Milburn

should this be a sequel thread?

Sadly we shall never ever know....

Unless they plan a movie that would take us back to LV 223...

The Hammerpedes and Deacon where all Sadly Plot Devices to show a connection between the LV 223 outpost and what was found on LV 426 i.e Xeno DNA.

What is interesting is Lindeloff hinted at a connection between the Hammerpedes and our Alien Xeno in Alien, he made a vague comment about a connection between Hammerpedes and the Eggs...

Now this cant really add up, as it is not to be taken that our Hammerpedes evolve into the Xeno or lay the Eggs that was on the Derelict, as for that well somehow the Hammerpedes would have to get onto a Engineer Ship, that would then latter crash land on LV 426, which we are led to have been on LV 426 for thousands of years.

We can not rule out that Hammerpedes had been created in the past, as they do appear to had been a lifeform (worms) native to LV 223 or at very least a lifeform that was not brought to LV 223 by the crew of Prometheus.

So there is potential the Worms could had been exposed in the past, not the ones we saw in Prometheus, but we cant rule out in the past that other Worms and the Goo was ever mixed..

So maybe we can not rule out the Hammerpedes leading to the Eggs but i doubt it.

HOWEVER.....

There is a connection between how Worms reproduce and how the Alien Organism kind of does as far as Alien DC....

Worms are Hermaphrodites but they are not Parthenogenic...  this means Worms need to mate, just that worms are both male and female but they can not reproduce themselves i.e cant impregnante themselves....

After Worms mate, they shed a layer of skin well a Sheath that is around the reproductive Organs, the  fertilised eggs are stored inside this sheath that then becomes a Cooon and inside this the eggs evolve into hatchlings.

These grow into Worms and the whole Cycle starts again...

If we now consider that the Worms on LV 223 are in a way similar to ones on Earth, as far as reproduction and looking how Xeno DNA evolves the best attributes of the Organism (i.e rapid regeneration of its cut off head).

I can then in theory, kind of give a example of how the Hammerpedes reproduce...

They would if they still have functions of the worms they once was, they would then have to be two Hammerpedes that can then mate and then both impregnate each other.

There could be some cocooning process that occurs inwhich Eggs or a Egg is then grown inside, this Egg then matures and evolves into a smaller Hammerpede which grows and then can reproduce.

As long as there is more than one Hammerpede they can keep reproducing..

However we can not be sure as far as the Alien/Prometheus movie and Xeno DNA effects, predict if all we get is Hammerpedes, we do not know if Hammerpedes evolve into another Organism, we do  not know if they have another part of their life cycle and may even have some kind of Metamorphosis to produce something different or even connected to Face Huger.

We simply dont see anything that can prove or disprove what happens, next and my ost above is just how they would reproduce based on worms.

However, that does not take into account the Xeno DNA reproductive system.. and how much a Hammerpede has of that...

But then we need ask why did it Face Rape Milburn?

Maybe the Hammerpede needs something from a host to reproduce, thus maybe it has to use something that a Host has, to then change into a Cocoon to store its Eggs, but this would sugest the Hammerpedes are Parthenogenic, which they could be as well we see the Xeno is from Alien movies.

Alien DC and Star Beast shows the Organism can use genetic material of a Host to create a Cocoon that can become a Egg...

Aliens shows us the Queen produces Eggs, but we dont see any males or matting, maybe the Queen thus is Parthenogenic?

If we combine the two with the Hammerpede then maybe the Hammerpede some how can reproduce itself, or maybe they have reproduced with each other but we did not see this.

But either way the Hammerpede needs a host to lay its Eggs, so they may hatch.

I would thus assume that the Logical route for Milburn would be that something is growing inside of him, be that a single Organism or a few Organisms.

Now would these Organisms result in just more Hammerpedes? or would they in part take on some Human DNA we just can not be 100% at this point.

So the Lindeloff comment!

To me this implies that the Hammerpedes like the Xeno, needs a Host to reproduce and that at very least the Hosts body needs to be used to incubate the Hammerpedes offspring and that the Hammerpedes can either reproduce with each other like Worms, or they may even reproduce Parthenogenetically.

hmmm. I just thought that the Hammerpede's simply became evolved into their ultimate form. Whether they eat anything is debatable. As Milburn was killed by one it would be doubtful his body was to be used for breeding. I think that this is an example of what happens when an animal (ala Fiffield) other than an Engineer comes in contact with the black goo, it is simply morpheded into an abomination, destoned to evolve freakishly which ultimately just lead to death. Perhaps the Engineers are the only creature able to injest the black goo and are able to create neocreation.

There is a lot of unkowns as far as the Hammerpedes, we dont really see what happens next and i doubt we ever will.  So the Milburn incident was just a assumption, and he may have just choked to death on the Hammerpede (asphyxiation)

I was just making a theory that as the Xeno needed hosts for its Embryos, and i was looking at how Worms Procreate and wondered if Hammerpedes are Hybrid Worms that have some Xeno DNA then maybe they would need to use Hosts for their Eggs to evolve and not the Cocoons that real Worms use.

As for the Black Goo, well its a bit of a mess, something that never had much thought put into it as far as Purpose, what it does, and the outcome... but this kind of planning and plots are common with Lindeloffs writting.

