WHERE TO GO NEXT?

I'm surprised that neither of yall read the ALIEN comics or novels. There is alot of great ideas explored in them. The telepathic queen being one of them.

In the original comic timeline, we don't see seeds of a synthetic rebellion as far as 2231. But there was a synthetic a few years after the Earth WAR (2192-2197) that took it upon itself to protect his fellow synthetics from xenomorphs and the colonial marines (if I remember correctly)

There were some experiments dealing with xenomorph genetic research leading to the creation of the Rogue King and xeno-men. Then you have several attempts to make synthetic xenomorphs to infiltrate hives. Then you had the medical and recreational application of the queen's royal jelly.

But a psionically gifted person giving rise to a highly powerful psionic xenomorph would be cool, maybe it could be similar to an ambassador or even a supreme intelligence within the xenomorph hierarchy like Zerg's overmind

"I'm surprised that neither of yall read the ALIEN comics or novels."

I've always just stuck with the movies. I love the visual and aural sensations above the story...I guess.  Music is such a large reason I enjoy the Alien series and the novels and comics are just lacking in this area.....(I've read a novel or two listening to music....some classical piece, but it's never the same.)

And the novels/comics feel like a small step above fan fiction and appear to go nowhere....I'd say fan fiction probably does a better job( no set schedule to finish, or budget to control,  no rigid cannon to follow, no page requirements, etc...)

well i'm writing an alien fanfiction called Aliens versus Predator Universe which basically is my rendition of the Alien/Predator canon. I mostly borrow from the original expanded universe but my fanfiction is to unify the canons... although I did jettison some of the movies out to fit my vision; mainly the events of Alien 3, Resurrection, AVP'04, AVPR, and The Predator

https://www.scified.com/topic/50490

https://www.scified.com/topic/50490

Whoa! Just read some chapters from that. Very intense. If Marvel saw this...I can see why they might take a second look at a movie tie in. Good job!

Have you thought about a Youtube channel where you could have it read by a voice actor with music in the background and maybe sound effects?

https://www.perfectorganism.com/

Does a fantastic job.

Always wondered if Big Finish would do something in the Alien universe. 

Thanks, although I would prefer a manga adaptation or a japanese anime adaptation for the AVPU. I'm just not confident in Marvel's.... story telling. Preferred Dark Horse Comics and Manga, most of my ideas were inspired by Dark Horse's Alien comics then Marvel's

MonsterZero

My main character Valerie Armstrong's appearance is based on Videl from Dragonball Z, but her character is based on a gender flipped Dr. Eisenberg of AVP 2 blended with Alien 3 Ripley since I decanonized Alien 3.

The beginning of AVPU is set during the original ALIEN comic trilogy's Earth War. Which takes place between 2192-2197

The rest of my fanfiction takes place in 2230/2231 where AVP 2 Video Game is set and after most of the original Dark Horse Comics.

So borrowed a lot of old EU concepts like Predator blood (Predator Concrete Jungle) extending the lifespan of those who drink it.

I'm slowly building up to replace ALIEN RESURRECTION and I will touch upon the themes of Prometheus with my own interpitations. Big DAVE inspired me on that.

“If we EVER had a Continuation to Alien Covenant then WHERE do you think we should have GONE NEXT"

Do you mean what the writers probably would've gone, or where we want it to go? If I answer the first question, we would probably have gotten something like Raised By Wolves, which I've no interest in.

Alien Covenant ended with David controlling the ship and Daniels knows who he is, unfortunately it sets up a continuation which I don't care for. I don't care because it sets it up for a David show.

We probably need to have Planet 4, and Origae 6 in mind since they're mentioned in the movies, so they probably have a relevance. Maybe David allows them to get a colony until they disobey him, and he uses his monsters to punish them. If you look at how Covenant ended we would probably have a scenario like that.

David bombed the Engineers, so maybe they find that out in a way, so they want revenge. Are there Engineers on planets closer to where David is headed? Could they get some signals through some computer system somehow?

My big problem is to have David responsible for the monsters. The prequels have a lot of problems, but this really annoys me. Hopefully they can make it so David just makes his own version from something ancient that the Engineers or someone above the Engineers did millions of years ago. Another movie that's all about David would make me totally bored.

