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Revived to Be Pulled Apart Again - Shaw Is Not Dead?

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Ati

MemberPraetorianOctober 10, 2017

I know that some members of the site find strange and surprising the possibility that David killed and reanimated some Engineers. In one of my previous topics I had shared some lines by David claiming that he can do that.

In one of the comments by concept artist Matt Hatton I have found something more bizarre regarding Elizabeth Shaw's fate.

Hatton: 'It wasn't just adults that David 'explored'. Here's a study of an Engineer child. The inference is, what did he do to get the musculature and then skeleton study? Yeesh!...'

--------: '...it's clear, and these are that much more unsettling when we see renderings of the Engineer children... diabolical.'

Hatton: 'But here's the zinger. If he's already killed everyone in the metropolis, he might be reviving them (we saw this in the previous film) or cultivating them specifically for his 'work'! Same with the different 'conflicting' drawings of Shaw. They could be different Shaws, or the same Shaw revived and reconstructed to be pulled apart again. Or maybe even worse...'

--------: "...reconstructed to be pulled apart again"... would mean her fate was even worse than we've seen or imagined... treading into some unspeakable places, where even my imagination was afraid to go!'

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Do you know why these lines can be so important?

If Hatton confirms that it is possible that we see a Shaw clone in Alien Covenant, it can't be stated that Elizabeth is dead. In other words, the character can be brought back, Shaw might return in the next Alien movie.

For the full comment section, visit Hatton's instagram page:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZXJL5Llrk8/?taken-by=matthatt0n

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Ingeniero
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I'm not sure I can handle something this significant right now Ati. I wasn't ready with a witty response. You might need to put a disclaimer on epic reveals such as this. Really great work.

Yes dk. I do agree more of this needs to be in the film. Why not make a Part 1 and Part 2 epic like the classic Ben Hur or Spartacus? 

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I feel like this is one of those, well, olive branches, that may not lead to anything in the end. It serves well for those of us who would like Shaw to be alive, especially if we want to create our own in-world stories. I like it, but we'll see how far into these processes that Scott and company can afford to get into with the next film(s), or what more books can do. 

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These drawings and scribblings weren't shown in detail in the movie (they were meant to be viewed at a distance giving the picture of David studying and experimenting). I would say that experimenting on engineers, reviving dead engineers, reviving Shaw etc are the fantasies of the artists making them. The movie itself is more ambiguous when it comes to a lot of things.

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In case David cloned Shaw, which I seriously think it's a bad approach like the Alien Resurrection's cloning of Ripley,  he might have done it solely for his experiments.  He has enough 'good souls' now so he does not need a new clone. Shaw can only return in a movie that covers the time between Prometheus and Covenant, all other options suck.

All this reanimating the dead stuff is unnecessary and silly and I hope they don't go down this path.

I agree with chli that those sketches are the artists' fantasies rather than part of the actual story.

Too many cooks in the kitchen. 

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Going back through David's drawings has me wondering who the notes (text) is for?  He's a super computer!  He would not need reminders (nor drawings for that matter).  Logic mistake in the movie?  Or was this a how-to guide he is making for someone that can read English?  Maybe intended for Shaw in documenting a cure (if we find she is in fact infected but stabilized in cryostasis), or for the company?  For the company wouldn't make sense though since he could upload what he knows.

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I think the drawings and notes come from his "artistic" or "malfunctioning" side.  He does a lot that resembles what humans would do.  Plus, he seems very intent on being recognized for his works and all that he is able to do.  I think he has it in his mind that documenting all of this will "WOW" whoever ends up seeing it, if anyone does.

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Thank you for the comments.

Ingeniero - Thank you very much.

MonsterZero - 'The original Shaw could be in a hyper sleep chamber deep in the bowels of Planet 4. Just awaiting Walter or someone to awaken her'

I like it very much! I had a similar idea in May, and I had a post about the possibility of her return as well at that time. She can return if they want. They know what they do. Time will tell.

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One thing that they got right in Covenant was that they killed off Shaw. I don't want her back, she is dead, end of story. A sort of reanimated Shaw seems really absurd so I hope that they won't have that in the next movie, it would probably be worse than the David-centricity in Covenant

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I like the idea of a cloned Shaw, never thought along those lines, but it raises the possibility of her coming back

It's quite viable too.

Assuming the juggernaut that crashed can no longer maintain cryo pods, there's also that huge hanger with an abundance of juggernauts that would have working cryo pods

Perhaps that's where David got his specimens from too, their may have been sleeping engineers in those juggernauts, awaiting the return of the elders

Perhaps the reason the central square opening up when the juggernaut arrived was so the elders could descend into the hanger, pick and revive an engineer, greet the crowd and leave with him to seed another planet.

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Rather than a Shaw clone, I like the idea that Shaw was never dead and that David cloned her while she remained in hypersleep somewhere hidden on Planet 4.

Narratively for Awakening, it could work well with Walter discovering the real Shaw as the Engineers arrive. We have already discussed how furious the Engineers would be at David, but hell hath no fury for a woman scorned - imagine Shaw's anger and hatred towards David after discovering that he had cloned her and used those clones to develop his version of the perfect organism.

I say his version as I believe it is the Engineers version of the same creature that will prove to be the biomechanical nightmare we were introduced to in the 1979 original. I don't feel as though David created the Xenomorph nor becomes the Space Jockey, but I do feel as though Davids crusade is what made Weyland Yutani aware of the Xenomorph.

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Gavin - 'Rather than a Shaw clone, I like the idea that Shaw was never dead and that David cloned her while she remained in hypersleep somewhere hidden on Planet 4.'

Yes, I had the same idea some months ago. Only the real Shaw!

'Narratively for Awakening, it could work well with Walter discovering the real Shaw as the Engineers arrive.'

And the title Awakening could work as well - in spite of the fact that I think I'm not the only one who doesn't like this title.

I hope they'll choose this storyline.

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I really hope Shaw will return in some way.

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if im right then the different drawings of shaw were done by david himself and r not just concept art that never got into the film. this would definitely lead to the thought that there were multiple versions of shaw to experiment on and he may not have actually killed the original. even for a synthetic the actual process of creating a grave sight yet not burying the body seems a little out of place, as david himself is methodical in everything he does. the original shaw may be in the grave, unharmed by david and he experimented on clones?

I wouldn't bring her back though. for me its too late for her character to have any real impact now as I feel theyv missed that opportunity for the shaw character plus wev already had the 'resurrection' plot in AR. time to kill daniels now (hopefully) and move on

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How about..:  She is still alive and in the grave buried! Being kept alive with drugs...maybe a small light, small bit of air and water a waste tube............. David is just  testing her resilience.

I remember a 70's movie..buried alive..or something...man that movie gave me nightmares even to this day.

 

Can't imagine her mental condition ....buried alive in a coffin for 10 years...hope she isn't claustrophobic!! Smothered and unable to move 24/7.

Maybe in a hundred years David will pop back to Planet 4 dig her up and ask how she is?

 

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digs her up then asks 'cup of tea, ma'am?'

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Ati
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MonsterZero - 'She is still alive and in the grave buried!'

Believe it or not, I thought something similar: she is in the grave, she is still alive - but in a cryo chamber. David put the chamber in the grave...

We don't see the cryo pods of the pilot room in Covenant - perhaps it was intentional.

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