Ultimate Lindeloff is a douchebag ruined Prometheus thread!

I think a lot was not thought through with the Movie.... i think that they started work on Props for Spaights drafts and ideas from his draft.... then when that was worked on but his draft dropped they then went with Lindeloffs but used Props that fitted with Spaights draft.

For example..... Lindeloffs drafts i have read two... only seems to be one to get online now, none of them explain or show us the Pile of Engineer Bodies....  they only describe the One and other draft there is this one and more behind it but never a seen of Bodies pilled up infront of the Door.... nope that Scene is taken from Spaights draft.

So if ideas of Spaights draft for those Boddies are then as the Props may had been worked on, and placed in the movie to then try fit in with Lindeloffs work could cause some confusion...

Another thing is....... The Deacon Mural as far as i can remember... Spaights and Lindeloff never even explained anything like this in their drafts they only described the Frescos vaguely.

So again the Mural could had been a Easter Egg but one in plain sight that takes up a lot of one of the movies biggest Money Shots... a nod towards Xeno DNA in that Temple and a nod to something similar to the Deacon at the End...

But maybe as it never appeared in any drafts as far as i am aware, so its just a Giger peice of Artwork that was added as Easter Egg? who knows but does this fit in with what Lindeloff or Spaighst ideas where.... so we thus get another Clue we use for Clues that may actually not had been connected at first!

Another Example Chest Busted Cryo Pods of the Engineers.... and we could be led that Chest Busted Organisms chassed down the Engineers and atacked them... hense Hollogram Scene of about a dozen running away from something...... then the piled up bodies...

Yet if work comenced on these to fit with Spaights draft then its even more easy to fit in as in Spaights draft every Engineer is infected it is just the Last Engineer had got into Cryo Sleep before the Chest Buster could develop to a level to be a threat....

Once he is awoken the process is then speeded up as the Engineer is not in a Hypersleep Freeze... this Engineer curses the Humans and David and says they have caused his death by waking him up he would now see his infection take its Toll....

Ridley hasn't made a great film since matchstick men :p ... But I'm still a massive fan I'll be at the premier of Martian with all things crossed! 

Lol just came across this (old one but a good one) I must admit I'm not as harsh as these guys but they speak allot of truth (and a few mistakes but I guess this was after one viewing and they didn't want to watch it after a few minutes) : 

I wonder if one day lindelof might say ha ha I did actually mess up the script on purpose I was having a big row with Ridley and or fox at the time...would be so funny!

Although I'm still rooting for the sucker punch move ... part 2 explaining why evening and everyone was so dumb...mind control!

@djamelameziane

I respect your opinion and each to their own, some on here will not agree however but hey that does not make your views invalid at all ;)  I think Ridley has made some ok movies and i have not watched them all because certain movies have not been my kind of type of movie...... but he has made some that are actually quite good, but i agree he has not made many great movies but thats my opinion... but i dont think Prometheus was bad....  the more you study it and more you watch it the more it grows on you.  A lot like the 1982 The Thing.

As far as Lindeloff goes he has taken the can for the movie and script, he has been the Scapegoat and he has accepted and taken the blame but he also does not really care what people think.

But if you read Lindeloffs Draft well the only one i can find anymore which is in the Original Post, then iif you read this and imagine this being put to Screen exactly as it was in the Script...

You will see some of the stuff was not as messed up... for One as i put in my first reply it shows that Fifield was stonned and he picked up the Hammerpede and pointed it towards Milburn and then it attacked Milburn, so it was not as a silly case as we saw in the Movie...

Also the video above i dont think they have studied the movie as much as many, and they are nit picking and the way they pulled this movie apart they would find faults with Star Wars... or any other movie... i think they basically are disapointed they never had a Porn Corn Movie like Alien Resurection or the Alien vs Predators, and also disapointed the movie did not explain how why and when these Engineers came into contact with the Xenos...

I could pick apart their failure to understand some elements more than they have picked at them...

For one i will pick out the disapointment for OLD MAN WEYLAND... what these guys fail to realise is that Pearce was not picked for just being a Old Man, i mean who is gonna pick a Younger Guy to play a Old Man in a movie... (OK Bad Grandpa lol)

They fail to see that the movies draft had a Scene of Weyland being Younger, this Scene was going to be shot, they even spent a lot of money on a Set... now did they shoot it or not? We cant be sure..... but they did schedule to shoot a Weylands Dream Scene and so it would been better to cast a Younger Actor then apply OLD MAN MAKEUP Than try and and make a casted old actor look younger or cast a additonal Actor to play a younger Weyland..

That is why we had Guy Pearce, Ridley liked his Acting Skills and Accent and thought he was ideal for the role and he was signed up and contracted and shooting began and the movie was due to have Younger Weyland Dream Scene, but it was to be shot latter, so they shot scenes of Old Man Weyland with the intention of latter shooting and using the Dream Scene but for some reason this Scene never happened, it was either not Shot or was but not used...

Was they then through shooting of the movie and after Pearce had studdied the Script, to then say oh last minute we are not shooting the younger Scene and sorry we now dont need you and then look for another older Actor?

And i dont think the Old Man Weyland was as bad as some make out!

Interesint stuff although much of what is said here has been said previously with the possible exception of one very vocal defense of Lindelof and his wriiting style.  @BigDave and I (and other 'regulars') have frequently covered this territory but I'll add something that perhaps hasn't been articulated clearly here. 

When it was announced that Ridley would revisit the Alien franchise that he began, many of us were thrilled that we would finally learn the backstory regarding the "space jockey" - you know, the 15 foot tall guy sitting in the chair on LV-426 with his chest bones protruding and his spinal column appearing on the front of his body instead of his back?  Yeah, that one.

