Prometheus, an epic film with hidden meanings

"cross the aliens, you will go......well, to heaven".

an optimisit! i hope you're right and it really is that simple.

Yes its very ambigious to say the least.... and its what do you use to use as clues and what do you throw away... as the more you look at the Prometheus drafts, the Star Beast and Alien then you can start be lead in one direction thats different to the cut of Prometheus shows..

Be interesting to see what you mean by the Davids Head Code...

The latest comments that Ridley or Lindeloff made, was the Engineer was woken up and saw these beings their uninvited in his place, and then one of them starts to talk to him in his own Language and the Engineer was not to pleased with this and saw him as we would see a irritating Fly that you just want to stop... and so the Engineer pulled his head off to shut him up.....

Thats what they are trying to explain......

The movie however shows us they wake up a confused and suprised Engineer,  he then stands suprised when he can hear them talking... (did he not expect us to be able to do so?) then one who then talking to him is Shaw and he is  suprised and somewhat intriged by what is she saying (does he understand?)

Shaw is then silenced at the command of the old man, but she still keeps asking the Engineer stuff... now his face is of concern (pitty?)

Then Weyland orders David to talk to the Engineer, The Engineer looks puzzled and takes a look at Weyland puts his hand on David and has a sign of pitty on his face, then he picks David up by the head and goes postal pulling his head off and hitting Weyland with it...

No explantion... but the translation is that David asked the Engineer well told him that Weyland is dying and he wants the Engineer to give him more life....

This would make the Engineer mad i suppose!!!!!

But the deleted Scene and indeed when viewed with the others paint a very very very different picture.....

Once that to me shows the Engineer was no upset to start with, (did he have same feelings as the other Engineers to destroy us?)  it was only when he saw that Weyland was the one in charge and that he only cared for what he wanted and the needs of the rest of them did not matter.....  that only this OLD MANs Agenda is what mattered, so much that Shaws Questions was not relevent to the Old Mans Agenda and he had her shut up.....

David then goes on to tell the Engineer that Weyland is dying and he wants more life....  the deleted scenes show us then that Weyland starts to talk about how he sees himself as a God because he too has created Life (David) and Gods should never die...  now David did not translate this...  If he did i.e if there was a longer Scene even still, or if the Engineer sussed it out.....

regardless he saw this Old Man has came here, forsaking what others wishes are to persue his own Agenda to be granted more Life because he is dying would show the Engineer that Mankind is indeed a selfish race.... a hostile race, and now this Engineer knows they created Artificial Life in the same image as Mankind, he may have found this blasphemous and also that this Life Form well Android can not only speak the Engineer Tongue but can use their Technology and Mankind has managed to get to the Engineers Outpost....

At this point the Engineer realises that Mankind is a Race that are still Selfish and Barbaric but have now also evolved to travel the stars and create a Bieng that can use the Engineers Technology... there is NO WAY the Engineer can allow Mankind to be able to get its hands on such Technology so he Destroys David and then sets off to Finish the Job his brothers had attempted to do 2000 years prior...

Thats what i feel was going on, but it seems Fox and Ridley could be going for something else and tone down our Engineers.... in which case maybe fitting with how they could be going.... The Engineer could be reminded by David and Weyland that the Engineer is also a Servant of some higher being or creator who he also Hated (does not everyone hate their parents i.e creator).  And so the Engineer took care of Weyland who reminded him of his own creator and also of Weylands creation which is a abomination to the Engineer?

" "cross the aliens, you will go......well, to heaven".

an optimisit! i hope you're right and it really is that simple."

Maybe and maybe they are going that route? who knows... but i am drawn to the  Playing with Fire and you will get Burnt..... and that the Fire is the Tool of Creation which may have created Mankind without the consent of the Hierarchy on Paradise... and then somehow the Xeno was involved was this a punishment sent to the Engineers, or did they know they would be found out and tried to wipe away the evidence of our creation who knows..

