just a thought, nothing big really.

This is regarding the ample room. Maybe what happend when they opened the door was a sign of environmental change. When the room was sealed for the last time (2000 years ago), the environment was different. The atmosphere was breathable and air quality was better. When the door was sealed the atmosphere from that time period was also sealed in there. Since then the outside environment has changed. that's absolutely true. Can't add anything here. Just a long shot here. If the black goo has something to do with evolution. And a part of evolution being adapting to the environment. Maybe it(the black goo) was designed for earth style conditions. When they opened the door, the outside climate changed the evolutionary process That's a really cool idea actually, hadn't looked at it that way yet. So the goo also evolves, man that would explain alot I think.

Not sure what to say about the effect on the Worm on Earth, but its safe to say the ampule room at that time had a environment similar as it was breathable. But Certainly we see the Temple Complex had that one segment near center that seemed to generate a breathable atmosphere i.e Terra Forming. Maybe the reason for the Doors and Markings and Control Panel on that ampule Room was that it was a sterile environment and had to be maintained that way. Then we also get maybe the reason for the Space Jockey Suits, as we know the Engineer did not need them or at least for periods outside the ship. The Suits did not protect the Engineers from the Goo Outbreak once one occurs. So chances are these Suits simply stop the Engineers from contaminating the atmosphere, which means maybe some of the chemicals given off by the respiratory function of carbon based life forms. i.e exhale CO2 that effects the climate to activate the ampules. Climate is a big role in both the Ampule/Urns and Eggs as in Alien under the protective laser barrier Kane described the climate like the Tropics compared to how cold the Pilot Room was. So again changes in climates and temperatures may render the Urns and Eggs in state of stasis and to become active.

Oh... I see your point now... ermmmm interesting indeed.... So you ponder that the Goo had taken on Xeno traits purely due to causes in how it recodes genetics in the atmosphere at present when the crew was there. Essentially the Sacrificial Engineer broke down and never produced Xeno traits because the climate on that planet and something in the climate on LV-223 causes the Goo to have behaved differently..... i.e if that Engineer had drank the goo in the Ampule Room then he may had broken down and his gene pool and DNA and reform to have different characteristics i.e Xeno maybe the Silca from outside has something to do with that, as the Xeno was described as being Silicone based? i think! Yes that could work........ However the Murals would be the problem as they depict Xeno -Esque Life forms and Cycle and even the Fresco shows a Traditional Xeno hand and Egg. Good theory though and one i never thought off that could cover some of the inconsistencies between the Goo used at the beginning and that on LV 223. Another problem though would be Holloway, as its safe to assume David froze the Urn before it was contaminated and thus when he opened it up maybe it should not have been effected as the others that mutated Fifield and the Worms was... But Holloway still leads to something Xeno related.. that being Shaws Baby.

But my view of that Room was that they was using the process that was used on the Sacrificial Engineer to break down a Organism to then store its broken down DNA into the Urns... a re-weaponizing of a Xeno or related ancestor or predecessor. The Space Jockey Suits and Sterile Environment in that room is to make sure that no other genetic material DNA ends up in the Urns apart from the Organism they wished to obtain its pure DNA from. And that also this material once in those Urns is effected by climate and also maybe CO2 or other exhaled product of the Engineers respiratory system and indeed mankind. Thus the Urns while in space or if left on a planet that has no atmosphere etc would simply be inactive.... But once they are on a planet or environment where temperature and certain elements in the atmosphere are there will cause the Goo to become active. i.e CO2 levels maybe etc.

BigDave, My belief exactly. The substance from the beginning was used to break down the Xeno/Deacon creatures from the mural, and the resulting blackness was stored in the urns. To me, this is a clear indication that the Black Goo is not what The engineer ingested in the first scene, and thus eliminates one pr two 'inconsistencies'.

Very interesting this idea is. From what I understand, David took one of the ampules that hadn't started to leak. He then refrigerated it maybe keeping it in a state of stasis. The black stuff from the remaining ampules, would have been exposed to the elements i.e. Silica, CO2, Fifields second hand ganga smoke and other toxins from the crew. At the end of the film, we can safely assume that everything in the ampule chamber will continue to absorb even more of these toxins. It would be very interesting to see the outcome! But will Ridley want to go back to LV223?