What we received however wasn't his backstory but a grand vision of how sentient life began on some planet - maybe Earth, maybe not.  And later we discover that cave paintings all over the world show the same thing - a big guy pointing to something on the wall or ceiling that our heroes decide must be a star system unknown to the locals when the drawings were made.  Does this shed any light on the space jockey above?  No but Ridley et al attempt to address this by developing a story whereby shorter and prettier versions of the space jockey are developing a biological weapon on a moon in the same system.  Does this add anything significant to the original story?  Of course not - and Ridley tells us subsequently that Prometheus was never really about the space jockey anyway.

What we see is a mashup of multiple writing styles and stories, some of which are coherent and some that simply miss the point.  But you can't fault the visual design which remains impressive years later.

"But you can't fault the visual design which remains impressive years later."

some interesting comments and i will touch up on them now, but first the above... and i think its relevent to your post..  There is a flaw with  the Visuals and that is our as you put it Smaller more Pretty Space Jockeys.

The intention was 15ft, Spaights draft they was 15ft Lindeloffs they was 12ft and finally they decided to make them supposed to be 10ft tall, when surely they would know we would notice the size difference? ahh but the Space Jockey Grew out of his Chair, as if he was some Giant Space Tampon lol That would fix that!

What happened was they failed to present to us a sense of Scale to fool us about a 10ft race of Engineers.... this is not the first time this happened, in Alien our Space Jockey was supposed to be 26ft tall and to achieve that Scale Ridley cast Child Actors as the crew walk upto the Space Jockey and Enter the Pilot Room... this shot shows us how magnificent and huge the Space Jockey was..... but the next shot as the Crew Climb up to take a closer look we clearly see the Space Jockey Magically Shrinks.. and we can see it is about 15ft mark on a  16-17ft Pilot Chair which was the Props size.

So its a case of ok we messed that up, and are left with a 15ft Space Jockey so lets make a sequel to explore the Space Jockey and his Race... which Spaights draft did, it was hinting at maybe the Chest Buster Scene at the end could have been the same crashed ship as in Alien. But then it may had been another.

They re-wrote the draft to take it away from the Xenos and the event on LV 426 but to explore the Space Jockey Engineer Race who were to be 15ft tall Bald White as Snow Humanoids who wear Bio-Mechanical Space Suits that is what the Space Jockeys wore.

But on Screen we got to see a supposed toned down 10ft brothers of the Space Jockey Race, who ended up only looking 8ft tops.... if they had used the same Camera Trickery and Effects as The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit they could have pulled off this Illusion.

So while they are not telling The Actual Space Jockeys Story they are trying to explore and evolve the Story Behind which Race of beings does this Space Jockey come from, where does he come from.. what was his Ship and Cargo....  The movie draft by Spaights basically covered that subject by showing us they was Bald 15 foot Humanoid Engineers who played a part in our creation and also experiemented on a whole manner of Organisms related to the Xeno to create 8 different kinds on LV 426

Lindeloff changed Location to LV 223 as a Outpost tonned down Xeno like Organisms running around but still gave us clues to the connection between the Juggernaught and Derelict being similar and having the same purpose and that LV 223 these Engineers carried out Experiments related to the Xeno on LV 426 Genetically but they just never exactly told us HOW and WHEN as far as the Xeno on LV 426 as far as creation and connection with the Engineers and its Origins.

I dont think we would ever ever see the Space Jockey Story... but we would get clues i would imagine to pretty much allow us to get the Answer without having to see a flash back of his event.

FOR THE RECORD...

Ridley did cover his Story in interviews and that is that he is related to our Engineers, the event of LV 426 and LV 223 are related in some connection, the Space Jockey had left from a undisclosed Location with his Cargo and became infected with his said Cargo and knowing he and his ship was Comprimised he set down a course to the nearest baron place where he could Quarantine his Ship and Cargo and set off a Warning Beacon to Warn his Fellow Space Jockey (Engineer) Race... he was attempting to Land his Ship when in the final stages he then became Chest Busted.

This event happened within a few hundred years of the Outbreak on LV 223 that caused most of the Engineers to die out..... so thats 1800-2200 years ago give or take a bit.

Ridley had in other comments although vague seem to after Prometheus give some clues and suggest the Space Jockeys Cargo had Evolved and got to the Space Jockey  and then hinted about LV 223 connection... so he was either leaving LV 223 or heading towards it...

This last peice of information has made things a little more confusing... and well kind of impossible which i will explain in a Ultimate Space Jockey Story Thread....  But i have a explantation that i think could very well fit in with what happened....  But its one that could place the Two Ghost Engineer Scenes as being at different times but then they looked relaxed...... Lindeloffs draft has more detail on the 2nd Ghost Engineer Scene that adds some Panic However... but i guess we can only take what we see on Screen as Canon.

They (Fox) wanted to step away from a Xeno fest movie, and try something else... that would link Xeno DNA but concentrate on our Space Jockey (Engineers) but as far as their Race in general and their Agenda and Purpose and connection to Bio-Weapon Organisms and Experiments with their Bio-Weapon Cargo Ships the Juggernaught/Derelict rather than cover the story of the Space Jockey and his Cargo which happened thousands of years ago well so we was first told and how it also looked, but do they make a movie thats set thousands of years ago... and how would Humans play a part..

Well they in Spaights draft tried to link the Space Jockey event within the timeframe of just before Alien i.e late 22nd century i,e 2100 or abouts. But then thats not to say that the crashed Juggernaught in Spaights draft was the one in Alien as another could have crashed thousands of years before.. but as Ridley hinted the Sacrifical Scene did not have to be Earth.... the movie was set up to show us it was.. and likewise Spaights draft was set up to show us the Derelict event was a result of the end of his Alien Engineers movie...