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Gavin

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To understand the Secrets of the the contents of the urns/ampules we first have to separate them into their component parts... [Edited 02-12-2012] [u]The Seed[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusE_screencap7.jpg[/img] A genetically engineered substance created by the Engineers, it is stored within the vials found within the urns/ampules. This thick, viscous black liquid which was consumed by the Sacrificial Engineer (the Seeding) and unwittingly by Holloway, has three underlining properties: 1. When ingested by an organism (Sacrficial Engineer/Hollway) the "Seed" combines with the cells of the organism, causing the host organism to break down at a cellular level - every cell of their body becoming a viral genetic mutagen, capable of being consumed by other organisms. 2. This viral genetic mutagen, when ingested by other organisms, adds/replaces genes of that organism with those of the host whom consumed the "Seed", imprinting the hosts DNA/Genome onto an indigenous ecosystem. This viral genetic mutagen also acts as an evolutionary accelerant, exponentially mutating organisms with the genetic template/traits from the host (LV-223 worms). 3. The evolutionary accelerant aspect of the mutagen also has the side effect of revitalizing dead/dying cells, seeming resulting in re-animation (Shaws womb/Fifield). [u]The Black Liquid[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap47.jpg[/img] The black slimy liquid stored within the urns/ampules is NOT the same substance that was stored within the vials, and contrary to my original theoryis NOT the genetic material of the Xenomorph. This substance is an inert transmission medium, that when combined with the Seed creates an oil like substance, making weaponized transmission of the Seed more effective. [u]The Urns/Ampules[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusK_screencap31.jpg[/img] The urns/ampules are medium for storing and deploying both the "Seed" and the transmission medium. When triggered/smashed the "Seed" (see above) and the transmission medium mix, creating an oil like substance, that is more viscous than the Seed, and a more effective means of transmission. [u]The Xenomorph[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap49.jpg[/img] As shown by this mural, the xenomorph is of some importance to the Engineers. Lets look at their known history regards the Xenomorph... - Thousands of years ago, an Engineer craft carrying a cargo of Xenomorph was forced to land on the moon/planetoid LV-426 when its lone pilot unwillingly became host to one of its cargo. It may be that this craft had previosly visited LV-223 and acquired a payload of the urns before deploying them onto a distant planet. Then after acquiring the eggs that would have remained after the infestation befell its fate upon its return either to LV-223 or the Engineers home world/system. - 2000 years ago, a team of Engineers stationed on LV-223 prepared to deploy a cargo of urns/ampules to Earth, when one of them inadvertantly unleashed the contents quarantining the base. As seen in the movie, the urns are the viral deployment method used to instigate a Xenomorph infestation. The urns were designed to ensure safe transport and efficient deployment of the Xenomorph. [u]The Dark Truth - Completely Rethought[/u] Taking what we have learnt about the urns/ampules, their contents and the Engineers established history with the xenomorph, and combining that with what we have seen in the Prometheus and Alien movies, leads us towards a dark, disturbing truth... [b]Phase 1 - The Seeding[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/sacrificial_engineer_prometheus2.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers visit primordial planets supporting basic, simple life, whereupon a lone "Sacrificial Engineer" ingests the "Seed", sacrificed his life and seeding the planet with the seed and his DNA, resulting in an ecosystem entirely dominated by the Xenomorph (This is what we see at the start of the film).[/b] [b]Phase 2 - The Rebirth[/b] [b]An ecosystem dominated by the Xenomorph results in the exhausting of viable hosts. To combat this the Xenomorph at a genetic level introduced Y chromosome into its genome, giving rise to infertile males (smooth carapaced warriors), and then fertile males (Kings).[/b] [b]Upon consummating with Kings, Queens become capable of producing a second type of egg, incubating a sub-species of hosts, pale skinned humanoids - Engineers.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - The Harvest[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/david_earth.jpg[/img] [b]Systematically a percentage of these Engineers are drafted into Engineer society. Seeking a more efficient means of reproducing the Engineers weaponize the Seed, for deployment upon worlds inhabited by Engineer children, sired before the weaponization of the Seed (the method of this siring not yet seen).[/b] [b]The Xenomorph DNA, hidden with "human DNA" asserts itself and spreads across the sired planets, resulting in a Xenomorph dominated ecosystem. Once all viable hosts are exhausted, the King Xenomorph is sired and Engineers are born.