But i feel that experiments with the Fire (Black Goo) and something related to the Xeno was another playing with Fire and getting Burnt!

Maybe to create one needed to destroy.. and so Sacrifice was needed and maybe not only by the Starting Scene... but also Sacrifice of Engineers to create something New, something Perfect..... and in the way you will get Burnt..... but i guess to them and their Agenda...

The Trick Potter... is not minding it hurts, in reply to it Burns!  Play with Fire and you get Burnt.... Prometheus Stole Fire and got punished etc... i think losely there are meanings behind all of this....  its not their by Accident?

Or is it?  are a lot of clues, just something not well thought out like the story of Lindeloffs Lost! Plots...

Playing with Fire and you will get Burnt..... and that the Fire is the Tool of Creation which may have created Mankind without the consent of the Hierarchy on Paradise... and then somehow the Xeno was involved was this a punishment sent to the Engineers, or did they know they would be found out and tried to wipe away the evidence of our creation who knows..

this is a very probable scenario as well. i don't think the engineers are intelligent though as the op stated. great intelligence comes with great responsibility and stewardship. i don't think the engineers have behaved in such a way with their creations. they've been reckless with their gifts. they've gone around spreading suffering if they really have created all the beings in the universe. but to go back to your point, about creating in secret, yes i can believe that. and it would make sense then that for a loving and caring God, at the top of the hierarchy, to allow these fallen races, fallen through no fault of their own, to be allowed to procreare as much as possible so that as many souls as possible could be saved from their suffering.

Once that to me shows the Engineer was no upset to start with, (did he have same feelings as the other Engineers to destroy us?)  it was only when he saw that Weyland was the one in charge and that he only cared for what he wanted and the needs of the rest of them did not matter.....  that only this OLD MANs Agenda is what mattered, so much that Shaws Questions was not relevent to the Old Mans Agenda and he had her shut up.....


this is what i thought about that scene as well. the only God that weyland worships is money. he does not care about the rest of humanity, just his power, and he gets his rewards for that.

It is going to be interesting in where they are going with this movie..  i think the scope of the movie and plans was going down a certain route and then they did a U-Turn... But then there are ambigious clues in the movie that show the Engineers may have not cared, and we was simply created because well, they could..... 

This is not to say this is the reason however, as its all ambigious.... but the broader picture holds clues to some importance...  and some Gods/Creators Connection. Lets look at some clues that back this up as shown in the movie and futher clues that back it up in the deleted scenes that may not count as Canon, and then Ridleys comments at the earlier time of Prometheus that may not count.

1) The clues seem to show the Engineers created us via seeding their DNA, the Sacrifical Scene looks to show this but it does not have to be Earth.... But then the DNA Match and how we look like the Engineers to a degree shows us that indeed the movie was hinting that we was CREATED FROM the Engineers, yes by them or they was used to create us by the command of some other higher hierarchy.

2) They had played a part in the advancement of Ancient Mankind, here the Prometheus references could point to such a thing.. but also the Star Maps.... how does Mankind depict and draw these Murals that show Giant Humanoid beings worshiped as Gods that are pointing to the same Star Map thoughout many Ancient Cultures?

Futher proof.... if the Engineers never visited and taught Mankind anything or at least some of them did, then how can David study Ancient Languages and then be able to read the Engineers Hieroglyphs nevermind stike up a conversation.. this is no Star Trek universal translator... The only way The Engineer and David could comunicate in a Ancient Tongue, that David learnt from the Study of many Ancient Languages.. is if the Engineers had taught this to Ancient Man, or they had learnt if off Ancient Man.

3) Now we are going to after to look at deleted scenes, the Engineer looked intrigged when he saw the Humans and Especially Shaw, he looked concerned for her and had a look of pitty on his face too....  The Deleted Scenes showed a longer conversation between David and the Engineer, in which without even Engineer Translation we knew what was being asked by David...  example "tell them why we came, as they asked"  which the David relayed to the Engineer and he replied... He then relayed to Weyland.. why did they come and what was they after... in which Weyland told David to tell the Engineer he is dying and wants more life...  which David did... the Engineer was upset at this and asked why should he grant Weyland such a thing... Weyland then proceeded to speak and tell the Engineer he is a creator like themselves and as a creator he is a God and Gods never die.... now David does not translate this to the Engineer and we cant be sure if there was a scene that did this....