I would like to see how the Engineers live on other worlds. Maybe the Engineers were using terramorphing before humanity a long time ago. This could fit with stealing fire from the Gods in Prometheus and also make a bigger tie with the Engineers in the later movies.

“Ridley Scott had Indicated we are 2-3 Movies away from ALIEN…”

Judging from how AC did I doubt that we'll even get one.

“He indicated it would be about A.I and Creation and What KIND of World that David would Create…”

What kind of world that David would make, I don't care about what he would do next. They over-did him in AC and to me he's dead and so is the android-thing. As far as the Xenos are concerned you could make sure that David didn't create them but there should be other monsters to show the interesting things about the Engineers.

I would really like to see more about the Engineers, but they should keep things about them a mystery. How's their society organized? What's the differences between the one at LV-223 and Planet 4? Are there more worlds where the Engineers can be found, and how do they live like there?

Hopefully they will understand that we need more than Xenos to like a movie. No number of Xenos will make a movie if the characters are crap.

I think that it was monsterZero that mentioned that it'll be answered in a novel or similar. I would prefer a movie, but if they'll do what they've done with the prequels this far, a novel would be preferred. As far as I understand, ADF did a better book than the movie itself (Covenant), which speaks in favor of that.

Daniels, to me she's a Ripley clone but a lesser developed character. Do something new and get writers that know how to do characters that are not clones of better versions. Tennessee was another character that I struggled to understand the personality-traits of.

"The Pickle we are in comes down IMO to Panic..... a Panic to THINK that the Fans want to see the Xenomorph...."

The Xeno can be in a cameo, I want to see new monsters, better characters, and more about the Engineers. No amount of Xenos is enough if the characters are crap.

"But Ultimately it would be David who will have the Greatest Effect on the PLOT..."

*sigh* There's already Alien Covenant, keep on with David if you want new movies that are at best divisive. I would at the most keep him as a cameo... done!

The Deacon probably won't matter as much and will probably die because of a lack of food. As far as it getting any offspring, maybe it could self-impregnate? Here is an article about the topic:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20140530-do-we-need-sex-to-reproduce

To me it's about humans that get into situations that they are not mentally prepared for or have equipment for. The Xeno's there, but it's not what the movies are about.

Scott might've said that it could be about more things but then AC became about a mad robot. The choice made the franchise smaller and ruined what could have been.

Non-humanoid aliens could be interesting. The Engineers are cool, but there could be those that are far from humans.

"Maybe David allows them to get a colony until they disobey him, and he uses his monsters to punish them. If you look at how Covenant ended we would probably have a scenario like that"

This is a Possibility but as you said.... i think that AC2 may have had more in COMMON with Raised by Wolves....

A lot of FANS are Displeased at the Prequels and the David the Creator of the Xenomorph is something that BUGS a lot of Fans... but FOX felt the Fans had Wanted to see the Xenomorphs and get to LV-426 and the Eggs... and well sometimes you CANT go and HAVE your Cake and EAT IT....

In Hindsight the Prequels should have NEVER had been Made.... you keep the Space Jockey, where he GOT the Eggs and WHERE he was From and Going.... you KEEP THEM ALL A MYSTERY.....

Prometheus was on the Right Track... just it NEVER had enough ALIEN ACTION or Monsters and NO CLUES that Fans could GET without using their Brains.... David would have gone on to Create a Horror.... just that before the U-Turn to make Prometheus go and Connect to ALIEN he was NOT to be the Creator of the Xenomorph but something ELSE...

"As far as I understand ADF did a better book than the movie itself "

That depends..... some are Pleased because ADF seems to Indicate that David had NOT gone to Create the Xenomorph... but this was Basically just WHAT he wished to ADD... the Drafts had the PLOT that our David was INDEED the ONE who had BEGAN the Creation of the Xenomorph......

The Engineers could take Davids Creation and EVOLVE IT to what we got in ALIEN, and i think thats the BEST kind of Compromise....  but NOT for Fans who can see the ONLY WAY that the Eggs came about are from a QUEEN.

