"Aliens" , the worst "Alien movie" ever

@BigDave

“For ME the Ideal Conclusion before we had the Prequels would be that the Space Jockey is a Bio-Mechanical Being, it has more in Common with the Xenomorph than a Humanoid, Mammal or any Organism......”

I agree. It would be one hell of an improvement on a suited Engineer.

The “snorkel” certainly looks odd, but it is very much in keeping with Giger’s bondage aesthetic that shows up in many of his pictures. The creature is bonded to the chair, and there’s no way out for it. The creature is defined by the chair and vice versa. Giger knows very well this symbiosis will discomfort the audience. For me, it induces claustrophobia.

Certainly...

You can see some Influences in this Image, inc the Influences on the Space Suits in Hr Gigers Mural for ALIEN that was Never Used.

If it was DOWN to me i would Consider introducing a 10-12ft  Alien Species as ABOVE who are the Creators/Enslavers of the Engineers.

Really? How was it clear that she died at the end of Alien? And saying that Cameron took a almost unkillable creature and turned it into a beatle you can kill with a shotgun? Umm did you watch alien? The whole thing? Thay had no weapons. They were not on a marine carrier full of weapons. They had to make a weapon. So your entire thought process is damaged. 

Holy crap really? The alien imitating Ripleys voice if that was suggested should have been taking out the whole idea is stupid. Even if they didn't take that out what would they story been? 1 alien comes to earth?? Boring 

Ash says: You can't kill it. You don't know what you're dealing with. He knew full well they had flamethrowers.
Alien at the end goes into the spacecraft's thrusters and is only ejected by pressure when the engines are turned on. It won't burn. The shot is repeated.
Dallas is found with  empty flamethrower. Parker: This flamethrower needs a new charge. It's safe to assume he fired on the Alien.
A flamethrower can kill monsters like polar bears. But even the spacecraft's thrusters don't work on the Alien.
A bunch of Marines with rifles were shooting Aliens like cattle in a pasture. Vasquez with a pistol. It's completely stupid. Aliens would be easier to hunt in the forests of Earth than bears or lions.
Nobody's saying that Alien should have come to Earth. Ripley should have died and the pile of garbage that was filmed later wouldn't have happened. And that would have been great.

Uhhh the marines were slaughtered by the xenomorphs, also Vasquez unloaded an entire pistol clip into that xenomorph warrior, it was still pretty tough. Yes we see xenomorphs gun down but are they actually dead? They may have just got knocked down from the impact of the pulse rifle...aside from the ones Ripley killed in the hive.

Also Ash was pretty much worshipping the xenomorph at that point of the movie and he is capable of lying and withholding information.

Boo this man, throw rotten eggs upon him, curse his endeavors to fail, lol.
For real though, I'm a huge AvP nerd and Aliens is so far the GOAT...unfortunately.  I first remember seeing it when I was like 7 or 8 but as I watched it, some things were familiar, so I know my actual first time was before I had a fully functioning memory.  I've seen it countless times since, heck just watched the directors cut AGAIN 3 weeks ago with my roommate who hadn't seen the theatrical release since he was a teenager.  
Now Alien 3, that's a poster child for how to not make a movie.  Kill off Newt and Hicks right out the gate?  WTAF!  Even the director wishes he had never made it.  Now, Charles Dutton, Sigorney, and Jeremy Irons were fantastic and given that they started filming with NO SCRIPT, I gotta give the whole cast props on their improvisation.  
TBH, I understand the first movie is necessary viewing to the uninitiated, but I always get kinda bored with it.  Very few movies scare me for even a second, Alien no exception.  Poor John Hurt though, he dies in the worst ways possible in every role.  Not cluing in the rest of the cast on what was about to happen was a stroke of genius.

I don't this increasing amount of hate that ALIENS is getting, did people forget about Alien Resurrection or the AVP movies?

AvP is good fun for me. I don't have an aversion to this movie like I do to Aliens, A3 etc. Aliens vs Predator has its own world. It has its rules. It doesn't touch the original Alien at all. It's a different universe. It's a different time. Each of the monsters just has their own charm and I like AvP.
It doesn't deal with where the Alien species originated, it doesn't make nonsensical connections between events. The director showed a sense of fun when he combined the two monsters, created a reality of sorts, and it worked. Unfortunately, AvP2 is a tragedy for me. But if I have to choose a movie from the Alien universe that didn't ruin my mood and instead entertained me, it's AvP.

If I had to compare it to something AvP, it's Godzilla vs Kong. Unfortunately, that movie failed, I mean, just in principle.
Godzilla has an origin. It's a serious movie about a monster that could destroy humanity. The director made it for a reason. King Kong is also about a monster. It was made for a completely different reason. Again, the director has a message here. Both films are excellent.

Godzilla vs Kong is made for one reason. To have fun. To fight monsters. A spectacular show. If the director had given it an idea it would have been a fine film, but it doesn't interfere with or borrow anything from the original films - except the monsters.

AvP also doesn't borrow anything from Alien or Predator other than the monsters. And on top of that, there's a fun story where I'm having fun and not looking forward to it ending. On the contrary. That's why I like AvP. It doesn't play at anything. Action, fun, suspense. It's not gonna beat the original Alien or Predator. Aliens, A3 or Alien Covenant does.

I can't take anyone serious if they praise AVP 04 as a good or fun movie

 Agreed that Aliens is vastly inferior to Alien and made the resulting franchise much less interesting than it could have been and reduces the Xenomorphs to mere, if marvelous, animals.

One major problem with the movie is that it involves a Sulaco that's nuclear-armed and doesn't even have a captain and a crew.