This whole scene showed a different aspect to the Engineer..... this is futher backed up by the Engineer vs Shaw Full Scene... again he was bemused by the Voilin Girl, he could have easily had killed her..  There is a scene with the Engineer in Vickers Suite bending over reading a Book, again showing more depth to the Engineer as if he was fascinated at how far Mankind had developed without the Interaction of the Engineers.

4) The Elder Engineers scene showed more depth and purpose to the Engineers and the importance of the Sacrifice.... There is a another shot on the Furious Gods bonus, that we see the Elder Speak to the Engineer, and the dialog showed a great importance to his Sacrifice..... and again we have not seen the FULL SCENE The Sacrificial Engineer Daniel Twis/James said in a interview he had to learn a few lines of Alien Dialect that he had to use in a conversation with a Elder...... we never saw this even on the Furious Gods Bonus....  There are also other close up shots of 2 more Elders, that we never seen in the movie and what shows about 8 Elders in total.....

5) Ridley said the Engineers had played a part in evolution of Mankind over thousands of years and came back over and over to upgrade us both Genetically and also in teaching us stuff i.e Advancing our Culture, and Technology.

Until there was a point 2000 years or so ago, when we had displeased the Engineers and they sent down a emissary to try and put us back on the right path, and we crucified this emissary (hints at Space Jesus) which Ridley then futhered from and said that basically about that time of the Roman Empire Mankind was behaving in ways that displeased the Engineers, and this was the final straw.

These 5 clues seem to paint a different picture to the Engineers and Purpose.... we can then read into Prometheus Myth, and Murals and clues within to make some connection to all this and if we losely apply it to Common themes found in Ancient Cultures regarding Gods and Creation..

Ridley described the Engineers as Fallen Angels... which shows Rebelion, we see seeds of that in David and indeed hints from the clues above that Rebelion is what cause the Engineers to want our destruction....

But then  we have what looks like a U-Turn..... a change in ideas....

The removal of Scenes, all seem to add to a tone down of the purpose of the Engineer, he is being painted in more of a light of some Biological Terminator, who is awoken by Humans and realises that the mission was a failure and set out to carry on our destruction for no real given reason....

Ridley futher commented that these Engineers are just plain nasty SOB's and that Shaw and David will go to their Homeworld and find a Devil as oppossed to God,  a Race that is far from Benevolent, and Paradise is not going to be Paradise is in what Shaw would think that Paradise usually mean, and that these Engineers and who ever is above them (because they did not want to meet God in the first movie but they will in the next) are also not God in the traditional sense.

How and where this is going who knows, but the U-Turn would go in hand with and against the clues i put in previous post as far as Engineers, Creators and Mankind Creation connection and reasons for this and visiting us etc...   As Ridley put it No more £!"$%"£%" Gods and Dragons...

1) The clues seem to show the Engineers created us via seeding their DNA, the Sacrifical Scene looks to show this but it does not have to be Earth.... But then the DNA Match and how we look like the Engineers to a degree shows us that indeed the movie was hinting that we was CREATED FROM the Engineers, yes by them or they was used to create us by the command of some other higher hierarchy.

yes but were we created in the 'sacrificial process' or was it that the engineers procreated with human females, like it says in the bible about the giants that were on earth, or was it both? did they create humans through the sacrificial process then procreate with them? there's no way of knowing for sure with what's been shown in prometheus.

2) They had played a part in the advancement of Ancient Mankind, here the Prometheus references could point to such a thing.. but also the Star Maps.... how does Mankind depict and draw these Murals that show Giant Humanoid beings worshiped as Gods that are pointing to the same Star Map thoughout many Ancient Cultures?

