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MemberOvomorphNovember 12, 2013I watched Prometheus again since I had nothing better to do and wrote some things down. First have a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambiguity
Now, from what I can make of this, ambiguity means that a concept/statement/ object…that is ambiguous, can be interpreted in TWO different ways. Not 3 or 15. Then it becomes vague.
The eggs in ALIEN are a perfect example of ambiguity: are they a bio-weapon or not? Simple as that. It’s one or the other. We don’t get an answer to this question in the entire Quadrilogy. And remember that the Queen also came from an egg and that Hudson’s statement: ‘How can they cut the power, they’re animals, man’ doesn’t count either because he’s just a ‘grunt’. No offense Hudson.
The only thing that comes to mind that’s ambiguous is the freaking cover: Is the head a representation of the engineers’ power or ours? Here are some things in Prometheus that are not ambiguous, but vague/ unclear:
*The green egg/crystal/ bio-weapon/ ornament.
*The alien-mural: multiple explanations.
*The black goo: I’m not even going to start with this one…
*Why did Weyland hide on the ship the entire time?
*Shaw crying in front of the mirror: I got this from the ‘everything wrong with Prometheus’-clip that’s on Youtube: ‘ Is she crying about her dead dreams, her dead lover or her dead faith?’
*The engineer ripping David’s head off: Was it because they asked him to tell them the secret for eternal life? Was he angry that they woke him up/ didn’t get his coffee? Or that they made an android and that he felt threatened by our inventiveness. Did David offend him? Did he think David was a Nazi? Lol
Other flaws:
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film9292
Some others I noticed:
*Shaw looks through a crevice in the rock and by the time Charlie gets there, it’s already a massive hole sealed with plastic. She even has already dated the drawing to be 35.000 years old. O.o
*In 2089 some people don’t even know what a Christmas tree is anymore…
*Scientists can’t tell if a structure is natural or not…
*’JESUS. THE SUNLIGHT IS HEATING THE WATER…’ WELL DUH!!
*’Ellie, I’m not wearing this thing anymore (helmet)’ Was it really that uncomfortable to wear? Well, then die if you really want to take the risk.
*’Just another tomb?’ What the hell, dude?
*Holloway doesn’t care at ALL about David’s safety, yet he’s the one who yells at him that they’re leaving.
*no contamination protocols whatsoever…
*How come there’s cell growth on the engineer’s head?
* DNA match? As in: ‘when you look for the culprit of a crime’- DNA-match?
*Holloway getting drunk, ah sr*w it!
Conclusion: Man, this is may be my third of fourth viewing but this is amateur hour…at best! Never have I come across so many stupid faults in a movie of this caliber that has such a famous name in cinema-land attached to it. Not even the amazing visuals can save it. Prometheus is vague as **** and definitely not as ‘ambiguous’ as some people believe it to be. This movie has only one leg it can stand on and it barely even succeeds in doing that. It NEEDS a sequel to give answers to the billions of questions raised here. It cannot stand on its own because the story can be interpreted in a million ways. I still can’t wrap my mind around the fact how unbelievably unsophisticated it all turned out to be. It raises SO many questions, they’re now having trouble to write a sequel, of which I’m not surprised at all. I honestly don’t get that nobody mentioned these flaws in basic movie-making 101 to Ridley. I tried to list it all but it’s just too much and I gave up when I wasn’t even halfway.
And we are being spoon fed:
Janek says it’s a weapons-facility. BAM!
You don\\\'t see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage!
November 13, 2013
Yer anyway I was just interpreting the "more than one" part literally as it does not say "not more than two" . I know the origins are that it was from bi meaning two but that was a long time ago and allot of words are evolving recently. And I know it is almost always two things simply maybe because we find more than two hard to use. Anyway just the way I see it.
Gimm-e yer I got very imotional near the begging of this film launch now im a bit more calm and I have given up arguing some points like many others. The universe is just to complex and full of different people . But its still fun to rib a few people now and again. And throw ya opinion out there sometimes :) .
"It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D
November 13, 2013
What I find hilarious is that the Wiki definition of ambiguity has proven itself (judging by the responses on this thread), not only to be ambiguous, but possibly vague as well. The opposite of vague being exact.
The Oxford English Dictionary, which is used by the examinations boards of the UK gives the following.
ambiguous (noun: ambiguity)
1. doubtful, questionable; indistinct, obscure, not clearly defined
2. admitting more than one interpretation, or explanation; of double meaning, or of several possible
meanings; equivocal (the commonest use.)
3. of doubtful position or classification, as partaking of two characters or being on the boundary line
between
4. of things: wavering or uncertain in direction or tendency; of doubtful or uncertain issue
5. hence, insecure in its indications; not to be relied upon
6. of persons, oracles, etc.: using words of doubtful or double meaning
Therefore, no mention of interpretations being limited to two.
November 13, 2013
Heh yer I was actually thinking that it isnt totally clear. And allot of words are like this - it would be good if they added weather it was 2 or more or just 2! Heh silly argument I know :p ...
It does however mention double which would be two but also several which usually means 3 or more I think. And of course the one or more bit :)
"It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D
November 13, 2013
Well it is actually still not certain which one of us is correct funnily enough - never mind.
"It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D
November 13, 2013
The whole argument over what is ambiguous or vague appears to come down to what interpretation may have been inferred.
When Halloway takes his helmet off, my interpretation is that it has been inferred that he is claustrophobic. At the start of the movie he is outside. When he discusses David using his helmet. Does’nt it make sense that a claustrophobic person would point this out and raise the question of why wear it if you do not need to. Finally, he takes the thing off because he needs to, and knowing that he can breath without it is an excuse to take it off.
Also claustrophobia is a fear, something which David would not completely understand. So the question would appear to be a misinterpreted insult.