I'm not the biggest ALIENS fan...But it's a AWESOME movie.rnI'd reboot it in a second and change much of it....BUT It's my go to action / popcorn flick by a country mile!rnWish I could watch it on the big screen again ( and in 70mm FILM not digital! )

Aliens was my favorite movie. Loved the marines and their affection for each other, the developing love story between Ripley and Hicks, how Ripley showed a maternal side, and Apone was a great drill sergeant. I watch it over and over.

Aliens is an excellent film, and not just for the action sequences. You’re knee-deep in memorable characters, for one thing. To see Burke’s eyes darting about while he schemes is nothing to do with popcorn. You’re not going to spot that on the first viewing. I have watched Aliens numerous times. The dialogue is generally outstanding and - for its time - the special effects are pretty good.rnThe only things I really don’t like arern- rear screen projection, which is all too obvious at timesrn- the mushy conversation between Ripley and Newt when she’s tucked up in bedrn- timing error when Burke gets surprised ahead of the vocal he reacts torn- the Queen peering around a corner at Ripley - not convincingrn- Newt calling Ripley “mommy” near the endrnSmall niggles for a great movie. There are just too many good things to mention to make Aliens a bad movie.

I almost forgot Hudson. He made me laugh, especially when he was addressing his commanding officers. Wish he survived the movie and he was still around. R.I.P. Bill Paxton.

When I saw Alien, I was 15 years old and it was 1982. That's when I wanted an explanation above all else. And when I saw Aliens, I was excited at first. Hooray for action, combat, explanation. That's what the success of Aliens is based on. JC knew exactly what he was doing.rnBut as the years went by, I, who loved Alien despite my initial enthusiasm, suddenly understood the tragedy that Aliens caused for the original Alien.rnRS quite deliberately left out the explanation. Alien is a de facto gothic horror film. Humans have no chance of survival, although they don't know it at first. The audience doesn't know why or what it's all about. And that's the amazing thing.rnThere's a spaceship. Who built it? When was it built? We'll never know. There's a dead pilot. Something killed him from the inside. No other crew. The next storyline will explain why. If Nostromo hadn't taken off, the situation would have repeated itself. A dead body with bones outside and no one around.rnNow that I think about it in the discussion, it's better that Alien didn't include the scene with Dallas and Brett's cocoons. It left a mystery. By the way, the alien ship wasn't carrying eggs. Kane clearly says "It's a cave, hot as the tropics". So the alien ship landed over the egg cave instead of the pyramid.rnIt's a good thing there were no hints. It remained a mystery. I think Ripley's words "they probably wanted the monster for the armaments factory" is a deliberate hoax. The command in the Mother is not to fly to a specific planet. It's a command to investigate ANY source of intelligent life and import a sample. Unfortunately, Aliens uses this phrase to build a story to confuse the viewer.rnAlien is a polished gem, and anything extra already cancels it out. Even the cocoon scene. The goal is total mystery. No hint of explanation.rnThere's a similar case in the history of literature. E A Poe and his book on A G Pym. The hero reaches the South Seas at a time when the existence or size of Antarctica was unknown. And when the mystical atmosphere is at its peak a giant white glowing figure appears and the book ends. That's all we learn.rnJules Verne did not understand this Poe's idea of deliberately not revealing the point or wanted to capitalize on it and wrote the novel The Ice Sphinx where the expedition to Antarctica explains everything. The death of Pym, making a mystical figure into an ice stump looking like a sphinx, etc. Someone was happy and the explanation.rnBack to RS. The creation of Prometheus and Covenant were his biggest failures. He decided to suppress the other movies of the original Alien and shattered the mythology with more nonsense than one would expect. He got tangled up in his own thoughts and got stuck in them.rnYes, Aliens was the gateway to the creation of the Alien universe. Hence the many video games, comics and various sequels, etc. For me, Alien will always remain as a one-off. Untouchable. Mount Everest. And everything around it whether Aliens , , Alien 3, AvP or Covenant are just avalanches that have fallen from its slopes. The mountain would remain a mountain even if a thousand avalanches fell from it.rnAll the attempts to figure out "how it was" are the acts of children who want to know more and so they make stuff up. Fabulating. Usually to their own detriment  rn1) Where did the eggs come from in the cave? We don't know.2) why and where did the alien ship come from? We don't know. 3) Was the Alien intelligent or was it driven by perfect instincts? We don't know.rnThe sad thing is, after Scott built such a perfect structure, he joined the others who tried to destroy it for money. To no avail. In this, Alien is truly indestructible and has infected countless writers and audiences even without eggs. And it remains what it was meant to be. A mystery.

I'm still completely baffled by the movies and really wish they would rnfind a way to connect them all with some clear explanations. It would bern great to finally make sense of everything.

Aliens is an excellent film, and not just for the action sequences. You’re knee-deep in memorable characters, for one thing. To see Burke’s eyes darting about while he schemes is nothing to do with popcorn. You’re not going to spot that on the first viewing. I have watched Aliens numerous times. The dialogue is generally outstanding and - for its time - the special effects are pretty good.rnThe only things I really don’t like arern- rear screen projection, which is all too obvious at timesrn- the mushy conversation between Ripley and Newt when she’s tucked up in bedrn- timing error when Burke gets surprised ahead of the vocal he reacts torn- the Queen peering around a corner at Ripley - not convincingrn- Newt calling Ripley “mommy” near the endrnSmall niggles for a great movie. There are just too many good things to mention to make Aliens a bad movie.

I liked the Ripley character for the first time when she was mothering Newt. It revealed a maternal side to her, hinting that she rnwas likely missing her own daughter. Ripley's personal life was never rnexplored.