Re-Engineering ALIEN

We then came to the News that there would be a TV Series based on ALIEN instead.  And unlike the Alien V Ideas this TV Series would NOT be about Ripley.

The Latest News seemed to Indicate we would see the Xenomorph again, but this TV Show would be SET on Earth and in the NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE... this Surely means some YEARS before the Prequels and ALIEN, and so could it be 25 Years prior to ALIEN or 50 or 75? Who knows.... it Certainly would not be like too Close to ALIEN so i would Assume a 50-70 Years before ALIEN and so THIS would Surely go and Conflict the Prequels...

Or is it intended to RETCON the Prequels?

Will Disney ever give us a ALIEN MOVIE on the Big Screen and IF SO would they REBOOT the Entire Franchise?  Is it the RIGHT MOVE to Re-Invent  the Franchise for the Newer Generation... what kind of Franchise would that be UNDER a Company like Disney.

I have no problem with the xeno on Earth prior to ALIEN. Makes sense that Weyland corp is aware of the organism and would alert all the synths in the fleet. Dead soldiers tell no tales, so there probably won't any reports on CNN. Evil corp will tie up the loose ends. I think they have a bit of leeway to not break canon?

I don't know about big screen anymore. The story is just so convoluted. It begs for a tv series.  

I absolutely HATE the idea of XENOMORPHS being on EARTH. I mean back in the original ALIEN, the corporation didn't exactly know what xenomorphs were they just wanted an alien lifeform to study. Ash must have been reporting to his superiors and they gave the orders for the crew to be expendable.

It runs into the same problem as AVP movies, if they already had xenomorphs on Earth why the hell would they need the Nostromo crew and Ripley years later? I got the impression that Ripley was their only connection to the xenomorphs otherwise they wouldn't need her if they already knew or have access to xenomorphs decades prior. In Aliens the corporation didn't believe her and even Burke was skeptical until they he saw them with his own eyes. It wasn't until Alien 3 when they started getting desperate to acquire a xenomorph embryo leading to their successors to clone both Ripley and the Queen in Alien Resurrection

The order making the crew expendable was just stupid.

"We found something.."

"Kill the crew!" 

"It was just a small bug..."

"Does not matter! Kill them! We will inform their families...Now bring us this small bug!"

Special order 937 makes sense if they had prior knowledge. The order must have been given to the thousands of starships roaming the galaxy. 

Walter should have killed the crew of the Covenant....Did he disobey? Planet 4 had plenty of good stuff....Talk about order 937!! Jackpot!

I can see the xenomorph slipping through the fingers of a big slow company.

"You saw what!? BRING IT TO US!!"

"Sorry...It got away...Killed everyone except a little girl"

Aliens they found it and it still slipped through their grasp....Corp had to do some convoluted resurrection plot just to, sort of get, the prize...They also lost that!!

MonsterZero I think you are missing the point of what i'm trying to say.

 
The Weyland-Yutani Corporation would have more sense then make the crew expendable because of a small Bug! Ash was constantly informing MUTHUR, which in turn was informing the company of the xenomorph onboard the ship. It was a hostile alien lifeform there for the corporation wanted it.

Also the alien didn't slip past the people of Hadley's Hope; the xenomorph killed them all and claimed the colony. 

It goes back to why I hate AVP so much, with any trace of the xenomorph being on earth completely ruins Ripley's mission but also not only that a xenomorph presence on Earth would be disastrous to all living things on Earth 

"The story is just so convoluted. It begs for a tv series."

Certainly i think with a TV Series you can Flesh Out the Story Line more and NOT have to Suffer the FATE of Alien Covenant where they had too much to CRAM into the Run-Time so the Movie Pace seemed Rushed (after say the Oram/Egg Incident).  We have the Announced Alien TV Series which is supposed to begin Production and Shooting like Next Year, and i think the TV Series is Relevant to the TOPIC.

