LV-426 Derelict Idea # 88

@ Cerulean, Great question imo.

I tend to have an unusual logic with some questions but here goes, but looking at what is the first sin. I think I might have something that ties in with the age of the derelict.

Throughout the entire Alien saga and Prometheus, there has always been a point about new life and creation on a planetary scale. In particular Alien, Aliens and Prometheus. I consider what comes after as side shows to s certain extent.

One of the highlights for me  has been the idea of terra-forming. Giving life to a species is one thing, but being able to to create a new canvass for life on a planetary scale is something else. I’ve explored lots of options about the nature of the derelict and what its purpose may have been, but looking at it from the perspective of original sin, or maybe the tree of knowledge does present some interesting theorising.

Prometheus is meant to be a prequel to everything, so I will take this as a starting point for now. Ancient societies have come and gone, and what remains is dust. Given the technology we have today if a catastrophy were to strike what would remain of the world as we know it now. All our lives and history our being downloaded into computer mainframes and memory systems which unfortunately do not stand the test of time. All out knowledge could quite simply disappear and what remains maybe buildings that might point to a more primitive way of life than the one we have. This raises the question of what came before us now in the present. In a couple of thousand years would any future archaeologist consider us capable of putting a man on the moon? Yet we judge our ancestors through possibly the same logic.

In Prometheus we have the introduction of an  alien outpost that has terra-forming technology. I believe for the purposes of this theory this is the original sin. The control of such knowledge is what Weyland/Yutani is about. It is all about creating better worlds. There are no other references in Prometheus to the acquisition of this knowledge. Maybe this is a good reason for Weyland Industries to send someone to investigate.

Going back to the derelict, is there the possibility that the cargo was not just eggs. Maybe the Xeno eggs were there to create a bio weapon equivalent of a mine field. So maybe the Xenos are not just a means of destroying, but also protecting property. On a planetary scale there would need to be lots of them. Applying the same logic, maybe that is what one of the purposes of the urns may be. To protect an installation that is used for terra forming. But then again accidents do happen and this is what happened with the installation in Prometheus.

Now here is the big what if. What if , in Earth history an installation was found for terra forming, but the Engineers had lost control of it. What would happen. What if an ancient Earth culture got hold of the knowledge behind it. Would that be the sin, a sin that would cost a culture its existence.

May be the derelict was carrying terra forming technology and was hijacked, leaving the eggs to protect nothing. Seeing as its cargo had been stolen. That said cargo may have been the origins for creating life and terraforming. But somewhere in that story mankind got involved and the technology and meaning got lost in history to become dust and leaves only questions..

Well Originally before Prometheus was being worked on, the idea behind the Derelict was that it was a Cargo ship that was carrying a Cargo of Bio Weapons, that had been compromised and well the Pilot was infected and he had to attempt to Quarantine his Cargo and Warn his fellow Space Jockeys that he said Cargo is compromised.

This is latter what Ridley confirmed after working on Prometheus as far as the Space Jockey and Derelict...

Both before Prometheus and after we was never informed exactly how the Space Jockey got that Cargo... was it something they had produced and was transporting, was it something they found and was transporting it for testing or other means. And was the Eggs the Cargo or something else that gave rise to the Eggs...

We was just never told...

But the general idea always seemed to be that they was a Bio Weapon and that indeed maybe this Race of Space Jockeys had been evolved in some kind of confrontation, which latter evolved to there was some reason they needed to create such Weapons for a Purpose.

PROMETHEUS... Evolved and gave us more of a back story to the Engineers, who we are led to be the Space Jockey and that these beings played a part in our creation and indeed the creation of many forms of life and worlds in the Galaxy.

The ideas lended to them being who Ancient Mankind interpreted as Ancient Gods.

Ridley even teased a few things to us, one being about the date of the outbreak and how it coincided with the period when Christ was walking the Earth, while his comment about how the Engineers sent down one last Emissary but we Crucified him, could lead to us assuming they meant Jesus, he latter highlighted that it was a matter of at that time Mankind was behaving in a way that was not acceptable to the Engineers.

For some purpose we was created, a experiment. For a time we appeased the Engineers but then there came a point that we offended them and we proved a failed experiment.

Ridley also throughout that Mankind may not have been the first civilisation on Earth, and hinted of Atlantis. This kind of hints to us that this was a culture before the time of modern mankind that had also not favoured to well with the Engineers and the planet has thus seen our Engineers create life, then destroy it for new life to start over and over.

The many connections with Ancient Myths and Religions and Cultures may or may not have been coincidence at all.. Even the Legend of Prometheus, may be connected to us or the Engineers somehow.

Would this mean that loosely other Myths and Legends could be connected? Including Pandora and the Box? And is that somehow connected to the Urns?   Who knows.