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - Collection[/b] [img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/AlienInfestedWorld.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers collect a percentage of Xenomorph (eggs) before transporting them to a location whereby they can be used to produce more Seed (also as yet unseen).[/b] [u]Why Create Only To Destroy[/u] [b]Here's a summary of what we know so far...[/b] [b][/b] [b]- A Sacrificial Engineer sacrifices his life, seeding life upon a primordial world, using his own genetic material. To date we the fans have assumed this action, through natural selection and engineering, resulted in billions of clones/children of the Engineer to evolve, in his image - us.[/b] [b]But The consumption of the Seed by Holloway results in the creation of a Xenomorph in the form of the Deacon, therefore we must assume our initial belief to be false - meaning that the Sacrificial Engineer was not siring a planet of life that would evolve into human form, but instead cultivating a world that would be dominated by the Xenomorph.[/b] [b]- The Urns show that the urns are a means to deploy the Xenomorph amongst human races also sired by Engineers, as shown by the DNA match in the movie.[/b] [b]- The Xenomorph extrapolates genetic material from its hosts, propagating its own kind.[/b] [b]- Once all hosts are exhausted, the Xenomorphs would need a means to continue their existence, otherwise they would die, and only their eggs would remain.[/b] [b]- The Engineers return to gather the eggs.[/b] [b][/b] [b]WHY? Why would the Engineers seed a planet to create millions/billions of clones/children in their image and using their own DNA only to later wipe them out using the Xenomorph? Well I believe I may have the answer...[/b] [b][/b] [b]The Xenomorph, as we know it, is capable of eradicating an entire ecosystem of its indigenous population by using said life forms as hosts to propagate its own species. When gestating inside a host, Xenomorph embryos extrapolate genetic material and traits from their host, to add to their own genome and to adapt to the environment and ecosystem which they have been deployed into. It is this trait of the Xenomorph I believe that holds the key...[/b] [u]Genetic Material[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusO_screencap14.jpg[/img] [b]We, the human race have evolved from and continue to evolve from the Engineers genetic material. Our genetic material, our genome is almost identical to that of the Engineers. This same genetic material is extrapolated by the Xenomorph, a deadly genetic and bio-mechanical creation held in some regard by the Engineers, themselves expertics in genetic and bio-mechanical engineering.[/b] [b][/b] [b][i]To the Engineers the human race are "Maize". Once we have grown to required amount in number and in the required way, we are harvested, and the Xenomorph is the "Harvester".[/i][/b] [b][/b] [b]Our genes/DNA/Genome/genetic material is the "Maize", that is what the Engineers want/need, and the Xenomorph is the means by which to harvest our genetic material. But why?[/b]

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@chainsawsquirrel Well while it may seem the planet is uninhabitable to Humans, the last Engineer managed to survive outside for short time and dont forget the Worms it appears they may have been brought into the temple from mud stuck at the bottom of the crews boots. So they may have either come from the outer parts of the cave or outside the cave.

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assuming that the black goo causes gene therapy to take place, using genes inside the goo it's self which give traits of the xenomorph; who's to say that the black goo couldn't have also altered the genes associated with reproductive systems, and altered shaws own reproductive system, allowing her to reproduce? Yes, it could be a virus, the future of gene therapy is looking at using virons to do the gene splicing. However, this would not work when such a small amount of virons entered holloway's body, and especially after it going through his stomach and digestive system. he'd be more likely to crap it out rather than become "infected". However, for shaw to produce the facehugger-like foetus as seen in prometheus, it would have to mean that holloway's balls got genetically altered, and thus the gametes produced would inherit the genes spliced into his DNA by the black goo in his drink. Also, shaw could not have also been "infected" by this "virus" in any way, sexually, or any other way because if she was, she'd have suffered the same symptoms as holloway did when he was "infected". But she didn't, therefore there is no virus. Otherwise, according to you, it'd have been transmitted to her sexually or by the glass holloway drank from which you claim she may have shared.
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@Bigdave, the thing is, the amount of evolution needed to get from the deacon to the giger alien through the process of natural selection would take how many thousands of years? 10? 20? who knows, it's just a long time, too long infact. And considering that there's absolutely NO indigenous life or ecosystems on Lv223, i think it's a safe assumption that the deacon did not evolve into the giger alien through natural selection on Lv223.