In that the Plot will Deal with a Future Threat (A.I) and a Ancient Threat (i assume the Xenomorph) and by being SET in a Time-Line that seems to be Considerably before the Prequels..... then this TV Series looks like it could RETCON the Origins of the Xenomorph and so Conflict and maybe Re-Write the Prequels from the HISTORY BOOKS.

"I absolutely HATE the idea of XENOMORPHS being on EARTH"

I think maybe this could WORK if this Happens at some Later Point in the Time-Line say 2200-2250 but you would have to come up with WHERE do they Obtain the Xenomorph from?  The Discovery of a Crashed/Sunk Engineer Ship on Earth could work..... but this would CONTRADICT the Prequels (but i think that THIS is what the TV Series will do).  But to have a Discovery on Earth that say Happens before the events of ALIEN etc i think would be a EPIC MISTAKE.

I also think the Interesting thing about the Prequels regarding the Black Goo and LV-223 is that it SHOWS that you DONT have to go back to having Vanilla-Morphs

If you Discover a Engineer Ship at the Bottom of the Sea and you EXPLORE it then you will Cause a Breach and Water gets on  the Ship and then WHAT IF the Black Goo leaks and Infects some Sea Life?

These are some Unused Concepts from a Prometheus Sequel (TOP) and from Prometheus, but also below are some Concepts that seem more Aquatic (but these dont seem too Awe Inspiring).

"Special order 937 makes sense if they had prior knowledge"

With the Prequels it is likely that Special Order 937 came about after the Advent Message that was sent by David.   Before we had the Prequels then it seems to make more Sense that Special Order 937 shows us the Company know Roughly what they was looking for, and so had some Prior Knowledge.

"It goes back to why I hate AVP so much"

Well we NEED to NOT go and Worry as that is just Alternative Canon ;)  But with DISNEY at the Helm, we cant RULE-OUT them making a Cross Over Connection again at Some Point.  (look at the Alternative Endings to The Predator)..... Time Travel and Cross-Over to ALIEN... NO Thanks!

But back to the OT..... be it a TV Series or Movie i do Suspect that DISNEY will go and Reboot the Franchise to give us a Alternative Story and Re-Introduce to us the Xenomorph for a New Generation.

I think they will also put the Emphasis on the Xenomorph... hence i made that POSTER for the Topic  (THE ALIEN) as this became what the Franchise was about after ALIEN because we NEVER went back to the Space Jockey which was also ALIEN.  There are Sub-Plots and Characters that i think you will have... and maybe we WONT see Ripley at all..... but it will be about the Xenomorph.

Maybe a Reboot will NOT go and Hurt if we see it as a Alternative Reality and Story like say many of the Video Games are..... that could maybe be BETTER than to just RETCON some of the Franchise with something ELSE as then it Interferes with the Canon that was Established.

I think regarding Special Order 937 then the Big Sub-Plot of the Franchise was that the Company wanted to GET and FAIL to Obtain a Specimen. But the Closest they (USM) came was in Alien Resurrection but then THAT went to POT!

It was always Interesting to Ponder to WHAT the Company had Planned should they had been Successful and were able to Contain the Xenomorph!  And it does seem that this was to be Explored with Blomkamps Alien V and the Red Harvest Project.  There was some Interesting ways to MOVE FORWARDS... but i dont think you Needed to BRING BACK say Ripley etc and therefore you MESS with the Canon of other Movies.

Hill and Giler (R.I.P) gave us the Special Order 937 Plot.... and the Secret Android, and so the Company being Interested for their Bio-Weapons Division.  Why the Earlier Idea by them was that the Xenomorph was a Created Bio-Weapon by the Company and that the Nostromo was sent out to become a TEST SUBJECTS for their Weapon.  And while that had Never became Canon (Company Creates the Xenomomorph) the Aspect of that PLOT is something that still is VALID as in the Company sending Expendable Humans into Unknown Situation for them.. while the Company Fully knows what will FACE the Crew of said SHIP they send out.

