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MemberNeomorphNovember 17, 2013Why did the engineers on LV 223 explode?
In the hologram scene we see the engineers appearing to run away from something. It turns out that they have been infected, we learn this from the examination of the decapitated engineer.
But why did his head explode? and why did the pile of dead engineers appear to have exploded also?
The sacrificial engineer in the opening scene didn't explode, he desintergrated. Holloway didn't explode. Fifield didn't explode. The hammerpedes didn't explode.
So why did the engineers explode? Did they get infected by something other than the black stuff, or perhaps some different strain?
The poster was good though!
November 17, 2013
Necronom4
My theory is that they had sperm growing inside them becoming octopoid facehuggers that inherited memories from them setting of for juggs facehugging the engineers except bob because he was on a different hive mind matrix frequency since he was from a different faction.
November 17, 2013
Necronom4
I have racked my brains on that one !!! How do we solve this ?? Because yes they exploded - or something exploded out them . Where do we start ?
Ot must at least the size of a chestburtser or would those holes be the size of an ultramorph's movable jaw ? Does the holes run straighr through ? Can you see from one side to the other ???
November 17, 2013
Perhaps direct contact with the goo un dilated - perhaps a goo spitting ultra morph or one who had a scorpion like stinger that directly inserts the goo into your system reacting so quickly as was the case with the case with the severed head.
Dunno ....
November 17, 2013
ITs all a confusion, because:
1) Engineers are running from something, even you can hear a roar.
2) The pile, evidence to suggest that they exploited.
3) The sacrificial engineer and Holloway through a similar process.
4) In Furious of Gods, one of the designers said Fifield head was about to explode, as the head on the scanning table.
5) The Engineers know about the existence of the Deacon (by the mural), and we know how is the process to create one of these monsters, long and complicated cycle that includes sex.
So...Engineers were escaping from a deacon / ultramorph? or from a infected Engineer? (Fifield Style)
And if the deacon/ ultramorph is the answer...How this creature was born?..There are Engineer womens? :p or it was just something like in Jurassic Park...Life finds a Way....
November 17, 2013
But one thing is certain; most of the people who work in this film has no idea how to create a coherent concept, they just wanted to do cool things for the big screen. Ambiguity can be a very useful tool, but I think it went out of control.
In fact Prometheus is almost like a Role-playing game...with lots of possibilities and possible stories, and maybe we need some of these in the future :p
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The screenplay by Jon Spaihts was more consistent over the Black Goo (aka scarabs), and I think they should keep a little of that, not with the Scarabs, but with the idea and operation of the goo.
November 17, 2013
The engineers exploded because the goo can't make them go a step further in the evolution process. They are already on the end of their evolution process... So instead of going trough mutations, the goo can only kill them.
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November 17, 2013
I sense your frustration - I know what you what you want to say and has said - I love it too and they messed it up and unchangeably altered that image you had in your head - and now you are stuck with it. We have no concept of what we are dealing with its the perfect money making system - perfectly structured in its money making systems - we have no chance against them unless we get ridleys head reattached - I am not conning you - I feel the same way .....
November 17, 2013
@shambs
Spot one 100% this is common thing with Lindeloffs writing its not so much ambiguity.... but contradicting... Then so was Lost!
As with most of my interpretations i will ignore what is set off screen but take into account it but basically go by more what we see on screen...
We did not see Holloway break down but he may have started to, he did drink a diluted amount of the Goo, as far as Fifield, well again they said off screen stuff to basically make sense of what the theatrical release showed us, same as the Weyland File on the Goo... Basically added stuff latter to make sense of what we saw...
When in reality from the drafts and concept and even some shots that was shot and last minute scrapped alternatives..... Fifield was being mutated as per Hammerpedes.
Now onto the WHY DID THEY EXPLODE debate..
1) The Engineer Head.... this head could have exploded because of tow reasons in my opinion..
a) The Engineer was going through some kind of accelerated transformation and his genes was being changed and cells, and the combination of him losing his head and then the sterile environment in the Ampule room, preserved the head and prevented the mutation of cells from occurring.
Once they tricked the heads cells to thinking the head was alive again, we saw the mutation start to take effect but due to the accelerated process caused via the manipulation of the Head via the Tool Shaw and Ford used the process happened so fast and also as the cells had been in state of stasis for so long it caused a reaction and the head exploded..
My theory being had they not upped the voltage or what ever with that tool we would have seen the head mutate or break down at a slower rate and not explode...
b) The Engineer was in the process of his cells being changed and broken down like the Sacrificial Engineer and the fact the head had been decapitated and was left in the sterile Ampule room had put a stop to this process....
When they awoke the head with the tool they used they had accelerated the process too fast and the Engineers head exploded.
Both theories i think show that somehow the Ampule room is able to preserve and but organic matter in a state of stasis.
And that maybe the Goo does not effect dead material so much, i.e why Milburns body never mutated or got effected by the Goo, Fifield did as he did not die, he just had bad acid burn on his face.
Before some claims the Goo reactivated Shaws Dead Womb, well her womb would not had been dead, but some other genetic defect would have prevented her from having kids, its not a case of she produces dead eggs..