"The Xeno can be a cameo, I want to see new monsters, better characters, and more about the Engineers. No amount of Xenos is enough if the characters are crap"

This is WHAT we would have likely had seen had they Continued with PLAN A... but then this would have been about David still, and the Character we are left with is Dr Shaw which many Fans just NEVER GOT.... and then they had to THINK... so where and HOW do you have other Characters.......  the Writers Limited Imagination just Assumed... FROM EARTH.

"Scott might've said that it could be about more things but then AC became about a mad robot. The choice made the franchise smaller and ruined what could have been.

Non-humanoid aliens could be interesting. The Engineers are cool, but there could be those that are far from humans"

ULTIMATELY..... these are things we LIKELY would have seen, YES we would have seen David become a Big Part.... like it or NOT some Fans may like it and some may NOT.... but we the Fans have NO SAY about what we GET... well we can do.... HENCE... why we got AC.... but with WHERE they could have taken us before AC... then YES we could have seen other Races, some Humanoid, some NOT-SO Humanoid...

A BIG ISSUE.... is that is Naive to Assume that the ONLY Place where Humans could come from is Earth... and that as of 100, 200, 500, 1000 Years Ago... then the ONLY PLACE in the Galaxy with Humans is.... EARTH..... i actually think this is UNLIKELY.

And IF the Writers had given this some Thought and looking at the Engineers Plot, then YES they could have had other Worlds with Humans... and THEN we could have gone to these Places and NOT have to have the Engineers Home-world being SO CLOSE to Earth which it had to for TWO REASONS

1) We are on a Direct Course to ALIEN eventually... so the TIME-LINE is Prior to 2122.

2) They NEEDED more Human Characters.... and by Virtue of Limited Speeds of Travel of the Ships prior to say ALIEN, then the Engineers Home-world had to be MADE to be VERY CLOSE.

Regarding WHAT the OT is about.....

Its to look at WHERE could THEY or WE had gone Next.... its likely they was going to FOLLOW where David was going... but the TOPIC is to LOOK at Alternatives.

As the BASE of it all.... is HOW DO WE CONTINUE.. with a Sequel to AC that will TAKE US to LV-426 and those Eggs... eventually.

And if that is the PAY OFF..... then you DONT have to go after David to get to LV-426.... but its HOW you Rescue the Plot to NOT have him as the Creator without Basically just Throwing the Prequels under the BUS so to Speak.... can you Compromise?

Regarding the Comics... i have Read some and they FUN for bit of like Alternative Popcorn... i think they DO kind of Conflict the Franchise though...

The Franchise Theatrically seemed to Indicate the Following.

At some Point Prior to June 2122 the WY Company are AWARE of something on LV-426 and the Nostromo is SENT to Investigate (Unbeknownst to the Crew).   The Company must have SOME HOW had some Knowledge of that there is SOMETHING on LV-426 but we just NEVER got to know as to HOW they KNEW and HOW MUCH they Knew and.... WHEN they knew.

We END the First Movie with Ripley Escaping on the Shuttle the Narcissus as the ALIEN is Blown into Space...  while the Nostromo was Destroyed...

Then..... 57 Years Latter we see that Ripley is Picked Up...... she goes on to TELL of her ORDEAL.... but she Discovers that People having been Living on LV-426 for a Number of Years and have NEVER encountered what her Crew of the Nostromo had done...

So had the Company like NEVER gone back? 

The Company gets someone to look at the Coordinates to check out LV-426 for a Ship and the Jordans get the Call to do this and Discover the Derelict and ONE of them gets Infected and are TAKEN BACK to the Hadleys Hope Outpost.

Two Weeks Pass and ALL CONTACT is LOST with the Colony and so a Military Mission is SENT to Investigate and Ripley goes along as she has Experience of Dealing with the Xenomorph.  And we Discover that Burke is out to OBTAIN a Specimen... which means the Company has either NEVER had ONE or NO LONGER have any.

The END of Aliens we see that Hadleys Hope is Destroyed... a Queen however gets on the Sulaco... but it again is Blown out of the SHIP...

