Re-Engineering ALIEN

The Problem we have was that YES the Franchise was about the Xenomorph, it was about Ripley too but you could have other ALIEN MOVIES that were NOT about Ripley.  And so its a Good Point that having NO Xenomorphs would be like Jurassic Park with No Dinosaurs...

However with the Xenomorph its more like say having Jurassic Park without a T-Rex, as i agree with Ridley Scott in that there is ONLY so much Egg Opening, Face Hugging, Chest Busting then Snarling and Killing that a Xenomorph can do on Screen before it can get a bit Repetitive.  The Xenomorph is a ICONIC KILLING MACHINE..... but so are the TERMINATORS... in Fact i would say the Terminators can Offer more Variation.... but it comes down to HOW you Handle/Show them and HOW OFTEN.....

So you have to On-Screen go and Handle them with Care and Uplift or Evolve them and WHAT they are about.....  as otherwise you have Basically Space Ants and could END-UP with the Xenomorphs become a Less Varied kind of Space Bug like Starship Troopers... (A more Horrific/Enigmatic looking and Aesthetically Pleasing Space Bug though).

So you have to UPLIFT and Evolve them....

However the PLOT seemed to be that the Xenomorphs are merely a CREATION that was Engineered to KILL and WIPE OUT a Worlds Life-Forms.... and so ONCE you Explore/Explain this and you get the ORIGINS of the Xenomorph its then a Case of WHATS NEXT?

More Colonist/Space Truckers Stumble on a Cache of Eggs and are Overrun by ONE or a Few or Many of the Xenomorphs?   The Marines go in to Attempt to Clear it up and Rescue the Colonists?

Do you have a Egg or a Few brought ON/TO a Ship/Space Station and we see them get OUT OF CONTROL?

Do you go to a World that has been Overrun and Infested with the Xenomorph and its like a Giant Hive with Millions of Eggs... but then if the Xenomorph just Face Hugs, Chests Bursts and then KILLS its like How-many Movies can you Continue without the Risk of it becoming Starship Troopers?  

You could Even  go and Explore that the Xenomorph Evolves a bit and Creates its OWN very ALIEN Technology and Ships but this would be a Aesthetically better looking Version of Starship Troopers.... i am NOT saying this Cant Work...

When looking at the Franchise then Ridley Scott had FELT as to WHY it was that NO-ONE had Covered the Origins of the Xenomorph and WHAT the Space Jockey was doing with it.... and it BOILED down to being a Created/Engineered Bio-Weapon.

And so they came to Conclude that you had to Expand on the Space Jockey and that WHEN you have the ORIGINS of the Xenomorph and HOW it got on LV-426 it was then a CASE of WHAT NEXT?

They Felt you would have more ALIEN Movies that had been seen a LOT in all Media Forms.... and so they FELT you have more Background and Depth to Exploring the Engineers in a SPIN OFF that would STEER AWAY from ALIEN.

By then Deciding to Actually make a Prometheus Sequel go and Connect to ALIEN eventually and introduce the Xenomorph Origins was a Mistake!

THIS..... However does-not mean you could NOT go and Make other ALIEN Movies they could have done this and LEFT the Xenomorph Origins a Complete Mystery but WHEN you go to do another ALIEN MOVIE then you have to Include the Xenomorph but then you have to try and CHANGE it a BIT or Offer Different to what we already Seen as FAR as Humans Attempts to get the Specimen and then Fail and get Chest Busted and Killed over and over.

I think that whenever you PLACE the ALIEN: Prefix on anything you are going to be Expected to have the Xenomorph.... but that does-not mean you cant go and Evolve/Change it a Little....  But you have to be Careful you Need a Good Story and Writers and Execution...

The more you Go Over and Over a Franchise, you may make another ALIEN or ALIENS but you could get another AVPR or Alien Covenant.

Maybe by doing a COMPLETE REBOOT that can be seen as a Alternative Take like say the Dark Knight Batmen are compared to the 90's Movies or even any Newer Batman Franchise they make...

Maybe that could be a WAY to go.... so we have TWO Alternative Takes on the Xenomorph, rather than to make Sequels/Prequels and REBOOT Sequels and Prequels because then you can have a MESS like the Terminator Franchise.

Ultimately The Terminator and Terminator 2 were Great.... and maybe you just NEVER be able to Match them....(as Far as doing other Terminators)

I think the same thing has Happened with Alien/Aliens they maybe will NEVER be Matched by any Sequel or Prequel.

"Sounds like everyone skipped out on my sparefaring xenomorph idea"

LOL... i did kind of touch upon it....