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chainsawsquirrel You might be right that she wasn't infected . I heard someone talk about one of the deleted scenes where Shaw was drinking alcohol and then injecting herself. So please understand I may have completely misunderstood or read wrongly . So please understand the premise I am working from. If my statement that Shaw was drinking is correct (and injecting herself) then was she maybe drinking from the same glass Holloway was drinking that David gave him with the infected alcohol ? When Holloway came into her room she says : I cant help but wonder if there was an outbreak here " she was afraid of infection. So I believe the injection she gave herself was an anti viral/biotic/fungal agent .. Now in this thread on a previous post I provided a link to a youtube video that features the guy from wetadigital that did the video of the sacrificial engineer breaking down - his commentary indicated that the stuff is a virus that causes the DNA to break down and reform and recombine. Now would only the DNA be drifting around in the water ? Wouldn't the free radicals destroy the DNA immediately ? So what was protecting the DNA after it reformed and recombined ? How was it going to write itself into the genome of amoeba like organisms alive In the water ? It is likely that it reformed and recombined and remained a virus . How else would it be able to write itself into genome of other organisms ? So in this case by absorption as a virus ? Maybe its a bacteria ? Would it be able to be absorbed through the skin ? The sacrificial engineer had the virus spreading through his body without being digested first so it probably works through absorption That's why I believe the stuff David took out of the vial is a virus also containing the genome of the xenomorph in all parts of its lifecycle - egg- facehugger - embryo (or embryo virus) adult xenomorph . All these organisms have been broken down the same way the engineer was broken down at the start . These resultant liquids I believe was also a virus (as I explained above ) and they were mixed to form a single substance we see in the vials . Depending on the host that is infected it will mutate into different things. A worm / sperm becomes facehugger - humanoids that are awake and moving around becomes Xenomorphs and humanoids asleep lying in a horizontal position might have chestburster developing in them . Very wild and inconsistent I know to a theory I posted a couple of days ago . This substance/ virus can be absorbed through the skin or ingested. But whether or not is a virus: THE PoINT is : it is absorbed into body through whatever part it comes into contact with. Now does this have to do with Shaw ? Might it be that in the short time she may have been infected that her ovaries were healed or maybe the lining of her womb was unable to supply blood to the embryo ? And then she injects herself thereby killing the virus ? And then when holoway s infected sperm passed into her womb found an egg to impregnate. So she was healed and didn't have to carry the effect of the infection as it might have been killed after injecting herself ? (might the infection have been slowed down and Shaw is slowly becoming stronger like Ripley in resurrection) I also believe that the egg (the container part ) is homogeneous to a womans womb and the facehugger is homogeneous to mans sperm as the sperm is a DNA delivery meganism . Might it be that the trilobite had only holloways DNA and no egg from Shaw only needing the womb to develop ? Unlikely. Whatever comes from the extended deleted scenes when the bluray is released I just wonder : will whatever these additional scenes provide be considered canon ?. Will the Director of p2 use only what we he sees in p1 and forget about the deleted scenes as cameron did with alien ? That's why I am very lazy to form any final theory at this stage because we don't know if whatever is revealed in these scenes will bE considered as canon by the director of p2 Then what is the point of forming theories based on them ?(as they will not be considered canon ) That's why I don't think a final coherent theory can be developed until we have an answer to the above. Also in one of the deleted scenes I heard something about a cocoon.......discovered bY fifield and milburn .....will egg morhing remain in deleted cut scenes ? And a2 - a3(a4??) remain the basic xenomorph universe Ridley works from ? I am very certain my theory is incorrect as many more things might be revealed.
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agreed, the DNA is USELESS with out a cell to transcribe and translate in etc, therefore it's hardly gonna change anything if it's just floating around in the water. Therefore, to be broken up and then recombined, the virons/bacterial cells would have to take a full set of chromosomes from a cell nucleus of an engineers cell, and then the DNA can be rewritten inside the viron/bacterial cell to this new sequence. And how the heck did these free radicals in the water come into existance? anyway, we didn't see any of that. we didn't see the DNA being taken into viral cells or bacterial cells and rewritten, we just saw the DNA being broken apart and "corrupted" by the black liquid, where the liquid just coats the DNA and forms small, black crystals on it. This ofcourse is impossible since DNA is too small a molecule to appear to be pigmented like that by another chemical under that level of magnification. Also, we can't actually see DNA as a double helix, that's merely a model of how it looks like, but we've never really seen it to look like that. if you put it under SEM, it's just long line. The point is, we're trying to explain this film in more detail and and depth in terms of science than the writters of the film set out to do. They never thought it through this deeply, and therefore didn't write the story to coinside with the science on this level of detail. The only way you can really make the theory for explaining this stuff in the film work, is if you pretend ur dumb and say what ur average person on the street knows from recollection of gcse biology to explain the unexplained events in the film. That's the only way of getting the answer because that's the way the writers and ridley scott were thinking when they wrote and directed the film. so the only way to see the right 'picture', is to look at it the right way. so therefore, trying to explain this the way i tried to explain this a while back, and the way ur trying to explain this now is pointless.