Shortly after ALIENS we arrive at ALIEN 3 where after a Fire on the Sulaco the Surviving Crew are Evacuated  into Space.... the Escape Module goes on to LAND on a Prison Planet Fury 161.... a Face Hugger was aboard and Infects a Dog/Cow to give us the Runner... We have Ripley Discover that she ins Infected with a QUEEN.... and the Company is Informed and Dispatch the PANTA to go and Obtain a Specimen...

But at the END the Runner is Destroyed and Ripley Sacrifices herself into the Furnace to Prevent the Company from Obtaining a Specimen.

This is a Pretty Simple Plot....... we have to ASK do the Company go to LV-426? or is there NOTHING to be HAD from there?

200 Years Latter the USM Company go on to Obtain a Specimen by Cloning the DNA of Ripley..... this leads us to ASSUME...

1) There was NOTHING to be had from LV-426 or Elsewhere..

2) If they had Obtained something after Ripley had Sacrificed herself on Fury 161, then SURELY the Company had LOST whatever they Recovered prior to the USM resorting to Obtaining a Specimen via Cloning Ripley.

Could there have been something on LV-426 after the Destruction of Hadleys Hope or something Related to the Xenomorph is OUT THERE in another Part of the Galaxy? 

If there WAS... then you have to ASK as to WHY they Needed to Clone Ripley!

Prior to Hadleys Hopes Destruction... had the Company Obtained a Xenomorph? We have to Assume that IF they had then they NO LONGER had ONE as otherwise.. WHY would they Send out the USCSS Patna?

And so you see the Theatrical Franchise did-not seem to Conflict or Contradict each other TOO MUCH.... the Comics/Novels do though... as they BEG he Question of WHY as FAR as the USM Auriga and its Experiments.....

But the Prequels also leaves some Conflicts/Loose Ends too.

"A BIG ISSUE.... is that is Naive to Assume that the ONLY Place where Humans could come from is Earth... and that as of 100, 200, 500, 1000 Years Ago... then the ONLY PLACE in the Galaxy with Humans is.... EARTH..... i actually think this is UNLIKELY."

I am sorry but I hate when Science Fiction does this, Humans naturally evolve on Earth so anything that evolves else where on a different planet can't possibly be human other wise is a boring human alien. Also there like a billion sci-fi stories that done this to death, I just don't think ALIEN should fall to this overused cliché.

"Regarding the Comics... i have Read some and they FUN for bit of like Alternative Popcorn... i think they DO kind of Conflict the Franchise though..."

That maybe so however most of the original comic series was written and published before ALIEN 3 or ALIEN RESURRECTION were made. The comics offered to explore the verse beyond what the film makers wanted to take the series and heck most of the original alien comics were far better at story telling then that of the weaker films (looking at you Alien 3, Resurrection, AVP 04, and Requiem, Predators, and The Predator).

Since I've no interest in Raised By Wolves I would probably have ignored Covenant 2 if that would've been what it would be about. To clarify: I've no interest in what an android would do if it would be all about it.

About David being the creator and the cake and eat it. I understand what you say but that's no excuse for making it like that. They should have done it better than that, more alien/unknown.

Prometheus should've had better characters and kept a lot of the cut scenes in.

If ADF did a better job than the movie depends on the idea of what they should've done in the movie. From what I've heard (interview on AVP-podcast) I would've preferred his version compared to what we got,

The queen is old, I think that there are better ways to do that. I'm fine with the Engineer evolving David's version.

We got terramorphing in Aliens so based on that there could be other planets where humans live.

As far as responding to the OT I'm not sure. I have some ideas about what I would like to see. This far they've done interesting environments, so that would be an interesting thing. Maybe they end up on a planet and they terramorph, but it looks very different from what we've seen this far in the franchise. Eventually there are monsters there that the Engineers have put there just in case humans settle there and since the Engineers have had enough of humans it's like putting bear-traps just to be sure.

Maybe they find an interesting environment that they go and look around in but then sh-- start to happen because of things that the engineers have done, so maybe they will have to fight against both the Engineers and their monsters. Make the reasons to why it's happening smart and not like horror-tropes like Rosenthal being decapitated. Keep David as a cameo at best or even better, write him out of the story completely.

