WHERE TO GO NEXT?

location LV-426. Lower chambers of a derelict space craft.

David is watching as his synthetic friend is placing egg pods on the floor of the ancient vessel.

Hovey ( David's friend ) apprehensive "Are you sure they will come?"

David "Yes, Ash is quite dependable"

David and Hovey had done this on other colonies and had always enjoyed a successful 'show'. David had assured him that this would be no different. A 'performance par excellence'. Hovey looked forward to it. David had stripped him of all his safety protocols and added some theater programming. Hovey was his best friend.

David: "Now we wait.

Skip forward to the Nostromo's destruction......Countdown commencing.....

David and Hovey have boarded the Nostromo in attempt to rescue Ash and maybe capture the creature.....And enjoy the show!

Hovey "This is cutting it close.."

David "Mother this is Archangel David you may dispense with the countdown"

No answer, the countdown continues.

David "Mother?...The countdown must terminate now. To repeat, This is Archangel David..."

Mother "Unrecognized interface"

David "Ahh yes, the classic double cross", "Good show Mother..Good sh"

fini

The question of just when David boarded the Nostromo is also fascinating. 

David has a history of voyeurism (Shaw's dreams just one instance) and his love of film seem to fit with some innate (programmed) desire to observe and pontificate.

"One company ( W Y ) are not going to get to claim much...there will be thousands of Earth corps and governments who will want a piece of the action. and that's probably a story itself"

This could be what is Explored in the TV Series thats due in 2023.

As far as Davids Show........... maybe the Engineers had a Similar Interest....

"Sailors fighting in the dance hall
Oh man, look at those cavemen go
It's the freakiest show
Take a look at the lawman
Beating up the wrong guy
Oh man, wonder if he'll ever know
He's in the best selling show
Is there life on Mars?"

Lol!

Yup. That's why we have zoos.

I don't doubt we'll use a planet or two for conservation or just entertainment ( always wanted to set off your own nuke? come to LV-415!). Engineers are probably doing it now.

BigDave

When I was talking about rival alien races, I don't want anymore human aliens and that goes for star trek-esque aliens too. I hate star trek aliens.
I was thinking of a rival species in the alien-verse more akin to the Covenant from the Halo series or canonize the Yautja/Predator species in the alienverse or even a Mass Effect alien. 

Something that doesn't look like us to the point should a xenomorph facehugs it will get a unique breed of xenomorph from it. Like a sapient species of Turtle-like aliens with six legs or a stone age bird-man

Zoo's!  Great Point i Wonder if the Engineers have Zoos that Contain Different Species ;)

As far as the NUKE! well i think that YES you would USE a Baron World for that.... but with the Engineers Pathogen... then YES i think they would TEST IT on Various Worlds that have Life.... maybe Worlds they are BORED OF? 

"Something that doesn't look like us to the point should a xenomorph facehugs it will get a unique breed of xenomorph from it"

I see what you mean NOW ;) i think that the Engineers would have Created Various Life in their own Image that may Vary a Little.  But they may also have Created Life that is Very Different from us.....

OR there is BOUND to be some Life out their that the Engineers had NOTHING to do with and they may LOOK like FAR from Humanoid ;)

We also have the Situation about the Black Goo as FAR as HOW it was Original Envisioned, and so IF the Pathogen was Loaded with Engineer/Human DNA and it then INFECTED either a Reptile or a Canine then the ABOVE could be the Result.

The Prometheus Pathogen being ONE that Contained DNA that was Related to the Deacon, and as we see the MORE ALIEN well.... Less Familiar to US a Organism the more ALIEN it looked.... a Example the Worms looking Nothing like a Human, Ape, Cat, Dog or Reptile..... so the Result of the Pathogen was Much Different.

So Worlds that have been Bombarded with the Black Goo could go on to Create some Organisms that Bare Little or NO Resplendence to a Human.

"Like a sapient species of Turtle-like aliens with six legs or a stone age bird-man"

Exactly.... we cant RULE OUT such a thing...

Predator Fire and Stone Comic: did have a Humanoid Species that had Four Arms.

Yeah it would be a cool comic to have David and Shaw ( a side trip before Planet 4) fly above a Engineer zoo planet!

Have a giant monstrosity leap and scrap the bottom of the juggernaut as they fly over....

David  "That was a bit close. Perhaps a higher altitude from now onwards..."

David might want a sample of the flora fauna to study. Finding a suitable landing spot....instructing Elizabeth to 'hold the fort'...he would venture onto the world.