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Cahinsawsquirrel Yep we would be destroying the ambiguity !!
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indeed :D hence the need for prometheus 2
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@chainsawsquirrel Yes thats right and its as i thought all along and that is the Deacon does not evolve into the Progenitor of the Xeno, it is actually the Xeno thats the Progenitor to the Deacon. We can not digest this movie with the most complex of Science, it is Sci Fi and its going on the premise of Science but than also Fiction to allow things to happen that when we dissect the movie are Scientifically flawed. I do not believe Shaw is infected only thing that happened was somehow Holloways Sperm got infected to transfer the genetics and DNA of a Xeno to her Egg which was fertilized by Holloway. We have to look at that just because someone cant have babies does not mean they do not produce Eggs, some men cant have babies but they still produce Sperm just the Sperm is defective and cannot fertilize a Egg. Basically the idea of the movie is that the Sacrificial Engineer has his genetic code and DNA broken down by the Substance in the Bowl to then produce a broken down material that carries the Engineers DNA and thus then mutates and evolves basic life forms into complex ones. The Planet had Trees and they need CO2 and so the Water had basic life forms such as Bacteria already in it and the Engineers broken down seed simply combined with these lifeforms and mutated and evolved them into complex life that would carry Engineer DNA. We see the stuff in the urns mutate and evolve organisms to carry Xeno DNA and traits. But they dont carry Engineer DNA and traits just as the Life on Earth did not Carry Xeno. Which again makes me think that the stuff in the Bowl was used to break down Xeno DNA as it was to break down Engineer DNA only the Xeno DNA Substance was collected and stored in the Urns, and the Engineers well it diluted into the Water.

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The only problem I have with the OP's theory is that the engineers wouldn't be able to prevent the Xenos from exterminating all mammalian life. We've already seen a Xenomorph attack an unsuspecting dog in Alien 3. I can't imagine the engineers wanting genetic information from Zebras and Elephants in their own mix. Also if the engineers want/need genetic diversity from their "children" to perpetuate their species, based on the observation that they look like clones of each other, and there are no females, then it's not working(!) because they look like clones of each other and there are no females!!
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My thinking is these Engineers could fall in the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim]Nephilim[/url] category (Genesis 6,4): - they are gigantic, - they are neither God, nor angels, nor humans. Who knows! :O) I really like this movie, it doesn't stop your imagination with a happy perfect ending that explains (I meant spoils) the magic within.