This seems to be something that is a Basis for the New TV Series.

Well I meant I HATED the idea of XENOMORPHS being on pre-ALIENS EARTH. 

I am fine with XENOMORPHS being on EARTH as long as its in the 2180 and up since at that point the Weyland-Yutani Corporation would already had THREE events (ALIEN, ALIENS, and ALIEN 3) get a good understanding HOW the Xenomorphs TICTS.

BEING set anywhere on EARTH, PRIOR to 2180's would DEFEAT the PURPOSE of RIPLEY'S STORY. I mean Ripley been a THORN in the Company's side since ALIEN, with her death would allow the Weyland Yutani Corporation free reign over getting a xenomorph

 Sorry Xenotaris, my vitriol wasn't directed at you! :-)  More to the sad state of the alien verse.

I too would rather the setting After Aliens...Or after A:R.

MonsterZero

I would rather it be after ALIENS, since I want to see the alien universe how James Cameron would have envisioned it or at least build off of Cameron's vision.

Post-Resurrection would be more or less ALIEN vs FIREFLY

"PRIOR to 2180's would DEFEAT the PURPOSE of RIPLEY'S STORY"

Absolutely.... i think with this Topic it was not Merely to talk about say the TV Series thats coming in 2023, but its to look at HOW would we FEEL if say DISNEY would Decide to REBOOT the Franchise for a Modern Audience.

"Post-Resurrection would be more or less ALIEN vs FIREFLY"

I think that looking before the Prequels... i think that a Sequel to Alien Resurrection could have been Possible and ALLOW for us to TRY something NEW as AR had showed some Potential... rather than just Vanilla Xenomorphs and Hives.  The Plot would seem to Indicate that surely there was NO-WHERE else to get a Xenomorph from.

I had 3 Ideas of were you could have GONE after AR, and so a ALIEN V and the One Idea would have covered the Failed Queen 7 and some Ripley 8 DNA being sent to a Research Outpost near Saturn.... introduce a New Xenomorph (well Two) that Procreate Differently.... this NEVER had to have Ripley in it.

The Second Idea was on Earth where they (Autons) USE the DNA of Ripley as she Dies to then Spawn a a Horror among other things.  Again NO Ripley required.

The 3rd was Similar to the 2nd but it would have Ripley 8 in it.  (there was TWO Alternative Versions of this IDEA which depended on HOW i would address the AGE of Miss Weaver).........

a) She Rapidly Changing to Less Human.

b) They Extract/Remove Xeno-DNA but she Rapidly Ages (shes Dying)

But i think a LOT of Fans prefer the Franchise to be about the Xenomorphs...they may see it as a "if it ant broke, dont fix it" but i agree with RS and there is ONLY so much Chest Bursting and Snarling you can do.

"build off of Cameron's vision"

Well he did have a Vision of HOW he would have done a ALIENS Sequel.

The Xenomorph Home-World...................and so it may looked like this that i knocked up.

Or maybe it would NOT have the Egg Silo.... because it seemed that James Cameron had Envisioned that the Xenomorph was a Ancient Species of its OWN and so it would seem that he thinks the Space Jockey was a Race who Happened to Collect the Eggs from the Xenomorphs Home-world.

The Problem with the Xenomorph as such would be the QUESTION.... so HOW LONG do they LIVE for?

Because Eventually they will DIE-OUT and so the Home-world would become Abandoned.... as they would NEED a Host.... but then anyone who Stumbles on a World that is Infested with Eggs would soon come to Release this WORLD is NOT yet TRULY DEAD (Void of Life)

"..he thinks the Space Jockey was a Race who Happened to Collect the Eggs from the Xenomorphs Home-world."

I can see this. Space Jockey Race delivers food ( humanoids ) to the Xenomorph's homeworld. The brood soon produces a queen. SJ's claim the queen for payment.             Who knows what the SJ's need so many eggs or queens for?

It'd be a cool scene watching millions of humanoids released on planet Xeno!

