Let's Talk About Goo...

So I thought the FAQ page said to use bb code for image - what am I doing wrong? =(

And what's w/all the backslashes around the quotation marks? lol

Lets talk about Goo baby lets talk about you and me, lets talk about G.....Oh your talking about the Engineers weapon. :)

They aren't for dead people as in Exibit A or B its that its really a weapon for real and its not for seeding life, at least not this substance since it mutates or kills whatever living thing it comes into contact with. It's for destruction not creation because they don't retrieve the DNA from the water and then put it inside an urn. Also, I like your idea and comparison with the four canopic jar theory from ancient Egyptian burial practices. The black goo is very much organic and a mutagen in my opinion.

LOL Thanks, A-50 :)

eta: I was thinking more that they captured the mutagen from the body as it was breaking down. So it doesn't come from that particular individual at the beginning, but from other engineers who sacrificed themselves long after that. The 'weaponization' comes from the fact that it was captured and stockpiled - when the goo dissolves in a large body of water, it's like adding minerals to water - it makes the water healthy to drink. But if you were to concentrate the minerals into tablets (say it's iron), and consumed a bunch of them with only a small glass of water, then you could get sick = "The dose makes the poison" (ie, it's how they're using it that makes it a weapon).

Ridley is very visual, and I think this idea really relies on the visuals to speak for itself, so I'm gonna see if I can get this fixed (god, those backslashes lol).

@Electric Ave, BB Code is no longer used with our new editing system. It is now much easier to use. 'What You See Is What You Get' like you'd have with any word processor.

Ooooh! Okay :) Thank you so much for fixing it <3

Its a good assertion and assessment but Holloway was only given a pin-head amount. It could have been highly concentrated or no matter how much you use because of what it does maybe like poison dart-frog poison. I believe its got to be more of a living thing but only broken down manipulated DNA so that when it attacks your body it turns you into dangerous parasitic things/zombie-like and thats the weapon part imo.

some nice work there interesting....

I Guess we can never be sure whats going on, especially with all the changes to the concept of the Goo as the movie progressed, The Weyland File that was meant to tidy up and try to explain what was going on, basically contradicts what we see.

The simple answer could be going back to where the IDEA of the Goo came from.... SPAIGHTS NANO SCARABS!

The Goo was just a way to replace the Bugs with a Mutagen, and if we accept this and then look at Spaights Concept and Idea for the Scarabs it makes sense.

In Spaights draft the Sacrificial Engineer opens the Sacrificial Cup and tiny nano scarabs come out of it and they consume his entire body, molecule by molecule....  In Lindeloff's The Goo consumed breaks down the Engineer molecule by molecule.

In Spaights draft a primitive primate, gets bitten by one of these Scarabs and this Scarab injects its cargo of Engineer DNA it consumed via Sacrificial Scene, into this primate. This primate then starts to mutate and its hinted this is what lead to Evolution of Mankind from Primate via the Injection of Engineer DNA.

Lindeloff's we see the Engineers broken down genetic material forms into a black liquid this then goes into the Water, and fuses with basic lifeforms and starts to Evolve and Mutate them, which is to show the kick start of Evolution on Earth from simple bacteria to complex life.  All possible because of the Engineers Seeded DNA via the Goo.

Spaihts draft we see Fifield is bitten by a Scarab, he then becomes a mutant and mutates into something that has Xeno DNA..  If we look at the Sacrificial Scene in Spaights draft then these Scarabs either a) consume a host molecule by molecule that then stores their DNA to be passed onto next victim.  b) we see these Scarabs bite and inject DNA consumed from a Organism that at some point these Scarabs had broken down.  Thus all signs are that the Scarab that bitten Fifield had injected a cargo of DNA that gave him Xeno Traits and DNA, just as the Primate that evolved to Mankind was bitten and injected with Engineer DNA.  Thus the Urn that contained the Scarabs that attacked Fifield must have consumed and broken down Xeno DNA.

Lindeloffs we see that the Goo in the Urns seems to pass on DNA Traits to what ever Organism it comes into contact with, this was more evident by the other unused Fifield Concepts inc the Animatronic Fifield which was the original idea at the time of shooting.

We see the Worms get infected with the Goo and take on Xeno Traits, and indeed if we look at the most Xeno DNA in the movie... that is the Deacon that came from Shaws Baby which essentially performed the task of  Face Huger and was a Hybrid Human/Xeno Face Huger.   This again shows via Holloways infection with the Goo leads to the most Xeno DNA Organism in this movie.