I think it could become like Starship Troopers but thats NOT to say that it would not WORK or be Great..... some Fans will like that and well its NOT down to me to think what Fans will like or Dislike ;)

I think that YES you have to UPLIFT the Xenomorph and having them become as SUCH is a Possibility.....  The Problem comes with the Time-Line and also the PLOT of the Prequels....

If the Xenomorph had been shown to be Ancient then we can Wonder to WHAT KIND of a World would a Xenomorph Infested one become in Thousands of Years?

This is something the Prequels with AC has kind of KILLED OFF... Unless we are SET in say Thousands of Years...

A Alternative Reboot could Explore the Xenomorph as such!

OR................ you have to ASK as to WHERE did the Xenomorph DNA begin? If the Engineers had Experimented with DNA of something that Predated them and the Deacon then you can ask.. WHAT was THIS?

You Explore this ALIEN SPECIES... that are NOT the Xenomorph but we can see they are Connected.... we can BRING BACK the STARBEAST ;)

So you have a Aesthetically similar Beast... but a Space-faring one maybe?

How can Mankind ever Deal with this New Ancient Threat?     The Xenomorph Perhaps!

I have been devaloping a fanfiction that will eventually touch upon the Starbeast, Xenomorph origins, the rise of the engineers and yautja. Right now its just focusing on the bioweapon projects of Weyland Yutani and I borrowed heavily from the old alien expanded universe

Hope your Project comes along Nicely..............

I think with the Franchise then Certain things have Changed in Light of the Prequels that i think have NOT gone and Sat Well with many Fans.  There are Fans who are into the Expanded Universe as far as Comics and Novels and i think would have liked to have seen SIMILAR with ALIEN Movie Franchise.

I think there is Room to make a Movie Franchise that does-not have to Affect the Prequels or the Ripley Saga, because Regardless of WHO had Created the Xenomorph we just cant ASSUME the ONLY place there are Eggs is LV-426 and so maybe MORE than ONE of those Ships had Eggs on them and so we can ASK to where could other Ships had gone.  And to NOT go and Contradict the Franchise it would be better to Discover this like after 2180.

But of-course the Problem then comes down to how OLD those Eggs are without going to Conflict the Prequels.  As it would seem that the Xenomorph Aesthetic had began some Point between 2095-2105.

I Personally am NOT a Fan of Remaking a Movie within a Set Franchise, lets say Star Wars with EP8 the Last Jedi, they could have Rebooted that and Pleased some Fans but i think you have to Accept what is Done and TRY and Pull it back....this is WHY i would not be a Fan of say the ALIEN V ideas that would in Effect remove ALIEN 3/R from Canon.

But i would be OPEN to like a Complete Reboot as a Alternative take on the Universe and so then Fans can Enjoy each as a Separate take on the Franchise like say 1989-1997 Batman Franchise and the 2005-2012 Dark Knight Series.  As this is kind of what the Expanded Comic/Novel Universe does.

I think the original sin of Alien being about Ripley started with Alien Resurrection. They could have focused on characters beyond Ripley since she died in Alien 3 but nope, Joss Weadon wanted to bring dead characters (originally he wanted Newt, but Fox wanted Ripley) back to life for a new instead of making new ones.

I've been noticing an interesting trait of the ALIEN-verse, the series has a hard time building out its tech eras since every movie or two time skips further in the future or the past.

We have the Present Day era for non-canon material like the Predator and AVP series

We have the early FTL era/Discovery Era, Prometheus

The Colonial era, Alien Covenant

The Space Trade era, Alien

The Colonial Wars era, Aliens and Alien 3

The Post-Corporate era, Alien Resurrection

"They could have focused on characters beyond Ripley"

Ripley was the MAIN Character in all the Franchise the Problem with Alien R is that the other Characters just NEVER stood out... they was like Meh!  But the same can be said with the Prequels..... for me CALL had Stood out as the Most Interesting Character.

The Problem that is Faced when doing a NEW Movie is you NEED to have Good Characters which means you have to Create/Build a New Character but then its a Case of are these just for ONE Movie?  Do you SET-UP a Sequel to Continue with these Characters?

Even so then that does-not mean they would be Continued (Dr Shaw from Prometheus for Instance) and with Daniels and Tennessee they are NOT really Characters that MOST would be like "Yeah! i wanna see them again!"

And so i think THIS is WHY the Alien V ideas came back to bringing BACK our Ripley because they FELT you had a Character that People could Connect with.

No you DONT...... you can maybe Introduce a Character who is Connected... and so Alien Isolation worked well because it was Amanda looking for what Happened to her Mother.

So they could have gone and made say a Sequel to Alien 3, were you have say Hicks who has a Brother and his Brother got a Message from the Sulaco saying they are coming HOME... but he NEVER did.