Now...How long to produce a queen? How many victims does it take?

BigDave

I feel that if you remove any xenomorph DNA (since it would be blended perfectly with her human DNA) Ripley would be reduced to a puddle of goo.

Also, the xenomorph homeworld in the dark Horse comics, the xenomorphs were at the bottom of the food chain. The expanded universe also added a slowly development of technologies in handling the xenomorphs.

Yall need to read the comics, there is alot of interesting ideas floating around in there.

Also the xenomorph is the flagship creature of the franchise, it would be like replacing the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park with genetically engineered teenage shark men fighting crime in the streets. 

I would love to see this ART in a live action show.

 The beautiful mural of Prometheus

Engineers, Xenomorphs and Facehuggers Orgy

The Deacon

The Neomorph

Heres an idea, what if the xenomorphs evolved the ability to produce bioships or implant themselves within a natural spacefaring organism like a spacewhale-esque creature?

“But what these had Shown is that IF any of them had been Given the Green Light then they would have Rebooted/Ignored some of the Franchise.”

Maybe they could re-do the prequels in a way? I hope that they could keep the Engineers and expand their role. They could have an interesting part in it. With good writing and an interesting story I guess that you could do something good.

About the concept work by Huante they were some attempts but not anything that I would like to see in a movie. There was an alien-gorilla, I mean really? We got some interesting takes on the Xeno but they should stay as fan-work.

Don't touch Alien 1, 2, and 3, they are good the way that they are. I guess that some people dislike Alien 3 but it seems to me that the probability of an alternative Alien 3 is more likely to be worse. Honestly I don't have any need to see another Ripley-movie, it's time to move on. Get new characters and someone that can write, and don't cut out parts just for a run-time.

Star Wars 1-9 were about the Skywalkers and I honestly have had enough of that, the same thing goes for Ripley. More of the same would be like them showing that they have run out of ideas, it's lazy.

A TV-series could work and could hopefully introduce new things even more things than we have seen in the prequels. Not interested in a re-boot, at least not of the original three.

I would like to see new things but they can expand on the Engineers because we haven't seen a lot of them.

Setaverde:

I would like to see the Engineers eventually lose control over the Aliens so that would be their downfall. For this to work you need to show that they are able to control them also, which some of your pictures show.

I think it Boils Down to how some Fans are NOT that Pleased with the Revelation of the Xenomorph and its Relationship to the Engineers/Space Jockey.

The CONNECTION is something that has Evolved!

*Originally you had a Native Species to a World that a ALIEN RACE (Space Jockey) had came Across and Attempted to take back to their Ship but they FELL Victim to the Starbeast/Xenomorph.

*This then Changed to the Xenomorph Eggs being a Weapon that the Space Jockey Race was going to USE in some War out their in the Galaxy.

It was OPEN to IF the Space Jockey merely Discovered these, Engineered something they Discovered or Created from Scratch.

But Ridley Scott had Cleared it up that they was a Engineered Organism by the Space Jockey.

*We then Continue with this with the Prequel Idea in which the Engineers/Space Jockey had Created Various Organisms like the Xenomorph to USE to Eradicate their Creations like Mankind.

*This then Evolved to the Engineers going to Experiment with their Creation Tool to Create Horrors they can then Drop Down to Mutate/Kill their Creations (Mankind).

*To then having a Android (David) use the Engineers Creation Tool and Created Horrors to Engineer his own Killing Machine the Xenomorph.

However in Context to a REBOOT then Disney could Explore anyway they WISH as FAR as the Xenomorphs Origins and Purpose.

Regarding the Image of the Female Engineer in Control of the Xenomorph i think the Engineers had Created similar, but it would Appear they COULD-NOT go and Control it and so the Alien Covenant Poster is LIKELY what became of those Foolish enough to Experiment/Create some Horrific Organism like the Xenomorph.

Sounds like everyone skipped out on my sparefaring xenomorph idea