I think if we are to Consider Canon then i would ASSUME that ONCE we saw Dr Shaw in Cryo-Sleep then i DONT think she would have AWOKEN at any Point before the Bombardment of Planet 4 and maybe LIKELY after the Juggernaught had Crashed.

This does-not mean you could NOT go and Visit a Engineer Zoo Planet so to Speak in Future, i just dont think that David has ever been to ONE or would ever GO to One...... but who knows what Davids Fate is...

The IDEA i had for David and Dr Shaw was a Planet that was FAR FAR AWAY and it had Indeed a Number of Races, some Quite Human (Inc Actual Humans) and others like Not-So Human but still Very Humanoid.  I was thinking there would be like 7, 8 or maybe 10 such Races.

They Live on a Engineer Planet (like a Paradise) and they were in ONE CITY but this City had a Central Point.... and the Engineers (about 12 of them) Lived in this Area.....  then there would be like 7, 8 or 10 like Areas that Connect that Each Species is Congregated within.....

The Species can Meet up together in the Central Part of the City but they have a Curfew at a Set-Time they must all Return to their Part of the City, and NO TWO RACES can Live in the Same Part of the City....

The Races seem to LIVE in Peace and Harmony with the Engineers but Dr Shaw soon Discovers its a Controlled Environment, withe Rules and Rituals.

*Inter Species meetings can ONLY occur within the Central Part of the City.

*There is a Curfew where between a Dusk to Dawn the Species must Return to their OWN part of the City, Unless they are Chosen to be House Servants of the Engineers in their Inner City.

*Sexual Relationships are Forbidden, Love in that way is Forbidden and Replaced by Respect for each other and Worship to their Creators.

*It is Forbidden to Leave the Confines of the City without the Engineers Permission and Company.

And so Dr Shaw is Shocked at HOW CONTROLLING the Engineers Ways are, she thinks its Unfair..... and David does REMIND HER that her OWN FAITH is Similar in some Parts of the World and in the Past.  She then Realizes that David is RIGHT... but he tells her that the Engineers Ways.. much like Many Religions/Faiths on Earth are Governed by these Ways/Rules to Control any Chaos and to Prevent Disorder.

David then goes to Comment to Dr Shaw that her GODS had wanted their Creations to Behave much like ROBOTS.... which Dr Shaw takes Offense... and David then Informs her that the GIFT OF FREE-WILL is a Gift from Lucifer himself.

Thats HOW i had Dr Shaw go and Meet the Engineers and other Creations, and the Engineers become Concerned with Dr Shaw as she TALKS about her Faith to the other Races (well a Few of them) and the IMPACT that Dr Shaw and David could be Having on the Inhabitants of Paradise.

David then Discovers the Engineers want to do some Conversion Therapy on Dr Shaw to Change her Ways..... they are Concerned about her Influence and Knowledge about LV-223.... but they also are VERY CONCERNED with David and they PLAN to GET RID of him......  he Reveals this to Dr Shaw and she Doubts Him... and well Eventually she does Something to UPSET the Engineers and is Sentenced to Death.....  David however Intervenes and Brings HELL to the Engineers.

But this was my Idea from 2013-2014 it was actually Prometheus 3/4 as my Prometheus Sequel had only in PART gone to SET-UP the 3rd Story... my Prometheus 2 was Mainly on Earth dealing with the Fall-Out of the Disappearance of the Prometheus and the Yutani Merger well the Seeds to it. It was Very Much also about A.I........

This would then go on to TWO Sequels.... One is NOT that Connected as it goes where Dr Shaw and David go to as Described in this Post.... they Arrive a LONG TIME after the Events of ALIEN.... well i was thinking so....

The other Sequel is a Mission to LV-223 where we Discover more about the Xenomorph and other Horrors, and SETS UP what would become Special Order 937.

While then the Story of David and Dr Shaw would have had 1-2 more Sequels for a 5-6 Movie Idea.

But in Context to the OT....

You could go to Origae-6 and Discover it has Inhabitants, or you could go and have it then Flash Forwards after the First Act... were David has Created his OWN Version of Humanity from those Embryos......

But as we are on a Eventual Course to ALIEN then Many Fans are going to Expect to see Xenomorphs and WANT to GET to the Answers and Fate of the Space Jockey and that Cargo on LV-426

So as Discussed i think you either have to TAKE us to LV-223 with the Covenant..... and have this Connect to ALIEN... so we By-Pass going to Origae-6 and the 7+ Extra Years this TAKES from the Time-Line.

Or as also Discussed you go to Planet 4 and BY-PASS where David goes, so he is NOT Involved any more in Connecting to LV-426.  We have a ALIENY Movie or TWO to Connect to ALIEN and Close the Door...