To have Engineers in it they could be afraid of what humanity has done so they send their troops down there and if we will have some androids in it maybe they would be like enemy androids so humans have to fight maybe engineers, androids (to a much lesser degree) and the monsters. If we would just be able to keep two enemies against the humans I would say keep the Engineers and the monsters. Androids could be in it if needed, but they would be like some sort of Jabba the Hutt thing in Star Wars 6, be there and be a part of the movie but not be the focus.

As far as the themes are concerned, I would suggest that it would be about dealing with disappointment. Not to say that humanity is doomed but that disappointments, sorrow and loss are parts of life, but it's how we deal with it that counts.

These are random ideas, maybe I'm not very good at explaining them.

Thoughts_Dreams

I actually canonized ADF's Alien Covenant in my fanfiction Aliens versus Predator Universe (AVPU for short)

"I am sorry but I hate when Science Fiction does this, Humans naturally evolve on Earth so anything that evolves else where on a different planet can't possibly be human"

I was looking at this in Context to the Dilemma they had after Prometheus, we have David a Robot and Dr Shaw a Human who are OFF to Find the Engineers Home-World so we can ASSUME..... you maybe Cant have a Movie with just Engineers a Robot and a SINGLE HUMAN... and so this is in PART where they had to Consider bringing in more Humans... which means from Earth which LED to the Engineers World being MUCH closer to Home.

The Writers seem to FORGET the Premise of the Prometheus Plot about our Creators.... Mankinds Evolution was at the HANDS of these Engineers who would come BACK from TIME TO TIME and they would NOT ONLY go and Teach us New Things but they would Genetically Alter us too...  I think its Possible they could TAKE a Number of Humans away to then UPGRADE and then Bring them Back but they could ALSO maybe TAKE some of them to another Place.... or Certainly before we was Destined for Destruction, maybe the Engineers would have came (IF NOT already done so) down to TAKE some Humans Away to other Places.

If we look at this as Possible then it would GIVE us a Good Reason to WHY they would Destroy what they had Spent so Long in Creating/Evolving.  If you wanted to WIPE the SLATE CLEAN because some Humans had Began to Misbehave... you go and TAKE some Human Children/Infants or even some Adults, and you have those Adults Produce a Good Number of Infants then you DISPOSE of the Adults and you have say 20 Human Infants aged between 0-5 Years Old... you can Send them to a New World and Raise them to Follow your Ways, they would NOT be as Corrupt as HOW we see Mankind had gotten too.  ONCE you have these Non-Corrupt and Innocent Children then you HAVE NO NEED for the Humans on Earth... you Wipe that World Clean!

Besides i think the Engineers could Very Well have had Humans Settle on more than Earth.... but i AGREE that sometimes its Interesting to see other ALIEN SPECIES who have NOT a LOT in Common with Humans or Nothing at all and Appear Very ALIEN.... well the Prometheus Plot had LEFT ALL of this OPEN to be Explored.

"That maybe so however most of the original comic series was written and published before ALIEN 3 or ALIEN RESURRECTION were made"

Certainly and they had Freedom at the Time to do so, when ANY of the Comics that Came Out before say 1993 then they had Creative Freedom to Explore Various Possibilities, they was NOT to know for Instance about the Prequels that would be made like 20+ Years Latter.  The Movies that Followed would Mainly Steer Away from the Canon of the Comics and even the Comics are NOT always Canon to Each Other.... but thats the FUN thing with the Comics they GIVE US a WHAT IF and a HOW ABOUT THIS.... and Sometimes they have some Interesting things that are Somewhat Borrowed in Future Movies.

I have to Look at Reading more of the Comics, as i do Hear some have some Interesting Story Lines, i have NOT really Read many.... and NOT for like 15+ Years.  I am always Welcome for Recommendations ;)

"About David being the creator and the cake and eat it. I understand what you say but that's no excuse for making it like that. They should have done it better than that, more alien/unknown"

I think this (Alien Covenant Plot) WAS-NOT the Ideal way to Explore things... the Cake and Eat it Comment is Mainly that the Studio could Give us some of what we Want, but then Likely NOT everything we would have liked to see and i think NO MATTER what they had Done, you would have some Fans who would be Displeased.