If we take this simple look and connection with Scarabs vs Goo, we see they both in the Sacrificial Bowl break down the consumer and allows this broken down Organisms DNA to then become something new that can pass on its traits to what ever Organism it encounters.

MURAL

If we now look at the Mural and Altar, we see the Deacon in that Mural is in some sort of Sacrificial Cruciform Pose, now if we go to Spaights Draft the Engineer took the same Cruciform Pose right before he was broken down by the Scarabs,  this pose was to show it was his Sacrifice.  If we look at Christ on the Cross this image is not to show us Jesus, it is to remind us exactly of his Sacrifice on the Cross to Save mankind of its Sin.

Thus Cruciform  = Sacrificial Pose....

The Deacon in the Mural takes this pose, so this does not mean its God, but that it is to show that this Organism was Sacrificed for some purpose.. if we connect that with Spaights Cruciform Sacrificial Engineer, then we also look at the Altar and see the Sacrificial Bowl in the Original Shoot.

It all makes sense....

Some Xeno related Organism is Sacrificed via same method as Sacrificial Engineer to produce the substance in the Urns.

Think of it like this...

If the Sacrificial Engineer Sacrificed himself while he was in a large bath or VAT with a pipe that would collected the broken down Engineers material (Black Goo) then this is collected into a Jar.  If this Jar as then poured into the Water Fall would the result not been the same?

My theory suggesting if a Xeno had consumed the Sacrificial Bowl at the Start of the movie then its DNA would been seeded and that all life on Earth would carry Xeno traits and not Engineers.

This is the simplest way of looking at the Goo and Mural....

Why the exploding Engineers?

Lets assume that some variant of the Goo (Sacrificial Bowl) or even the Black Stuff breaks down then reforms DNA, what we have if you look at the Sacrificial Scene is a Volatile Chemical Process, now if we take some Coke and Add a Mint we can see it causes a Violent reaction to the Coke in the Bottle, and as the bottle is closed the Gas will try to escape out of the quickest and weakest route.  If you do this to a bottle of Coke, then shoot at it the Bottle will Explode... If you make a hole before putting a Mint in and then you tape up that hole, once the reaction starts eventually the Gas/Coke will explode from that hole.

Why the Mural, What connection?

This is one area we just cant be sure, but i would assume that these Engineers had lost the ability to procreate and bare offspring.  I think at some point these Engineers had came across a Organism by accident (as in Star Beast) and one of them got Face Hugged and produced the Deacon in the Mural (Shaws Deacon is different its part Human).

These Engineers then went on to worship this Organisms life cycle, it ability to allow them to bare a Child (Xeno Embryo) while this is not traditional birth it was to these Engineers something that mimicked something they could no longer do.

I would go as far as to say these Engineers then Engineered from the Xeno, all sorts of Bio-Tech and then also decided to use the Organism as a Weapon and other experiments to try and advanced their Genetics by incorporating Xeno DNA as they considered it to be a Perfect Lifeform.

I think Earth was target to try this new Evolutionary step on Mankind first.

Very interesting post on the most perplexing issue with Prometheus - "what is the goo, and where does it come from?" The film offers lots of clues, but I wouldn't want to step out on a limb and say that there is a clear cut answer to that particular question from what we were shown so far.

ElecricAve made an insteresting point about the similarities between the urns and Egyptian canopic jars. While I don't believe that the urns are necessarily the remains of Engineers, the presence of the urns was enough to lead Holloway to assume that they were as part of the basis for his "just another tomb" comment. On the other hand, essence of Engineer is just as good an explanation for whats in those urns as any of the countess explanations that I've seen. Logically speaking though, the urns cannot be just Engineer DNA, assuming that their DNA and ours is really the same, because our DNA does not trigger xeno type mutations. However, my personal view is that the urns must contain a mutagenic compound that is perhaps combined with DNA of some species. It seems to me that this compound simultaneously destroys existing life and recreates life in another form. This thought ties in with David's observation that "to create you first have to destroy."