But we cant be sure or even look to go any of the above routes, as it seems the Engineers connections to Ancient Mankind, Gods etc is going to be completely redesigned, maybe this is why some Scenes had been removed.

Ridley simply wishes to not go the Gods route, as far as Ancient Mankind, and Engineer connections to Gods, be that Greek Gods, or those links to Bible etc...

But he could be going to something more simple and very sinister instead.

Where does this lead any connection to Sin and the Derelict and its purpose is unknown... it depends exactly how they now wish to show what connection the Engineers had with our creation and our connection and Engineers with whoever is the Hierarchy on Paradise.

@Batchpool...

Interesting ideas, and maybe you could have a point... Gigers drawings of the Face Hugers, showed them inside Eggs, but the Eggs was placed near, what look to a degree like the Urns..

What is the purpose of those things that the Alien C1 and D2 are on?

Perhaps this group of Engineers on Lv-223 have been here a long time. Let's say they are a wayward sect, having different beliefs than the original Engineers on Paradise. 

They could have spent years developing bio-weapons and crap on their little moon, only to one day launch an attack against Paradise. (Kill the father- seems to be quite a theme)

the ship intended for Paradise either malfunctioned, or , more likely was sabotaged before leaving by some loyalists... 

(I know it may not be canon, but deleted scenes do show CLOAKED engineers messing with the cry pods on LV-223) 

What Deleted Scene?

If you mean from these shots...

I think they are fake myself..   the 2nd one especially..one clue is the Cryo Pods are already Chest Busted and thus they also can not be Hollograms unless off course these still images are of a Hollogram Scene before CGI is used to make them Ghosts.

So the 2nd i think it is a fairy decent fake but i think a Fake all the same, the first one could be a actual shot of the Ghost Engineers Scene from where it began.

As the 2nd Engineer looks like John Lebar.

But i could be wrong if anyone has any futher information...

As far as the Sabotage Angle, yes the movie and deleted scenes did seem to point to that for me.

As far as the plot idea of the childen wanting to out do their parents i think this is where Davids comment does not everyone want their parents dead.

And i see a series of creation via creator creating something to serve them in their image a number of times...

We have this sequence..

Engineer ==> Mankind ==> Androids (David 8)

But i cant help but thinking that the Engineers are not the start of this chain, but what we have seen is (and Ridley had hinted at such off screen) that Mankind was in favour of the Engineers but we had became not as sub servent towards them, we became rebelious and we started to behave in ways that they did not intend us to do.

We see with David the Seeds of Rebelion against his creators Mankind, and so maybe the Engineers was created by some other Race or Being to do a certain bidding, and they also rebelled.

You see the problem with the Franchise when they went the route of these Engineers being behind our creation, and that they had visited mankind in the past and maybe taught us most of the stuff we learnt in the Ancient times... These Engineers being who many Ancient Man had worshiped and interpreted as Gods...

Forming the basis for many Myths and Religons...

They also call the movie Prometheus and link to the Titan Prometheus, who played a part in the creation of Man and also the teaching of many things to Mankind.

When you go that route, while each creation and Gods story and Myths have some connections they are different in many ways also, and its how to you fuse or which do you use the most to make the connection between US and THEM

There is a vast number of ways this can be done, but which one is right, which one fits with the clues they had given us so far...

For example, one could be like the Bible Acount and how the Engineers (Angels) was created by God (Gods) to watch over us, Mankind who was the Hierarchy favoured creations.

Maybe these Gods then went to punish the Engineers (Angels) with a Weapon, but this failed, so the Engineers (Angels) Re-engineered this weapon to use on their creators and then their creators creation thats us.

But this does not have to be the case, i could mention many scenerios that could equally do the job...

But thats the problem, so much scope and potential but how do you do it, which way do we do it while keeping with the whole Creation and also Mans worship of Gods.

Maybe the easy way is to back track and tone down the God element, and i think thats what we are getting and hense so many scenes was cut.

I will go back to address your Original post Cerlean Blue.

Indeed Ridley had said the Derelict had been there for many thousands of years, other comments regarding the Derelict that came from Ridley are as follows.

1) The Derelict had been on LV 426 within a few hundred years of the Outbreak on LV 223, by that its safe to assume he means the one that caused all those dead Engineer Bodies and the Ghost Engineers play back that David activated.

This puts down that the date for the Derelict being on LV 426 as some 1800-2200 years give or take from around our time now or the time in Prometheus 2094....

He does not say the exact, date but it could be within few hundred years either prior or after the event some 2000 years ago, had he been more clear that would have been a massive piece of the puzzle as we would know that the Eggs on the Derelict occurred after or prior to the outbreak.

2) Ridley had said that the Derelict was a Cargo Ship that was carrying a Deadly Cargo of Bio Weapons, and that the Ship had departed from its destination but did not get to far as the Pilot had became infected with the Cargo and he then set a course for the nearest Baron moon to Quarantine the Cargo. And set off a warning Beacon to the rest of his Race.