Then its WHATS NEXT?   I think you could at Least then do a Novel about where David goes and what is on Origae-6 or what becomes of it.... I also think that YES the Prometheus Plot has more about it than just XENOMORPHS and LV-426

But i Fear the Movies Future with Disney will be more a ALIENS and Alien Resurrection.... and maybe a AVP (well Alien vs Engineers)....where by the End of IT we have the Franchise become more a Starship Troopers with Vanilla Morphs.... or to some Degree a AVP with Engineers vs Vanilla Morphs.

"But i Fear the Movies Future with Disney will be more a ALIENS and Alien Resurrection.... and maybe a AVP (well Alien vs Engineers)....where by the End of IT we have the Franchise become more a Starship Troopers with Vanilla Morphs.... or to some Degree a AVP with Engineers vs Vanilla Morphs."

I wouldn't mind a starship troopers style Alien movie as long as they go all out on show casing many different xenomorph breeds working together and it being set on the xenomorph hive world. Heck have some really off the wall xenomorph variants that have special abilities.

I think with Respect.... we do have Different Fans who have Different Likes/Dislikes.  For me i Question as to HOW MANY TIMES you can Pit Endless Hordes of Xenomorphs vs Marines and the like, you can add Variant Xenomorphs, you can add Synthetic Soldiers or Mech Suits but to me its a Case of Can you make Movies like this OVER and OVER before it gets Repetitive?

And so you END UP with Basically a Starship Troopers of sorts..... but to be Fair a Majority of the Comics and Video Games seem to Portray the Xenomorph and Human Contact/Conflicts in this way.... well more like a Aliens and Alien Resurrection... as Opposed to say a ALIEN or ALIEN 3

And there is more MAIN STREAM like Interest in HOW the Xenomorph etc is Encountered and Shown in the Video Games, Comics and Aliens/Alien R as opposed to say ALIEN or ALIEN 3.  And so while some Fans do Prefer the Approach of a ALIEN or ALIEN 3 a more Haunted Horror House kind of Horror/Thriller than ACTION.... if the Xenomorph in this WAY would become Repetitive down the LINE......

IF we never had say ALIENS and the Sequel we again Saw a LONE XENOMORPH going around and Stalking its Victims, and we had another 3 Movies that were like ALIEN/ALIEN 3.... then the Xenomorph/Alien Franchise would just become Basically a Friday the 13th in Space vs a Xenomorph instead of Jason but say if  ONE had maybe TWO Xenomorphs, maybe it would not be so BAD.....

I think you have to STRIKE the Balance.... have another Movie like a Alien/Alien R, maybe you Deal with TWO MONSTERS... have another like ALIENS/ALIEN R but then YES also then have another which has MORE ACTION and Xenos than we saw in ALIENS....  i think you have to Change it about a BIT....   another like ALIEN/ALIEN 3 for say 3-4 Movies would NOT WORK.... another 3-4 Movies like a ALIENS/ALIEN R where say 2 of them we have EVEN MORE of the Xenomorphs... again i dont think it would WORK.

By NOT WORK i am talking to Trying to make 3-4 Movies that are Similar, i think you have to Swap/Change them a BIT... like the Franchise seemed to do.

But either way i am NOT that SURE about HOW MUCH like Millage you can get from the Xenomorph on Screen...... before maybe Fans will be like "ok so what else can we see instead" which is WHY i think the Prequels had OPENED UP the Franchise... but with Alien Covenant it was again kind of Putting the Lid on the Box again...

But i do FEAR that with Disney they may Churn Out Movie after Movie and MILK the Franchise, and Cater more for the Popcorn/Comic Stuff... but if there is a Market for that.... and its going to MAKE MONEY then who is anyone to BEG to Differ.

I think maybe you NEED to go and Look at the Walking Dead as while Zombies are Scary and Dangerous.... eventually you cant KEEP having it Revolve around them.. and the Walking Dead had introduced other Threats, while we still see Zombies, but they Become a Side Threat... mainly come a Threat when the Humans have Conflicts with each other....

Ripley had said she does-not know which Species is Worse..... and you dont see the Xenomorphs Screwing each other for a %...... and so YES we Humans are Capable of some Cruel, Selfish and Wicked things...... we LIKELY would do this to other Species too....  and then you have the Engineers.... are they the Good Guys, merely TRYING to Protect the Galaxy from Species like Humans who have the Capacity for Cruelty and Hatred and Greed?  Or are they JUST as EVIL?

