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Revived to Be Pulled Apart Again - Shaw Is Not Dead?

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Ati

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I know that some members of the site find strange and surprising the possibility that David killed and reanimated some Engineers. In one of my previous topics I had shared some lines by David claiming that he can do that.

In one of the comments by concept artist Matt Hatton I have found something more bizarre regarding Elizabeth Shaw's fate.

Hatton: 'It wasn't just adults that David 'explored'. Here's a study of an Engineer child. The inference is, what did he do to get the musculature and then skeleton study? Yeesh!...'

--------: '...it's clear, and these are that much more unsettling when we see renderings of the Engineer children... diabolical.'

Hatton: 'But here's the zinger. If he's already killed everyone in the metropolis, he might be reviving them (we saw this in the previous film) or cultivating them specifically for his 'work'! Same with the different 'conflicting' drawings of Shaw. They could be different Shaws, or the same Shaw revived and reconstructed to be pulled apart again. Or maybe even worse...'

--------: "...reconstructed to be pulled apart again"... would mean her fate was even worse than we've seen or imagined... treading into some unspeakable places, where even my imagination was afraid to go!'

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Do you know why these lines can be so important?

If Hatton confirms that it is possible that we see a Shaw clone in Alien Covenant, it can't be stated that Elizabeth is dead. In other words, the character can be brought back, Shaw might return in the next Alien movie.

For the full comment section, visit Hatton's instagram page:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZXJL5Llrk8/?taken-by=matthatt0n

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cuponator3000
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David conquered death maybe? Or, he learned from what the Engineers had started in that manner possibly. Or both! It seems that David was able to do much more on Planet 4 than I initially thought. More than I thought possible, at least.

He is on more of a God level than I figured they would go. Weyland really created a monster!

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It is also kind of funny that if the Engineers knew of how to bring back the dead (in any capacity), then Weyland going to find them JUST to be granted more life was actually a good idea! It was a fool's quest, but it was also, like, true.

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Thank you Ati for these confirmations, very insightful and is in line with what we saw in Prometheus/A:C!

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

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cuponator3000 - 'It is also kind of funny that if the Engineers knew of how to bring back the dead (in any capacity), then Weyland going to find them JUST to be granted more life was actually a good idea! It was a fool's quest, but it was also, like, true.'

Brilliant point! You may hit the target. These are connected.

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Lawrence of Arabia - Do you remember the time when we were talking about the possibility that the drawings by David show different Elizabeth clones?

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The return of Shaw could work, and not obstruct the philosophy of Alien Covenant. However, would the return obstruct the story of Awakening?

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trokanmariel - Awesome! Perhaps Awakening referring to Shaw?

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I feel like Shaw is gone for good. They showed her dissected body laying out in his workshop.  Other than the possibility of cloning, which didn't seem likely given the resources available to David on Planet 4, Shaw looked a bit too pulled apart to be put back together and be revived in any useful sense.

The black goo may have certain properties that can reanimate a fresh corpse or something that is still completely intact, but in the normal black goo fashion, whatever is reanimated should begin to mutate after the goo gets into the blood and DNA.

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drucea - 'They showed her dissected body laying out in his workshop.'

A clone? :)

'Other than the possibility of cloning, which didn't seem likely given the resources available to David'

We don't know much about the resources available to David. :)

He created eggs, some monsters, etc. The creation of those doesn't need resources? :)

I just wanted to say that they can bring back Elizabeth Shaw if they want. And this idea is based on Hatton's words.

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A thought about Elizabeth Shaw's return in Covenant 2:

It would be interesting to see the result of a vote trying to find out how many members/readers would like to see Shaw's return in the Alien Covenant sequel.

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The problem is, going only by the movie, there was no evidence or suggestion of Shaw being cloned- at least from what I saw. I know there were drawings and such, but that doesn't seem to suggest she was cloned.

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dk - 'there was no evidence or suggestion of Shaw being cloned'

Hatton writes the opposite:

'Same with the different 'conflicting' drawings of Shaw. They could be different Shaws...'

His sentence suggests that, in fact, the drawings are not conflicting because they show different Shaws. More Shaws... More clones...

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Ati Understood. I am considering viewers who watched only the movie and didn't dig into supplementary pictures or writings. Watching only the movie, it seems reasonable to conclude that it was a dead plasicised Shaw on the slab.

Not to disagree with Hatton, but those drawings could have been David's ideas instead of drawings of results. 

I don't know of definitive proof either way.

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dk - I see your points. :)

'I am considering viewers who watched only the movie and didn't dig into supplementary pictures or writings.'

I think he is talking about the drawings shown in the movie for some moments.

'those drawings could have been David's ideas instead of drawings of results. I don't know of definitive proof either way.'

Exactly! And this is the most important factor. The possibility! And he speaks about the possibility as well.

My whole article is about the possibility. It is possible that Shaw will return.

As for my opinion, that would be an awesome surprise from Scott.

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Ati Agree about the possibility. I think it would be the only reasonable way to explain Shaw- or perhaps a clone- to appear again.

Interestingly, it would be a repeat of franchise history- many considered it a lame excuse to justify Resurrection by cloning DNA samples from Alien 3. (I was actually ok with that, so I should re examine my thoughts on Shaw lol).

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double post fixed.

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Somehow i feel reminded of various "lost plot" interviews from anotha brotha.....

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I saw an interview long ago suggesting several Davids at one point. It was also pointed out that RS talks a lot. 

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I have no problem with Shaw returning.

David could easily have cloned her?

The original Shaw could be in a hyper sleep chamber deep in the bowels of Planet 4. Just awaiting Walter or someone to awaken her(David stored her for safe keeping...it would be foolish to destroy the original?).

 

      Walter entered the enormous lower temple. Lining the walls were hundreds of sleep chambers, many inhabited by humanoids.  He began to examine the state of the chambers when he noticed a smallish humanoid figure occupied one of them. Walter immediately recognized her......Dr. Elizabeth Shaw!

 

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MonsterZero It should be in the movie proper though imo and not explained away in teasers and supplementary videos or books that the non hard core may never see.

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