Regarding this he released further information, and that being that "the Ship did not Crash, but was landed". We can see that the ship did not land as far as a smooth landing and so this fact by Ridley shows that the Space Jockey knew that he was infected and he then set a path to the nearest baron place to in effect Quarantine the Cargo. This being LV 426 and it therefore shows us our Space Jockey must have been Chest Busted either after Landing or most likely during the Final Stages.

Ridleys comment regarding the ship did not crash in the normal sense suggests that LV 426 was the destination the Pilot was trying to land the ship.

The above comment by Ridley would also show us that

i) The Purpose of the ship was to carry Bio Weapons.

ii) The clues suggest now that it was most likely leaving LV 223, as opposed to on its way to LV 223.

iii) Ridley originally said the ship had Eggs but latter after Prometheus he suggested that something evolved on the ship, so it could be that it may not have had Eggs on board, but it would have had to have had Cargo as that was the ships nature, so that rules out something laying the Eggs there maybe. But Ridleys evolved comment is ambiguous and could be with regards to something that came from the Egg or other Cargo that Evolved.

3) Ridley said that the Derelict and Juggernaught and their pilots are related they are brothers, so they are some how connected. If not exactly the same ship, but at least similar kinds. And that both ships had the same purpose, which we now have to assume are to carry Bio Weapons to be used as either a Weapon of Destruction or for some purpose to create new life... this late statement would be more true if we had clarity that the Derelict set off with Eggs or if they occurred after it left LV 223 or where ever it came from.

4) Ridley said the Juggernaught on LV 223 was in brand new pristine condition and that the Derelict had started to decay and change due to being crashed on the surface of LV 426 for thousands of years.

This suggests the ships are Bio-Organic Tech that can decay in a way maybe like a Dead Tree or Cactus does.

As far as the Garden of Eden goes, first of all we cant be sure what direction they are now going as far as the Engineers and Human connection and what ever is on Paradise.

But Originally prior to the Editing of the movie, the idea would seem that while we can assume the Sacrificial Scene showed the creation of Life on Earth... and us.. it does not have to be.

It simply shows us how these Engineers Seed life on Worlds, also the scene does not seem to show us a fast paced way to Life on Earth i.e we can assume Mankind did not evolve shortly after the event unlike in Spaights draft....  This event showed either one of 3 things.

1) The Origin of Basic Life as a result of the Engineers DNA via the Sacrifice... (doubtful as the world had some kinds of plant life already).

2) The Catalyst that caused a mutation of Basic Life into more Complex Life (Most likely scenario)

3) That the world either had life, or life had been destroyed and the Seeding was to start again or that the seeding was to mutate what ever life was on the world.

In regards to 3) Ridley did suggest that Mankind does not have to be the first attempt of creation on Earth by the Engineers and many other experiments may had been attempted and then destroyed and he brings up Atlantis.

This could be a hint that the Engineers had before Mankind created other Intelligent life on Earth that it had then decided to eradicate.  Many Ancient Cultures and Religions tell of many strange Humanoid creatures that the Gods had destroyed, many also suggest that Life had been created and destroyed over a few or more periods.

Now the DERELICT and GARDEN OF EDEN connection, if you mean that the Derelict was to be Sin, and the Forbidden Fruit, i am not so sure.....

I dont really know how the Derelict would connect to the Garden of Eden and Sin...

But one thing is that we can not rule out that maybe LV 223 or 426 was once what we call the Garden of Eden, or some place else but Earth, and that Mankind after its first Sin was thrown out of Eden and down to Earth.

It could be that Earth was a Garden, and these Gardeners used LV 223 to nurture and test various kind of Life it was trying to create and then when they was happy with the results they then transport this life to Earth...

So maybe Adam was created on LV 223, a long long time before the place had became a Weapons Facility hell bent on creating something to destroy or replace us with....

Maybe the Star Maps was a invitation to come back to the Garden of Eden or what ever a Paradise LV 223 was, when we was ready.. but some event in the past may have changed the Engineers view of our species, maybe there was conflict between their kind and on Paradise.

And LV 223 was then used as something much more sinister?

But all these theories and there could be more, may have little relevance depending what route they are going as far as our ENGINEERS.. the connection to Worship by Ancient Mankind as Gods and Interaction and also what is on PARADISE and are the ENGINEERS the Original creators or something else.

And i think what ever route they was going when they started on and finished Prometheus could not be changed to a alternative that is more simple and would thus not be as difficult to cover... i.e Ridleys comments about no more Dragons and Gods...

@Batchpool, Big Dave & Fleshvessel:

Thanks for your compelling insights!

I love these dicussions & am looking forward to more....until we finally get a sequel!!!!

Cheers!