what we saw that jockey started to killing humans with anger) - one of answer is - there were at least 2 factions of jockeys, lets name them: creators - which were creating intelligent life destroyers - the one which wants to rule universe I also believe, that the LV-233 station was base of creators, (thats why they wanted to be visited by humans) However, they were attacked by destroyers (they do not like the idea that there are other - technically evolved races (humans), which used another kind of (modified) DNA transformer2 (there were 2 kind of black goo's - first one - which "Prometheus" drunk on Earth, and second one which modifies any DNA to hostile creature (as we saw in movie) both of them had different effect), the creators were killed (piles of dead bodies) by creatures created with this DNA transformer2. The destroyer also infected, or modified (probably all) DNA transformer2 to create hostile creatures (new worms etc). Creatures later on died (by age or hunger ;-) ). One of destroyers (there could be just this one) programs ship to travel to Earth as he planned to erase human kind with DNA Transformer2, but something bad happens and he stays in hypersleep. 5) When humans awake the destroyer jockey, he recognized that creators experiment went successful and he started to eradicate humans asap :D, also he wants to get to Earth and use DNA transformer2 to eradicate human race completely. Derelict on LV 426 story thats just my opinion It could be a creator, which was infected by hostile creature (after attack on their base on LV 233, he fled from LV 233,and after he recognized (the pain or whatever symptoms) that something bad happened to him, started to transmite warning signal and lands on LV 426, from his body alien queen emerges and lays eggs which were found by Nostromo crew. Queen later on died from hunger or age ;-D again, (nothing to eat on LV 426 right ? :D) The differences between alien species - could be explained that they are based on hosts (as the alien in alien3 (dog/cow) was different from standard - human born aliens
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pics are ausommmmmm... prometheous super coooooool
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Fundamentally - none of us know how this stuff is created or its origins
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Well the Weyland file has given us a major clue. The Urn contains a core substance that acts as a Virus that breaks down DNA and then re-organizes it and mutates it. The simple explanation however does not seem to answer what we see in the movie as a lot of elements would contradict such a purpose. My theory made more sense but since the release of the Weyland File my theory does not apply as the Substance through out the movie is now indicated as being the same thing... in spite of how it has such a different effect then?

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"..I also believe, that the LV-233 station was base of creators, (thats why they wanted to be visited by humans).." I sort of understand that the Creators wanted to know when Earthlings were able to function in star travel..but to invite them to their main(Moon) base) seems foolish unless the Creators were so confident in their powers that they could subdue any humans that present themselves. It seems more logical to plant travel plans to a monitored spot away from their home base(off moon) and then contact us when we reached this trap. That tells the Creators that that we have reached a certain level of skill and protect them from any side effects or trouble we humans could cause. I also hold out for a distinction between Ctrators(as yet unseen) and Engineers.
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yeah the star system is pointed out to humans but not which planet! Holloway makes the assumption that LV-223 being the most atmospherically hospitable is the place but in truth its not specified and to my eyes the engineer seems in the deleted scene anyway to almost roll his eyes when told that "they had come as asked" maybe thats just my interperetation but just before he gets up he seems to pull an expression of "oh for goodness sake!" as though thinking the humans had got the wrong idea and were stupid for that. I cant imagine why if they are advanced genetic engineers they couldnt get around a problem like loss of gender ratios and usually the concern is less males not less females! Also (and although its a good theory) i dont see why the engineers would got to all those very dangerous lengths to maintain genetic diversity when they could simply A: seed planet, make humans who differ just enough but are similar ennough to conserve species identity then B: y'know make babies!!! why extrapolate from a dangerous monster that would mutate the gene pool too far. It is said that when we choose partners we subconsciously find those who remind us of ourselves but with just enough about them thats different to spice things up (hybrid vigour) this is because deep down when we procreate the aim is to recreate ourselves as close as can but with little fine tunings thats the theory anyway.
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OP updated with an amendment to the original theory...

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"It is said that when we choose partners we subconsciously find those who remind us of ourselves but with just enough about them thats different to spice things up (hybrid vigour" This thread reminded me of of David's development by Weyland, I do wonder what diffeerences he might have implanted in David's programming.
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Something I remember seeing in the movie was a tiny worm/triolobite progenitor on the flask/glass while David was preparing it and before giving it to Holloway. I remember thinking it strange or rather in character that David would just ignore this additional contaminent (like he didn't care for OHaS). I just watched the blu-ray for the first time but couldn't see it. Has anyone else seen this? Basically this would imply that Holloways infection was perhaps completely independent to that he transferred to Dr Shaw. This also would make sense given that Elizabeth didn't suffer the same fate.
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Hmm, this is actually rather accurate feeling, it does make sense. Although there would have to be a safe way to do this "Harvesting" once you have started up the all eating "tractors" (Xeno's). :/ I'll keep my eye on this one! :D

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who are the kings?
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what I don't get is; the Xenomorph came out as a whole in the first promethean movie, but in "Alien" and the other movies, they come out of their host smaller, is this because of evolution, or through genotypes? or because the "Face hugger" was "Unevolved" and much bigger? or just because they thought it would look cooler?

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