I'm still not totally convinced that the goo at the beginning of the movie has exactly the same purpose as the stuff that's in the urns. We assume that the Sacrificial Engineer is creating humanoid lifeforms on the planet he's seeding. That would be correct if the goo has the ability to set the forces of evolution in motion in a controlled fashion with the end result of creating humans. However, we don't know that for a fact that it always works that way. What if some times the Engineers seeding went awry and resulted in the poisoning of a pristine world with the result that it is now filled with monstrous mutations? What if the goo is similar to the genesis torpedo in Star Trek II, in that it can create life on a barren planet, but could be a weapon of mass destruction when introduced to a planet with existing life? Again, no clear cut answers to this one either. And what is the tie in with our old friend the xeno? Does the goo create the xeno or does the xeno create the goo? Again, the goo at the beginning could be the mutagen plus Engineer DNA and the goo on LV223 could be the mutagen plus xeno DNA which would be a weapon indeed.

@malex234

I can answer some of those in my post above...

In nutshell i think that these Engineers Sacreficed Xenos or related Organisms to create what was inside those Urns, using the same method that they used on the Sacreficial Engineer.

@BigDave & Malex - I see what you mean that the black goo may not come from the Engineers because the organisms that sprout from it are decidedly xenomorphic. My feeling is that the gold substance is either based on, or derived from the xenomorph's acid blood (it breaks down everything it touches, similar to the effect the gold substance has on the Engineer's body). DNA resides in the nucleus of a cell, so in order for the Engineer's DNA to blend with it, it would have to penetrate the cell wall (that's what the acidic gold stuff does - that's why they made a point to show the gold flecks on the closeup of the droplet). The reason only normal life springs from the Engineer at the beginning is that the black goo is diluted, and the more exposed an organism is to the black/gold goo, the more acidic/xeno-like it becomes:

Waterfall goo = one part per millions and millions of gallons = maybe earthworms grow legs

Drop of goo in one cup of water = one part per 1/16th of a gallon (literally MILLIONS of times more concentrated than waterfall goo) = may turn human into an Engineer (Holloway?)

Swimming around in black goo = BILLIONS of times more concentrated = turns earthworms into hammerpedes.

And the deacon mural may actually represent something like DaVinci's "Vitruvian Man"

Remember in Alien, Ash describes the xeno as a "Perfect Organism" - that's very similar to the Vitruvian man illustrating the perfection of the human form. Davinci "believed the workings of the human body to be an analogy for the workings of the universe" - so it also works in a religious context (maybe the xenos are the basis of their religion, and they aspired to "perfect" the human species by evolving into that form?) 

ps - thanks everyone for your feedback :)

@BigDave & Malex - I was thinking if the gold substance is just nanotech, and the black goo does come from some type of xeno organism, it might be from an egg - since it's right there on the ceiling mural (possibly collected by the crouching, bird-like creature?)

Maybe they harvest an egg that is already open, and pour the gold substance into it (that might explain the alternate shot of the sacrificial bowl). The egg decays, they capture the goo in the ampules, and that's why the creatures that come from it are xenomorphic.

@ElectricAve

Some interesting points and this is the thing with the Ambiguity of the movie, as we can have any number of explanations, your Vitruvian Man reference could also be valid, as it is to represent ideal human proportions and physic thus perfection.

My interpretation is mainly fitting with what Spaights draft was trying to show us with connection to how the Sacrificial Bowl the Engineer Sacrifice Scene worked and how it was intended to lead to Mankind and then taking how Spaights draft showed us how that process was, to then  what Fifield had encountered when he knocked over a Urn.

I think the Urn the Goo etc was based of this concept, only evolved more by Lindeloff, so basically thats why my theory well interpretation of the Goo was.  Also how the Mural Deacon was in a Cruciform pose like how the Engineer in Spaights draft was.

Thus the Sacrificial Substance breaks down a organisms DNA and causes it to become a Black Liquid (Contained in Urns, and also dissolved into the Water.. only from different Sacrificial Victims) that then has the ability to break down the DNA and Mutate the DNA of which ever Organism this Black Substance then comes into contact with and the Substance passes on Traits and DNA it acquired from the Sacrificial Being.

Now where and when the Sacrificial Substance came to be is a mystery, it could be the blood of some kind of Organism, or it could be as you said have different effects depending on how much is consumed, this is what the Weyland File is trying to suggest.

However we have to ask how come Holloway via Shaw produced the most Xeno DNA end product as opposed to how limited Fifields was yet he was exposed to more substance?