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OK...going to add my two cents to this fascinating discussion and hopefully add something productive to this. I love the premise that the black goo could be a method of 'rebooting' the genetic blueprint of the Engineers to make sure their continued survival over the eon's. Which in turn has gotten me thinking about alternative reasons, so here comes my 'fuzzy' logic. I agree that the black liquid is just a tool, much like we harvest samples in labs and exterminate them without a second thought. Our level of evolution compared to the Engineers would put us at a level of 'higher functioning fungus', so I can understand the ambivalence they show towards and never saw it as 'evil'. Now this led me to thinking about why would they make it so damned hard to 'harvest' the product for its genetic code? Thus I am starting to wonder if the mural of the deacon on the wall is nothing more than a warning symbol, much like we have labels on products. The mural is there is every room to signify the "severe risk of injury or death" to the Engineers working with the material. Accepting that, I figured that the Engineers have no silver bullet in dealing with the Deacons. If there is an accident the place gets locked down and quarantined. So this facility was never forgotten, much like a nuclear bunker here on earth, the Engineers may be simply waiting to return once they believe it to be safe knowing that it will be eventually. Otherwise would you not just wipe out the facility from a safe distance? And they obviously have time on their side. Taking that thought, the idea that they know the facility would eventually be safe to return to, what could this tell us about earth? Well, we know they visited on several occasions probably for a progress report. They must have determined that 2000 years ago was the 'optimum' moment to 'harvest' us before we boiled over into the surrounding planets. Hence off they sent the ship to drop the cargo, then they could forget all about us until they knew it was safe to go to earth for their crop. Assuming they have done this many times before, they probably could set their celestial watches by how things progress. Now I am going to go off on bit of a tangent now as I am going to make the assertion that its [b]not[/b] the genetic code they want. My main reason for going against the genetic code idea is that they make it so hard to harvest. I dare say that W-Y could have created almost as efficient bio-devices to simply break down the human race into certainly more friendly versions of the Deacons. We know they are like ants, they build structures/nests from their own excrement. Breed like any parasite until the host species is eventually wiped out and finally they die out leaving just very long-lasting eggs 'just-in-case' any pesky humanoids survived. The engineers then come back but not to harvest the genetic material, but the structures that were built all over the planet, much like in the last image of the post that started this thread. All the Engineers structures seem to be constructed of the same material, even the suits they wear seem to be hybrid of it. The engineers may have some across the original 'alien' species eon's ago, and if anything like us, they too would have lived in a world of limited resources. So like we use GM on our food, they figured out a way to simply 'grow' all the materials you need in a relatively eco-friendly way. They eventually pick the planets clean of the material and start the process all over again. This kind of holistic approach to their society would explain the sacrifice to start it all, much like this thinking influenced those ancient cultures on earth that they come into contact with who too gave sacrifices. This also syncs with the premise that while the Deacon is a problem for them, they are relatively comfortable working with and transporting the eggs left over. Thus the crashed ship on LV-426 would have been on its way 'back' from a planet being harvested somewhere else in the galaxy. Maybe this all boils down to a green message? Whatever society the Engineers support, they may not necessarily be aware of the 'mass-genocide' aspect of this process, another reason us arriving on their doorstep could be a problem. Making the Engineers the W-T of their society? I will stop at that thought as it is going off topic and belongs in another thread. So while I agree with the premise that all this is to help sustain the Engineers society in some way, I am just suggesting maybe it's not the gene-pool they are after. Maybe it's what the Deacons create and leave behind that is the end goal? Hope that all makes sense, did not mean for it to be so long but hope you followed my train of thought!
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I have heard that this movie is based a lot on the story "Mountains of Madness." After reading about this, I believe I have the answers to the goo and the engineers. In the Mountains of Madness, there is an ancient substance that is called the Shoggoth. This substance has intelligence and can assume any form. They engineers used this substance to help seed life on Earth, just after the moon broke away from the planet. The engineers are at war with another race, another species maybe. The Shoggoth has taken on a life of its own. This once life creating substance has now proven deadly to the engineers and has wiped them almost completely out. I would guess that the engineers are not heading to Earth to destroy humans, although humans will be killed. They are heading there to destroying an ancient enemy buried deep inside the Earth, under the sea. These other creatures are in stasis themselves and will eventually rise up again. They must destroy the Earth with the goo in order to create new life again. ??? Just a theory. The xenomorphs are used to harvest the Shoggoth. The engineers are trying to manipulate the Shoggoth (the goo) for whatever reason, but the Shoggoth cannot be controlled or contained. It turns on them. I think that in the sequel we will see Shaw and David discover the home planet of the engineers, which will be completely laid waste. The surviving engineers were heading to Earth to destroy the Shoggoth and to re-engineer humans, or turn humans into fertilizer so they could replenish the Earth with their kind - a new engineer race. I think we're going to see how the engineers were wiped out on LV223 and learn about their demise on their home planet.