Spaights draft was more simple, in essence he created the whole Sacrifical Cup and Urns only his had Nano Scarabs and not Black Goo but they performed the exact same function.

At its basic concept the Original Idea and one that Prometheus seemed to follow was as follows.

Nano Scarabs/Black Goo = Bio Former...

Bio Former in Sacrificial Bowl

Breaks down the consumers Genetic Material, Molecule by Molecule, the resulting broken down material is fused with the Bio Former and becomes a new substance.. that then acts as below..

Bio Former in Urns

This substance infects Organisms and when it does it somehow infects the DNA and Mutates it, it starts some rapid mutation process where the Organisms best traits are evolved while the Organism takes on the best DNA traits of the Organism that was Sacrificed to produce the new Bio Former Agent within the Urns via the Sacrifical Bio Former Process.

Yes, that makes sense Big Dave. Perhaps the Urns were simply like bombs. Dropped on planets to mutate and ultimately kill all life on a planet. Perhaps whatever happened on LV223 was a one off which managed to produce a Xenomorph capable of living, growing, maturing and breeding on its own, leading to one Engineer being face hugged before leaving on the Derelict and landing on LV426.....

Well we can not be 100% sure of what the Goo and Xeno connection actually is, and what ever clues was given and route they was going could have been changed.

Spaights draft seems to indicate that the LV 426 (which is where his draft was staged) they had a outpost that had a purpose for creating and experimenting on different varieties of Xeno Life Form.  We dont really get much of a idea about if these Organisms came from one Original Life Form, or if they came from what was stored within the Urns.

As far as Prometheus goes, again we are left in the dark apart from their is 100% a connection between the Urns and the Xeno, but in what order we can not be sure.  The clues are a little bit vague and incoherent.  But it does sugest that the Engineers had already had contact with some Organism that was related Genetically to the Xeno and DNA within the Urns.

The Mural also shows some kind of importance as far as a Organism that they held in high regard and it could be that this Organism is what the Xeno and Goo DNA came from, or most likely was something that they had created from experiments and contact with a related Organism.

The resulting Organism is something they was facinated with and they attempted to re-engineer it until the pure form of PERFECTION the Deacon was created.

One theory i have is that after they had created the Perfect Organism they admired its DNA better than their own DNA, and they then Sacrificed the said Organism to produce the DNA within those Urns.

Are the Urns a Weapon... they could be, or they could be  a method to on mass upgrade a worlds DNA.

Was the Xeno a Weapon, again maybe it was or maybe it was something they was creating or something they was transporting to experiment upon.

The true connection is vague and unanswered and so has a number of possibilities.

As far as the Engineers and Earth, there had to be some purpose for our creation and it shows our creation took many thousands if not millions of years to achieve as a result of constant re-engineering what they first created.

They seemed to had held a high regard for us and taught us stuff, but then we must have upset them, and they saw us as a failed experiment and they then wanted to re-set our DNA with what ever they had in those Urns.

Did they find something that had DNA they favoured more and decided to replace us with this..

Was this a action planned by a rebel faction be that Good or Bad, that saw that we had to be destroyed or reset with this new DNA?

Or was the plan all along that at a certain point we would be ready to then be upgraded with the said DNA in the Urns.

Again this is something that we cant be 100% sure about.

Yes i think the biggst clue is the mural an the seemingly subsrvient ceature withe th engineer.

I am glad you brought this up, for me these creature is the ENIGMA or Missing Link.

But it could mean anything has it has a lot of symbolism...

Amoung the potential explanations for the Organism could be.

1) The Engineers First creation (on LV 426), as it has a God and Adam from Sistine Chapel look to it.  Maybe they then re-engineered this Organism.

2) Maybe it represents the Prometheus Punishment and by Prometheus it refers to the Engineers and not a single Engineer, and so this is a punishment sent to the Engineers for the creation of Mankind or by giving us Fire and Forbiden Engineer Knowledge.

3) Something that is birthed from the Engineers or Vice Versa.

It could be one of those or indeed some Organism they came across that all there Xeno DNA comes from.

What is interesting is this creature has Xeno Hands, and the other fresco shows maybe this creature holding a Xeno Egg

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I would assume the creature here is the same, and somehow it is related to the Xeno, this Organism also has like a beak and we see in Gigers Early Face Huger concept work on of its Face Hugers had a beak

A futher connection is Star Beast in the Mural the Sacrifical Animal seems to look like a Ant but then a Ants Jaws could look like Beak in a Primative drawing..

Then we have Dan O'Bannons sketch and design for the Star Beast, before Ridley decided he liked the look of Gigers Necromon Art Work

Finally we have the head at the top of the Mural Room Doors..

Here is concept of the Door Head.

So yes each of these images has something similar to it and prehaps what we see here is the Original Organism that spawned the Xeno and the countless other varients they was trying to create. 

Or maybe not but this creature has to have a connection it has to be a massive part of the Xeno Puzzle.

good good good!!!!! y'all are awesome! this is why im such a fan!

Actually, I just noticed that the drawing of the humanoid being face hugged looks to be an Engineer. Look at the bio suit markings on his shoulder.......