I guess we can only wait for the answer, but i would still suggest that the Sacrificial Substance purpose is same as Spaights Nano Scarabs and that is to break down Genetic Material of the Sacrificial Organism into a new chemical that can pass on the Sacrifices Genetic Material onto a life from it comes into contact with thus creating a Hybrid/Evolution.

But as for where the Goo in the Sacrificial Bowl which was more of a thicker material that did react and appear to dissolve when it reacted with the air, where did this substance come from well who knows.

One theory i have as to the Xeno was that they re-engineered and borrowed their Tech from them as the Engineers at the start seemed to lack the Bio Tech Look, and their Ship was not as Giger as the Derelict etc. This scene was set what many Millions if not over a Billion Years ago and hints at Start of Evolution on a Planet via interference via Engineers Sacrifice to cause basic bacteria and life to Evolve into complex life...

And Ridley said maybe the Engineers Tech as far as Derelict is Millions of years old, this led some to think the Derelict was over Million years old, but Ridley said later the Derelict crash landed on LV 426 within few hundred years of the outbreak on LV 223.

So he means they had that Bio Tech for Millions of Years, but the Engineers at the Start seemed to maybe not, and it would be ok to assume that scene was set much more than few Million Years ago.

Thus at some point maybe they came across some lifeform that they decided to re-engineer, to experiment and also borrow tech from. Just as mankind is now using Stem Cell and Genetic Engineering to Harvest Spider Silk from Cows Milk.

Who knows, hopefully we will find out where the Sacreficial Substance came from.

 But as far as the connection between that Goo, the Engineer and Goo in Urns, well my interpretation is what Spaights draft seemed to try show us, and is simplest way to look at it.... that does not mean its the ANSWER... may be closer to Spaights idea and answer but as to what Fox wants and where they wish to show us, who knows.

@ElectricAve

Your 2nd post is something i was going to make a thread about, i call this the ENIGMA or the missing Link.

Yes that Xeno Hand with the Egg, does look like this creatures Hands but also the Xeno has the same hands, exactly the same.  This Bird Like Creature is thus some connection to the Xeno.

Could it be ultimately what the aim of the experiments was? Or was that the Deacon in Mural, could it be this creature is ultimately where the Xeno DNA comes from?

I would not want to explore the Xeno much or the Deacon, but this creature and the connection yes, because we have little or no information but if indeed the hands holding the Egg are that creatures then this organism is of just as much importance as the Mural in the Temple Complex.

Its also not the first time we have seen it.....

You see above concept from Star Beast of which Alien was based off?

On the wall you see a Chest Buster event, one which seems to show a Oranism not to dissimilar to Shaws Baby Trillobite as it was grown, i.e the one that attacked the Engineer. But the Organism  this Octopoid is comming from looks a lot like that Bird Xeno Creature in the Fresco.

Here is Dan O'Bannons sketch of what he intended the Alien to look like.

This has a resemblence to the creature being Sacreficed on altar in Star Beast Temple and also the Creature in the Fresco in Prometheus.  Are these 3 images connected?

Could this creature be the missing link?

Should we find out what this creature is and its connection?

I hope so....

Yes I'm familiar w/the Spaihts' script :) You make some good points about Cuddles vs. Fifield, but considering that Fifield was infected by inhalation, I still think the concentration is far less than what Holloway experienced, and far more than the waterfall concentration.

As far as the squid baby - I agree that a mutated sperm fertilizing a human egg should have resulted in some kind of hybrid human vs. a tentacled parasite, but the worm growing out of Holloway's eye might be a clue. All human bodies host microscopic parasites, and interestingly, alcohol inhibits their growth - so I wonder if Cuddles was not actually a parasitic worm that found its way out of Holloway's body during intercourse (much like the one in his eye was trying to make its way out) and tricked Shaw's reproductive system into providing nourishment for its continued mutation (the umbilical cord).

The Starbeast mural pic is awesome :) To me, the creature looks more like a bug than the one in the Engineer's mural (the beak was pretty distinctive - it actually reminds me of a plague mask - could be a visual clue about their purpose = handling biohazardous materials).

Which brings me to the xeno hands, which you say are exactly the same as the ones shown on the egg - I have to disagree completely about that. I found a couple of shots from Alien, and you can see it has 6 fingers instead of four, they're not nearly as long and spindly as the bird-creature's, and it the fingers naturally part in the center of the hand (which also looks different from the hands holding the egg).