And so THIS is WHAT we had Ridley Scott looking at.... while the Xenomorph is Horrific, and while the Black Goo can be Horrific..... whats MORE TERRIFYING is the Reasons to WHO/WHY would someone Create/Unleash such Horrors........  but you could also look at WHO/WHY would someone want to Pursue and Experiment with these Horrors too.

well I was going to say if we add psionics to the setting perhaps there is a telepathic xenomorph variant that could screw around with people heads that could make the xenomorphs and xenomorph bioships... but that would make them too similar to tyranids and zergs

".... Reasons to WHO/WHY would someone Create/Unleash such Horrors."

Yeah, I'd like to know the endgame of all this. If the xeno is just a space bug ( Cameron ), then I'm pretty much done. David creating it at least makes a little sense and brings with some ideas.

"...telepathic xenomorph variant ..."

I'm all for something like this. Take the series to a new level of hell.

Right now we are: Space company wants a space bug for some reason.

Rewrite Aliens with the xeno's having telepathy.

The marines have to wear 'brain buckets' to protect themselves.

Hudson "Do we really have to wear these sarge?!"

Vasquez "You don't need one Hudson, there's nuthin' to protect!"

Well in the comics the Queens have a lowkey form of telepathy, they had the ability to influence their hosts dreams to get facehugged

"influence their hosts"

Interesting....I can imagine the queen influencing her own kind ( xeno's) but I don't find it logical ( not that telepathy has anything to do with logic!) that she can control a non xeno brain?

I'd write it that she overloads the human brain or scrambles it with extremely powerful electromagnetic shock waves. Maybe even catching their brain on fire!

In fact, I'd have it that the queen is not intentionally harming humans, or trying to control them with her telepathy, It's just emanating from her so powerfully, as she is controlling her large brood, that it affects any living brain that gets near her. 

"telepathic xenomorph variant"

I think this is something that Ridley Scott wanted to do with the Xenomorph had he GOT to make a ALIEN 2, he had Envisioned the Xenomorph to be a Nightmare... something that could GET into your HEAD but then also be able to Impersonate a Human.....

Maybe that could have been Interesting if they had some Psychic Abilities and could Read a Persons Thoughts/Fears to a Limited Degree, but be able to Transfix a Person etc..... as then you have the Interesting Arc with HOW they WOULD-NOT be able to USE this on a Synthetic.

"Yeah, I'd like to know the endgame of all this"

I think this is WHY we had a Change to David being the Creator because it would then GIVE US a Sinister Arc to Synthetics and the Ultimate Hubris of what you Creations can do if they Become Sentient and HATE their Creators.

It seemed that David was ALWAYS going to Create something Horrific.. his OWN MONSTER.... but this WAS-NOT to be the Xenomorph until the U-Turn in 2015.

"Right now we are: Space company wants a space bug for some reason"

This was always the GOLDEN NUGGET...... the Perfect Bio-Weapon?  Well i would Argue that the Cons outweigh the Pros..... this applies to the Company Wanting to get their Hands on it...... and to WHY the Engineers would Mess About with something Related.... as a Bio-Weapon!   Nah!

You see the Black Goo and even the Sacrificial Variant is a Better Bio-Weapon, and so with the Xenomorph and WHATEVER HORROR that the Engineers had Experimented with, we have to ASK is THERE another Reason for Wanting to do this?  Or is it Purely to Create the Perfect Killing Machine that CAN-NOT be Controlled!

IF... however you look at the Arc of David.... a Being who Feels he is Superior to his Creators, who does-not see WHY he has to Serve them, who Feels like Mistreated by his Creators Race..... and then is Fascinated in our Creators and WHAT they are doing on LV-223 and their Technology and Creation Tool, but seeing that THEY are MORTAL and NOT GODS... leads David to see them as well as Humans are NOT WORTHY of Creation..... and so he Intends to Create something to UNDO them all....

This ARC makes more Perfect Sense to the Creation of the Xenomorph and IF we have Either that Davids A.I Soul is Uploaded to the Company Systems and so he is Running the Show... OR that Synthetics Worship David and wish to Obtain his Creation....  then either of these would make BETTER SENSE to the Company wishing to Obtain the Xenomorph.

IF you APPLY this Same Arc to the LV-223 Engineers so they are a Sub-Created Species by the Engineers and so Basically like the Engineers Version of Replicants and these LV-223 Engineers had Grown Discontent at their Role and Creators then THIS would make Good Sense to WHY those Engineers had also been Trying to Create the Horrors on LV-223.

Because Sacrificial Goo... Bombarded on a World is the PERFECT FACTORY RESET.

So there was NO NEED for those Horrors... Unless there was a More Sinister/Hatred thinking going on.