"Keep David as a cameo at best or even better, write him out of the story completely"

I think that you could LEAVE THAT as a Mystery... maybe something a Book could LOOK AT..... with the Time-Frame i think its Getting more UNLIKELY as the Years go by that we would have a Continuation to where David is going due to Fassbender Aging and maybe losing Interest.

I think doing a ADF is just the LAZY WAY out of it... they may as-well just Reboot the Prequels.... I think you have to TRY and GIVE some Credit to what the Prequels had done and UPLIFT them.... but LOOK at what had Gone Wrong.

What we have is that David had Started the Process of the Xenomorph, if David had NOT been Put back together then we would have had NO XENOMORPH.. a LOT of People do-not LIKE THIS.. but this is the Direction they Took, some People Totally HATE what JC had done with his Queen and Hive Mind Xenomorphs.

The Xenomorph is NOT YET what we see in ALIEN... and RS has said that it has some EVOLVING to do.... as of 17 Years before the Events of ALIEN the Indication is that there is NO EGGS on LV-426.

At the Present Time of the Prequels (Ending to Alien Covenant) the EGGS are on Planet 4, and ALL that David has is TWO FACE HUGER EMBRYOS.

These Xenomorphs have NOT YET been Evolved to WHAT we see in ALIEN/ALIENS and they ALSO have YET to get on the Derelict Ship which will Eventually get to LV-426

So you have EGGS on Planet 4, the Engineers will RETURN to Planet 4, you Need to see those Eggs Mass Produced and on a Engineer Ship which then has to be in the Vicinity of LV-426 before the Space Jockey Event.

To get from A-Z you do-not have to GO were David is going!

The Engineers are Genetic Engineers, some of them became Fascinated/Obsessed in Creating Horrors.... we can ONLY go and Wonder to HOW they would React to seeing WHAT it is that David had Created!

In Prometheus the Engineer did seem Intrigued with David, but then saw a Foreshadowing of the Pit-Falls and Hubris of Sub-Creating.  The Engineer took Offense to the Demands of Peter Weyland and Decided to KILL him with the HEAD of his OWN Creation....

Upon the Discovery of WHAT has Happened to Planet 4 the Engineers will be VERY VERY ANGRY.... they will want REVENGE!  They would Surely know that HAD they Destroyed Mankind on Earth then the EVENTS that had Led to the Destruction of those Engineers would NEVER had Happened.

So JUST as the Engineer had Used Davids Head to KILL his Creator... the Engineers could see Davids Xenomorph as something they could USE to KILL OFF all the Humans and then GO LOOK for David.....

IF you have it that the Engineers eventually take some of the Eggs to LV-223 where they then EVOLVE the Xenomorph and USE IT as a Blue-Print to then Create what we have in ALIEN.... and then they MASS PRODUCE and LOAD these on the Derelict and maybe OTHER SHIPS and then OFF THEY GO!

We know the FATE of ONE such Mission.....

You then have Demoted David to merely the MIDDLE MAN... you also IGNORE where he has Gone/Going, and you have the SET-UP for ALIEN... but then you also have it OPEN that there was MORE than ONE SHIP that was Loaded Up...

Where were these other Ships going?  Did they MAKE their Mission?

" I am always Welcome for Recommendations ;)"

Okay, well my personal favorite was the Earth War Trilogy (Unofficial name): 

Aliens Outbreak (Book One)

Aliens Nightmare Asylum (Book Two)

Aliens Female War (Book Three)

I recommend the Anniversary Editions since those where the ones before Dark Horse Comics went back and changed Ripley, Hicks and Newt to Android Ripley, Wilkes, and Billie respectively to maintain movie continuity. Then you have the novels based on the comics which uses the edited versions names. 

The subsequent comics after that mostly maintained a loose continuity until they rebooted the original Alien/Predator Expanded Universe back in 2012 with the Fire and Stone comics.

Aliens Theory of Alien Propagation

Aliens versus Predator (1989)

Aliens Genocide

Aliens Rogue

Aliens Labyrinth 

There is more but it would be easier to just buy the Alien, Predator, and AVP Omnibus