Really good points Big Dave and Electric Avenue.  After reading your last post I'm convinced that the bird-like creature is indeed holding the egg in mural rather than a traditional xeno.   Going back to the Star Beast concept, if you will recall there was another stage of development in the alien life cycle which we have not seen as yet - the adult.  Our old friend the xeno is supposedly just a juvenile and is very agressive until grown.  In the drafts, supposedly the adults were civilized and intelligent beings but had all died out as of the time of the landing on LV426.  Is it possible that the bird-like creature is the adult form of the xeno?   Or is the bird-like creature  merely the host for the xeno embryos?  I can't say for sure, but these are at least possibilties to explain all the strange murals.   

@Malex - It's funny b/c the bird & egg similarity is something I noticed after someone posed the question of how the 426 Engineer could have gotten all of those eggs onto the Jug without getting facehugged? That's when I remembered the open egg from the mural that showed some hands carrying it, but didn't show the rest of the creature. Since the only other ceiling mural we get to see is the bird one, I compared it, and lo & behold, they have the same hands.

Another good support for this idea is the fact that the facehuggers are perfectly adapted to the human head - whereas the birdlike creature has a more elongated head, and of course, the beak - which might make it impossible for the facehugger to impregnate it.

Another thing that struck me about that mural is how the Engineer seems to be petting the bird-like creature the way a human would pet a dog. The symbiotic relationship between humans and dogs goes back thousands of years - they helped us track down prey, and then we rewarded them with a share of the food. Maybe those bird creatures naturally preyed on the xenomorph eggs (springing them like a trap, to get the facehugger out so they could eat the egg), and the Engineers found a way to tame and train them to retrieve the eggs, so the creature could eat, and they could take samples of stem cell material to eventually create the goo in the ampules?

On the other hand, the scene with the Last Engineer caressing David's head is reminiscent of the scene in the mural, and might be a visual clue about the bird-like creature (it was engineered to help them retrieve eggs - much like Weyland created David to help him retrieve the urn from the domes - it might not even be organic, or totally organic - maybe some type of biomechanical golem/robot to parallel David's artificiality?) 

Indeed hands do look same as bird creature of what ever it is, and i said that they do and that also those hands looked like the Xenos too and thus there must be a connection, as we cant see the face we cant say if its for sure a Xeno or the other creature as there is no face and thus its ambigious like everything else..

By Xeno i meant how they seem to look after Alien, we have to remember from after Alien the design changed a little, better visual effects they can do more detail than the rubber man hands of Alien.

If we look at the Aliens and onwards Xeno hands we have 4 sets of fingers, only the centre 2 sets are actually like 2 fingers joined so we get a 1+2+2+1 for 6 fingers.  Which is what the creature holding the Egg and Fresco both have.  But i would sugest it is most likely this is the same creature as the Fresco and some how it is maybe the predessor to all things Xeno?

As far as Fifield, well again the Spaights draft shows us differently, the toned down and alternative Fifield that was used in the movie AKA Toxic Avenger Fifield had lesser Xeno DNA.

Weyland released that file to clear up and point to same points you make...however...

If its inhaled then that means its airborne..... why was no one else infected?

If consumed then why does the Sacreficial Engineer and Holloway lead to a none Xeno based event and a Xeno DNA one? Again maybe as you and the Weyland file point out, it depends on the amount of Goo consumed...

But then how come Fifield who got a small face of Goo when he fell face first into the stuff, ended up effected with less Xeno DNA but the Worms who was swimming in litres of the stuff ended up with more Xeno DNA,  if the larger the dose the less Xeno i,e Engineer vs Holloway.

Totally dont make sense well it kinda does just not as simple as Spaights, and thats the problem i think thats why many casual Alien fans or just casual Sci Fi fans never mind those who are not, could not grasp or understand what the hell was going on in this movie.

Spaights draft was more thought out and coherent... While Lindeloffs well on paper yes better ideas, just not executed well and have holes and contradictions that Lindeloff puts down to ambiguity but really its just his style and just like Loss, lots of cool ideas just thrown together with no thought on how they link together.

Im not saying i am right, nope my view is just from what i made of the movie clues and also looking at links at root level to Spaights draft of which the Prometheus movie was Evolved from.

But they seem to be going with Lindeloffs as Cannon and even made the Weyland file to try and explain and make it simple which all it did was conflict things worse.