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Could be and this is what Snorky thinks well similar. But i am trying to logically digest that theory and i cant, you see if thats the process then why wait 2000 years, why not do it earlier why 2000 years ago?, why not 4000, 5000 etc. Also why did they not come back to collect some of the Urns or set up another outpost to carry out the mission, why just not bother with us after 2000 years ago. Also the Xeno is a deadly weapon, if we assume these Engineers are higher beings, who live for a long time, a very long time and if they are maybe not as numerous as mankind. Why would they deal and dable with such a Hostile Bio Weapon. Lets Face it the Egg Cargo is not very safe as the Space Jockey in Alien found out, and every Human in the Alien movies since. And the Urns seem not much safer as well, as the outbreak on LV 223 proved and also the Last Engineer found out as well as the crew of Prometheus. So why use one hazardous Bio Weapon to then create and Harvest another. Thats like Blowing up with Explosives a Fuel Dump purely to use the heat to generate some other type of Energy. Also if they need Human DNA to Harvest, well there is not much in the Black Goo invested Mutations never mind the Xeno Organism. I do see that your point is that they use the material left from what ever is left and do not actually need Humans for their DNA, and that they then take the Eggs to another world to then do the same... create Xenos who produce material the Engineers need and leave behind more Eggs. But why the Urns? Why not seed a World as the Sacrificial Scene, then send down Eggs... Unless the Eggs are deemed to risky a Cargo/Tool and they re-engineered it into the Goo in the Urns.... but then if they mutate the host planet and end up leaving Eggs then that makes no sense if the Goo is used because the Eggs to dangerous. You do give me a idea from what your saying though, and that is the Sacrificial Engineers Goo he took, broke him down that then seeded life. Would it not be better to use that same Goo on Earth and let it break us down into a substance that they can then harvest as it contains our DNA. Unless off course the Goo is the same as in the Urns and i has a different effect on other life and does not break down the infected person like it does with Engineers, but its mutates them like we see in Prometheus to the Worms and Fifield etc. But then if thats the case then how come a Goo outbreak did not simply break down the Engineers who fell on LV 223... or did it who knows. I just think if they wanted to Harvest us, surely they are so advanced they could find other means to accomplish that task rather than use deadly and hard to control Bio Weapons.

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So yes looking at a Weapon to reset life if they feel the current project a failure, well the Perfect Method may be the Goo the Engineer had taken. Maybe it only breaks you down if it is taken Orally in Large amounts who knows. What we do see is that all life on Earth may had come from that Engineers seed, and it created for example Mammals and Mankind.... Would using that stuff break all life down to reform into other life that shares similar DNA.... thus mankind gone replaced by some other lifeforms who would have to start are square one like the Cave Men did? You see because the Goo in the Urns seems to change things to carry Xeno DNA and traits, and thus if this is the same stuff then why does life on Earth not carry Xeno DNA but only Engineer. Is it that indeed the Substance is one and the same but effects Engineers differently but then if thats the case what of the outbreak on LV 223. To me it seems that the reason for the Xeno DNA in the Urns is because it contained re-weaponized Xeno Organisms.

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I wonder if the different sizes of some urns have something to do with different the effects. [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/smallurn.png[/img] [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/spaceurns.png[/img] Why this difference sizes? Different purposes? or Other species, ie different forms of DNA?
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So it is possible that the biological weapon is only a past mistake, a mistake without remedy? Then maybe is not a big deal after all. Well, maybe it's important for the Alien fans :D I say this because as @BigDave says the Urns are not very safe. But Although we Don't know how and why that plague was unleashed 2000 years ago in the pyramid. In addition, the cargo hold of the Juggernaut is full of urns in perfect condition. Then maybe the Urns are very safe for transportation. The crew of Engineers could die during the design (upgrade) of the weapon, some risks are inherent when someone is doing experiments after all. But I insist that we Don't know exactly what happened with the Engineers, even comes to my mind the question: Could it be the Engineer survivor a traitor?
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Pretty much what I have been saying in other threads and think too...and I have not read mountains of madness just what I saw online so I it interesting to see more of it in your post. Not so sure about the earth part but involving earth in some way would be good... Thought I think Ridley and his crew will be conscious of this and may throw in some twists because of everyone expecting it... I think possibly the shoggoth will be the xenos and they actually make the goo - or one god like entity does - the original one - I was thinking more that the elders trapped this god like entity or so they thought to harvest the goo power but all the time it was playing with them and now has wiped out most of there empire...anyway obviously one of millions of possibilities :P ...

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What if the urns contain Xeno blood (the white liquid) mixed with engineer blood (the black liquid at the bottom when David reversed the bottle), mixed up together?
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'tis clear now. all the urns were for was a weapon to wipe out humans, by propagating the xenomorph species on earth using the urns themselves. amazing what watching the film a second time makes u realise. as for that picture just up there, that just ends the whole discussion of what's in the urns...a virus, engineered to genetically modify humans and transform them into the xenomorphs. i'd really have liked to see holloway turn into one tho.

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