The Prison Planet Fury 161 is full of who the Company would call... Expendable and those Prisoners know of the Xenomorph....

The Company came up BUST!

But you think they would NOT go through the Prison with a Fine Tooth Comb?

Ripley was Infected..... the Dog/Cow also had Gestated a Xenomorph and so where are the Face Huggers?

You think the Company would NOT go and TRY to Gain a Specimen from the DNA of a Face Hugger? 

Maybe the Results are NOT as Good.... a LOT of Mutated Inmates in the Process to get something thats a  BIT DIFFERENT...

But sometimes the Fans would NOT like something Different and so something that STEERS too FAR away from the Xenomorph Aesthetic is maybe something the Fans would NOT be Pleased with.

But again..... maybe Fury 161 is NOT the Last Place that the Company can TRY to get the Xenomorph in the Cinematic Universe....  One things from Blomkamps Alien V is that they had Recovered a Engineer Ship that seemed to NOT be in too Good Condition... was this the Derelict?

Could the Derelict had Survived the Blast of Hadleys Hope?   Would the Eggs be Affected by Radiation?

Regardless of WHO/WHEN the Xenomorph was Created we can Wonder... was ONLY the ONE Ship Loaded with Eggs?

BD

You can have no Xenos but have variations of it. Star Wars is about more than the Skywalkers and Kill Bill has more than Thurman's character. There are different parts that you can pick out and spin in different ways. By having the Engineers, you could develop the monster, but they messed it up with the David-connection. Having it connected to the Engineers is something that I would have no problems with.

Colonists is a possibility, space-military, corporate garbage, chemistry, nukes, biological weapons, pharma-companies, space-gangsters (not Jabba the Hutt).

"You could Even  go and Explore that the Xenomorph Evolves a bit and Creates its OWN very ALIEN Technology and Ships but this would be a Aesthetically better looking Version of Starship Troopers.... i am NOT saying this Cant Work..."

Interesting, that would show that they are intelligent but don't explain too much (Aliens). No queen please that is too obvious.

"COMPLETE REBOOT"

If that's what's needed to evolve the franchise then maybe. By doing that you're not as much tied to past things but you got to get it right. Terminator 1 and 2 are good, I don't care about the rest.

"Ripley was the MAIN Character in all the Franchise the Problem with Alien R is that the other Characters just NEVER stood out..."

That has been the problem with all alien-movies after Alien 3. One movie or more they got to work otherwise we'll get disappointments like the prequels or AR. You mention Fury 161, they could do something about corporations and privatized police or military. I would like to see more about the Engineers and not just as pissed off giants. Keep the Engineers and make them interesting, that could become something good.

I would like to see something different rather than seeing a Xeno for the 100th time, or another android-movie. Please no more alien-queens because they are done. Maybe you can tie it to climate change, it could work if they get it right and get a good story because that theme is important. Alien Covenant was about a mad robot the way it came off on the screen and yes it was about more than that but that is how I think of it when I see the movie.

"COMPLETE REBOOT"

I can read it now:

Fan: "Sigourney Weaver will always be MY Ripley! Margot Robbie is a horrible choice!...I don't care how hot she is......unless they include that shuttle scene.....Hmm...that might work!!...Margot will make an excellent Ripley!!"

The casting for Ripley would be an amazing way to generate interest.....Or at least gauge it.

The way things are at Disney, I doubt they'll hire Margot Robbie as Ripley.

"You can have no Xenos but have variations of it. Star Wars is about more than the Skywalkers"

Exactly ;)  I think the Prequels with Prometheus had OPENED UP the Franchise to more Possibilities its just Unfortunate that we may LIKELY never see these Explored. (inc Engineers)

"Colonists is a possibility, space-military, corporate garbage, chemistry, nukes, biological weapons, pharma-companies, space-gangsters"

I think these are more LIKELY as far as the TV Series and IF we get another Alien Movie, i think you will see Xenomorph Connections but i think other Elements above could be Fleshed Out.... i also think that A.I will be Explored more too.  Sadly more about the Engineers, what other Worlds/Races they Created, their History/Agenda and Horrors are things i am NOT sure we will see again.... NOT SOON anyway.

I think we would be more LIKELY to see some kind of Reboot/Retcon of Canon/Plot when we get our TV Series and any Movies.

If we get a COMPLETE REBOOT... as i said before all you have to KEEP is the ALIEN and the Company... you dont need same Characters, or Same Ship or Exact same Plot....  as thats just a REHASH! (Robocop)

I would be OPEN for a RE-IMAGINING though. (Planet of the Apes).