Hopefully we would get more answers so we can find out how they want to go with the Goo and connection, and we would have to accept which ever explanation they give in future movies as the TRUTH, just how i guess we have to accept the Space Jockey was a Space Suit which some dont agree with.

Oh another point is the Eye Worm, i was going to bring that up the other day..

Again another clue that is left to either Ambiguity or another not really well thought out peice of work by Fox/Lindeloff.

But i had similar alternative idea that you share, it could be that this Eye Worm is same thing that ended up in Shaws Womb, is it a Sperm that has become mutated to become a Parasite and one made its way to his Eye?

Could it be the Goo contains micro nana parasites that are so tiny like Sperm, that the eye cant see and these then infect and change the DNA of organisms they contact?

Could it be that its some other cells of Holloway that are infected and become these wormy things?

Could it be that the top half of the Ampules contain a substance that contains these tiny parasites that are related to the Xeno, and the other part contains a substance like the Sacreficial Substance and thus when the two combine the Parasites DNA is broken down and forms into the Black Substance that then infects the Worms and Fifield?

Thats the one thing thats come good from the Ambiguity is that well anyting can go to be honest, no ones 100% right and no ones 100% wrong. Its what fuels the debates what keeps this site and others going,  where two seperate people who have different views of the clues can debate in a respectful manner (most of the time).

Electric Avenue its a pleasure to debate with you and your ideas are well founded and sound, and look forwards to more.

Oh to add, looking at it from a non Alien fan i spoke to a few about the movie, one Alien FAN, more Aliens the other casual Sci Fi Nerd and another well just casual viewer.

And its interesting to see their views on the movie, only the Alien fan had some idea of what the movie was about as far as conections, this person was very disapointed though as the movie failed to answer and connect in a way they expected.

The Casual Sci Fi fan thought was a bit of a hit and miss movie and said missed chance to link to Alien as it never really and thinks its just a reboot.

The Casual Viewer well they never had a clue what the movie was at all.

You see the more Avid Fan would watch Prometheus over and over and disect it, they would read the drafts they would also see the many concept works and artwork and actually seen more detailed Mural and Frescos, as to be frank on screen we never got to see the Mural fully not in a way we can make out the Face Hugger type creatures and Bald Victims and the Fresco was not as clear as the images posted on here and only lasted for few seconds and the Egg one was well mostly broken down by the time it was shown on screen for a split second so most viewers would not have noticed.

Also i think the lack of Xeno DNA in Fifield mutation compared to Spaights and Concept and the alternative work done for Prometheus especially the unused puppetry. 

Had Fifield looked more like that, and had the Mural been shown more clear and frescos more clear and longer, and had the Engineer actually appeared as 10ft+ then yes i think more Alien fans and Casual Sci Fi buffs would have seen more of a connection.

Anyway about the Eye Worm the Casual Sci Fi fan made this observation.

He missed the little split second things like Egg Holding, and the Worms under the boot of crew member.

What he made out is interesting and not bad idea, just wrong idea.

What he saw was that these Urns contain a tiny tiny wormy things like Holloways Eye Worm.

He saw that some how the Urns when leaked they leaked these Worms that grew and mutated because of the black stuff, basically the Hamerpedes was just grown up Holloway Eye Worms. That grew fast because of the stuff in Urns.

He saw that the Holloway Eye thing grew slower because it did not come into contact with what ever was in the other part of the ampule, a accelerant.

He thought that one of these worms passed on to Shaws Womb and either combined with her Egg or it some how managed to Evolve in her Womb to become the Squid Baby of Shaw.

He speculated that the Hammerpedes would evolve into the Face Hugers from Alien.

And Fifield mutated because he just got the accelerant black stuff that made him mutate and grow out of his suit.

You have to say its a valid observation, but one that does not look at other things that someone who has followed the movie and franchise would pick up, and also not really the Sacrificial scene.

When i brought that up, he said ah... well that stuff must be the stuff thats in bottom half of the ampule, and it must be something that breaks down a lifeform and then remakes them but slightly mutated... hense we slightly different to Engineers but similar and thus Hamerpedes to Holloways Eye Worm.

And you see if the shot of the Holloways Eye Worm was not part of the movie, and we had a more clear shot of the Worms under the Crew Members Boot or even the "our first Alien Scene was in the movie) then i am sure this casual Sci Fi fan would not have made the same conclusions.