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November 17, 2013
Especially since you are an artist a very good one at that - my 2nd oldest sister is also very artistic - I am not - and she gets very upset when they mess with what is close to her especially visual stuff.
November 17, 2013
Onto the Dead Engineers...
Now if we consider they exploded like the Head and we consider the Sacrificial Engineer Scene...
We see the Sacrificial Engineer take a substance that reacts with his cells, it causes a violent reaction that breaks down his cells to form a black liquid and this liquid then goes into the water and either reforms to make new DNA and Cells or its bonds with basic life and mutates its cells.
But the basic thing we see is a rapid chemical reaction, where the Engineers genetic material breaks apart and rushes off down the stream and into the winds fast...
The Engineers Space Jockey suits are a pressured environment, and when such a reaction occurs it has no where to escape so the reaction intensifies until it finds the weakest point to escape and explode from.
My point being take some Coke and put either a Mentos or Bicarbonate Soda into it....
Stick the Mint etc into the bottle close lid and a reaction occurs this is more intense if the coke is shook up.... now if you do this to a coke bottle and the lid is not on tight the lid will fly off and coke spray out...
If you secure the lead down with lots tape etc then as the reaction occurs you shoot the bottle with a projectile be that a Air Riffle or Dart and you will see the Coke will escape violently from the resulting Hole.
The reaction in the bottle is just looking for the weakest and quickest point of escape.... if you melt the plastic a bit but not enough to melt a hole and you secure the lid tight, then chances are the coke will break through the weakened plastic where it was melted...
Now go and get another cola and poor it into a bowl, apply the mint and stir and you will see a reaction but it is no where near as violent as inside the pressured environment of the Bottle.
This is my only logical explanation to how those holes had occurred in the Engineers, unless they was caused by some other Engineer/Organism that had attacked them.
I can not account for how come the bodies was all piled up and not scattered about, unless logically they was later moved to that point and piled up on one another.
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November 17, 2013
I could tell you that the idea for the engineers head exploding came from spaihts draft where the engineers head starting decomposing and they tried to get in a tankk where it coild be preserved and spaihts got that idea(I think) from an unused idea from one of the alien scripts where the facehugger was beginning to break up and he wanted to get into an stasis pod and liquid for preservation before it completely disintegrated - I think it was in one of xeno alpha 07 's blogs. Not sure. Sorry of topic and I think everyone is now tired of my "script" revelations. At least know that are up against it - that system I talked about !!!!
November 17, 2013
Maybe likewise thats where they could have got the idea of the Engineer disintegrating into a liquid...
Which is what we see after he takes the more butter consistency metallic substance from the Sacrificial Bowl, that broke him down into a Black Substance Liquid...
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November 17, 2013
@oduodu, yes, I also feel that way, great to see that I am not the only, and the analysis of the scripts is very helpful.
BigDave, nice theory, it's probalbe that Black Goo can only act on living matter as you said, and so the head collapse.
November 17, 2013
@BigDave; quote "The Engineers Space Jockey suits are a pressured environment, and when such a reaction occurs it has no where to escape so the reaction intensifies until it finds the weakest point to escape and explode from."
Yes, I too thought that might be a good explination. Then I dismissed it for some reason. My brains not working properly today.
@Oduodu; thanx for the compliment bud!
Anyway, when the engineer in the hologram looks back, is he looking to see what's chasing them, or is he looking to see if Bob's behind him? He must have wondered where Bob was?
The poster was good though!
November 17, 2013
Necronom4
I guess a deacon type creature as the screech in the recording sounded a lot like the deacon at the end - I guess.
November 17, 2013
Well the screech could just be the sound of the Hologram being activated..
Again we have more Lindeloff Ambiguity that does not add up to what they say is going on.....
Because the Engineers do look behind them and they are looking like they are running from someone, be that a infected Engineer or something else.
If all those Engineers knew they was infected, while they may run to the ampule room i doubt they would care whats behind them unless it was a mutated Engineer (like Fifield) or something else i.e Deacon or Xeno type Organism.
if they was not infected or did not know for sure if they was, then i guess they would run and look over shoulder if they was trying to get away from a infected Engineer in case of getting infected themselves.
The only other explanation would be they was infected and tried to get to the ampule room or maybe that room was the only way to access the Cryo Pods to stop or hold up any infection, while chasing them was unaffected Engineers who wanted to kill them to prevent the outbreak.
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November 17, 2013
@BigDave; yes, I originally thought that the shreek was the sound of a deacon (it does sound like a deacon) but then again, it wouldn't be the first time we have mistook a sound. It could indeed be the sound of the hologram activating, that was my thought exactly in my last post.
The poster was good though!
November 17, 2013
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Pretty sure the real reason why is because this just looked cool... I doubt they thought that far ahead.
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November 17, 2013
There are other toxic substances than the black goo, which itself was different as it leaked out of the vials in the pyramid than the stuff that the engineer imbided in the beginning.
The movie raises more questions than it answers, and not always in a good way. It is interesting, though, more than enough to anxiously await the sequel(s).