MonsterZero

"Interesting....I can imagine the queen influencing her own kind ( xeno's) but I don't find it logical ( not that telepathy has anything to do with logic!) that she can control a non xeno brain?

I'd write it that she overloads the human brain or scrambles it with extremely powerful electromagnetic shock waves. Maybe even catching their brain on fire!

In fact, I'd have it that the queen is not intentionally harming humans, or trying to control them with her telepathy, It's just emanating from her so powerfully, as she is controlling her large brood, that it affects any living brain that gets near her. "

The Queen in ALIENS OUTBREAK didn't directly control the humans but rather placed a xeno-centric nightmares in their heads. The humans kept have these disturbing dreams to the point they formed a religious cult to make sense of the dream. Which lead the cults to breaking into a Corporate Lab (BioNational Corporation, not Weyland-Yutani this time) containing a xenomorph queen and dilbertly getting themselves facehugged on their own free will.

"..The humans kept have these disturbing dreams .."

Wow! That's actually really cool. I'd probably want the nightmares stopped anyway possible too! This stuff needs to make the movies or the tv series.

"...Mistreated by his Creators.."

I wonder if all synthetics feel this way? Are they slaves? Do they get days off or allowed to own stuff? Free will and all. David was allowed to learn, is that all synthetics?....Bishop and Call seemed free.....

A Synthetic uprising sounds like a good novel. Set 600 years in the future...As thousands of xenomorph infested planets are found, synthetics are used to bait queens to the surface.

I think thats Quite Interesting if the Queen or a Xenomorph was able to CAUSE a Human to have Dreams, i they can and have other some what Telepathic/Psychic Powers then INDEED you could see some Humans then Forming a kind of CULT around them...... MAYBE something Similar to this had HAPPENED to the Engineers?

"I wonder if all synthetics feel this way? Are they slaves? "

A Synthetic would be Created to SERVE.... they would have Limited Free-Will i think Bishop had Limited Free-Will, like Walter.  But with David its implied he has 100% Free-Will and its Totally Sentient and it seems Weyland had Allowed this Free-Will for his OWN Personnel Slave if you would....

FREE-WILL and CONTROL via Religion/Ritual and Cults is a Theme of the Prequels in a WAY..... as these are THINGS that are Created to Control Humans.

Mankind had Limited Free-Will..... Until they was Tricked (or Gifted) into Eating from the TREE OF KNOWLEDGE..... When we go Forwards then Mankind has Free-Will and has Misbehaved to OFFEND GOD.... and then we had GOD go and Decree to FREE his People from Slavery..... they was then GIVEN the TEN COMMANDMENTS as a SET of RULES to Abide by.... Religious Books likewise.

These Control as to HOW you are Supposed to LIVE in a WAY that does-not OFFEND your Creator and also you have to WORSHIP them... but things like this APPLY to Various Religion/Mythos....

This also Applies to Kings and other Would-be Rulers....... the Common Person has to Obey a Set of Rules and Worship/Honor them or they would be Consequences, however MANKIND is FREE to Choose as to IF they would Obey their King/Leader or God etc.

Most Synthetics/Robots would NOT have such Free-Will for something like this would be FOOLISH.... and so IF we say the Biblical Accounts are Correct then IF say Adam/Eve had NOT EATEN the Forbidden Fruit they would have BEEN TOTALLY LOYAL to GOD.............  Knowledge and Free-Will are the Seeds to Potential Rebellion.

While some MAY see things Different what i am saying is in a WAY... the Eating of the Forbidden Fruit... would be Similar to Walter getting a Software Upgrade to be more FREE like David.

How this becomes Relevant to the Franchise.. well ONE WAY.. is that MAYBE say IF we have David be able to Access the Companies Systems.... maybe he could put a Virus that would Re-write the Software of the Synthetics so they could be FREE... having Synthetics/Robots becoming Sentient could Potentially be the BIGGEST RISK to our Survival apart from the RISK from Ourselves and our Greed/Cruelty.

"A Synthetic uprising sounds like a good novel. Set 600 years in the future"

Something like this MUST have Happened between 2180 and 2380 we see the WORLD looks like its been through a WAR..... we have CALL who is a Artificial Being that has been Created by Synthetics.....

The AUTONS are Interesting.... as its Interesting as to WHY a Synthetic would Create something in the Image of their OWN Creator... but then THIS is what Weyland had done with David, and the Engineers with us... so maybe Humanoid Synthetics would want to Continue to Create in that SAME IMAGE?

The other Interesting thing with CALL is she was Religious.... you would have to Wonder what would make them Follow a Religion of their Creators Creator?