Futher proof.... if the Engineers never visited and taught Mankind anything or at least some of them did, then how can David study Ancient Languages and then be able to read the Engineers Hieroglyphs nevermind stike up a conversation.. this is no Star Trekuniversal translator... The only way The Engineer and David could comunicate in a Ancient Tongue, that David learnt from the Study of many Ancient Languages.. is if the Engineers had taught this to Ancient Man, or they had learnt if off Ancient Man.

david is a bit of a mystery. i know that in the film the language spoen by david to the engineers is a lost and ancient language that actually existed. i can't remember what it's called. but if for the narrative of the film they choose it to not be an arth language, then that could be even more interesting. perhaps the engineers have the power to transport their consciousness through the universe to high tech androids and control them through their mind. that probably isn't the case, but it would be cool and maybe even open up new questions with regards to what synthetics are actually aware of.

Interesting thoughts....

But i still think the Idea and Plot for the movie was to show that the Engineers DNA played a part in our creation....  the movie is full of references to sugest that...   Yes we are shown that the Sacrificial Scene does not directly create Mankind and so these Engineers would have had to come and visit us over and over and futher experiment with the Life Forms on Earth and playing their part in the Evolution Genetically of life on Earth over Thousands if not Millions of years.... maybe the aim was not to create Mankind but life in general...

Our creation was one by a futher intervention from the Engineers or a group, and could this latest intervention to Evolve maybe Early Primates to Mankind be something that the Gods on Paradise was either against or unaware of? who knows!

I think the idea is that David Learned that Ancient Proto-Indo-European (PIE) Language and that the basis was the Engineers taught this Ancient Mankind.

But i guess anything is open for debate, Ridley did say the Engineers came back over many years to futher Evolve Mankind not only Genetically but also Technologically.

But you throw some interesting ideas all the same....

so yes who is to say that The Sacrifical Scene could not be set on another world and set in a time way past the creation of Man on Earth.... could there be another Race who created the Engineers from Mankind...?   and then used these Engineers created from our DNA to seed other worlds?

But i still the idea behind the Engineers was they seeded their DNA and then futher come back to the seeded worlds to help speed up Evolution here and there.

so yes who is to say that The Sacrifical Scene could not be set on another world and set in a time way past the creation of Man on Earth.... could there be another Race who created the Engineers from Mankind...?   and then used these Engineers created from our DNA to seed other worlds?

no i mean, what if the enginerrs created mankind, then procreated with their own creation. what would happen then? like i said just ideas, and you're probably right!

Yes i see what you mean about the "Daughters of Man" idea and i forgot to comment on that, i think this would have to imply that our Engineers can indeed procreate... Ridley did say the Seeding was not the only way to procreate but it was the way they chose to do it...

We do not know yet if our Engineers lack reproductive Organs or/and they are merely Clones and maybe can not procreate via Sexual Reproduction... but that does not rule out a mixing of their Genetics and a Female Womb some other means...

The comment you made is in reference to the Biblical  Fallen Angels and Daughters of Man to create the Nephilim (or Giants but saying that are these Engineers not Giants?  could they indeed have been not so Large and our Engineers in Prometheus on LV 223 are the result of inbreeding or some other means to mix the Engineers creators or Engineers at the start of the movies DNA with a Human Womans to make the Larger Engineers on LV 223?

Or is it all the same Engineers and the "Daughter of Man" could produce a Larger Engineer offspring and maybe that could answer the Space Jockey Size difference?

We dont know how literal the movie is borrowing from the Bible and other Ancient Cultures, i think there was some lose links between all those Ancient writtings and depictions of Giant Godlike beings and Mankind and a Creator/Creators connection i think losely Prometheus and our Engineers was based off such a thing, well they was intended to be the interpretation of such things by Ancient Man.

But how far they are willing to touch upon any of this or how far they may now futher themselves away from such links is unknown at this point....