@BigDave and @Fleshvessel, Can be the murals a summary of what you are saying? With the original creature that could be used as raw material; for future disintegration and after that the DNA extraction... [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/prometheus_zps72884dfc.jpg[/img] And the final product stored at the Urns [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/20120711035713Prometheus_mural1_zps617e9233.jpg[/img]

Sorry, triple post XD

@shambs I think its the other way around maybe? That Fresco is very Adam and God from the Sistine Chapel also this Birdy Xeno is in a like fetal pose, its as if its either 1) Just Born so that it may be birthed from the Engineer? Or created from him. 2) It is in a pose of worship to the Engineer! 3) It is representing it some how is controlled by the Engineer! The main Mural we see the outline is much like the Egg, and the focal point is the Deacon Type Xeno in the Center, its in a Sacrificial Pose like Christ. Now this does not mean its Christ or does it have to mean that the Engineers Worship the Deacon as a God. Not to say their is some Worship as India they Worship Elephants and Cows are Sacred etc. What does the Jesus Cross represent to their faith? It is to show the Sacrifice Christ Made to Mankind so we can be saved... This is from Spaights draft.... "THE ENGINEER ...spreads his arms. Stands cruciform, nearly headless." This is after he consumes the Goo and its at the point where he is about to fall into the Water Fall..... Again stands Cruciform during the Sacrifice Scene. This Engineer (Lindeloffs) was Sacrificed with the Goo so that his genetic material would break down, then mix with the Goo and this new substance could then when it comes into contact with basic life it mutates and evolves it and this life then takes on the Engineers DNA and Traits... Spaights draft we actually had the Scarabs that consumed the Engineer molecule by molecule and these Scarabs that had eaten and stored Engineers Genetic Code then flew off into the wind and one came across a Primordial Primate and Bite her and injected its cargo of Engineer DNA into her and she mutated and Evolved and carried Engineer DNA thus led to Mankind. Thus could the Deacon pose be to show again that this Organism was Sacrificed the same way to produce a broken down genetic material that like wise Evolves and Mutates what ever it contacts with the original sacrifices DNA thus Xeno? We only have to see the alternative Altar Shot where the Green Orb was originally the Sacrificial Bowl... Add these clues, look at how we see the Goo work and consider them and it gives us a simple Answer.... Essentially ask yourself this, had the Sacrificial Engineer did his Sacrifice into a Large Bath or Vat and the hole at bottom connected to pipes that lead to Bottles, could not the Engineers broken down material be collected in those Bottles and not fall into the Water Fall? Would said Bottles then if thrown or emptied into the lake not produce the same result?

I also was wondering if the last Engineer 'Bob' was pissed because the crew set off a chain of events in the Ampule Room that he had just struggled to contain & had survived?

Maybe that could be the case as far as what the cut version may try and lead us to see.... The deleted Scenes show things differently and basically Weyland asking to be made Immortal as the Engineers that made him angry and the fact he noticed David was a creation by Mankind. End of the day we can not say he would have been all open arms to the crew had Weyland not asked such questions.... But we have to not include the deleted scenes if we are trying to discus things as Canon, because Ridley/Fox intentions are that those scenes never happened. So yes the Engineer gets woken up from a mission he had to cancel because all his crew was killed off by a outbreak and he managed to keep himself safe from harm in his Cryo Sleep Pod. And now this group of Humans have turned up at the Facility and are contaminating the place, and also the fact they know how to get there and can get there, and as the Engineer is the last on LV 223 (so we assume) he can not let any of Mankind get there hands on that stuff....

"My belief exactly. The substance from the beginning was used to break down the Xeno/Deacon creatures from the mural, and the resulting blackness was stored in the urns. To me, this is a clear indication that the Black Goo is not what The engineer ingested in the first scene, and thus eliminates one pr two 'inconsistencies'." C'mon man, obviously the black goo in the first scene is the goo they discover later on. Because why would you introduce it in the beginning and then never come back to it again later in the story, which they do. If the goo from the beginning was purple or green, I'd believe you.

Its not the same substance Gimm-e its different and that debate about what color it is irrelevant. Do you believe vodka is H2O just because its watery in appearance? It doesnt make it exactly water now does it. Even though they both contain water?!....No they have different effects and one is healthy the other messes you up. The goo in the beginning is not the same stuff its almost translucent before entering his body from the container. It almost has a purple-ish hue to it.

Also it doesnt have an expiration date its not milk gone bad then morphs you it makes no sense it thats your conclusion is. You dont necessarily have to go full circle to visit the exact same substance when its clear that they changed it or came up something new-er for war and harvesting.

Thee Goo at the start of the movie was actually like a silver and gold in color it was thicker, like kind of a butter substance. Once it was ingested it then turned black, thats not to say that it changes black anyway or it could be it changes black when it is breaking down the DNA of its victim. This is the great thing with the Ambiguity and also counter conflicts that Weyland Files produce, it means its not clear as to the connection and each person will arrive to a different conclusion. I described mine and why in this post, the Weyland Files however point to my theory being wrong, but then it does say like only 10% accurate translation lol. You see the problems i have with the goo being the same are as follows... 1) Our DNA matched the Engineers because we came from them, well from the Sacrificial scene. Thats why we look similar. How come the events from contact with the Goo in Urns produces Mutant Hybrids that have Xeno Traits? How come life on Earth does not have Xeno Traits? 2) If only Xeno Traits occur from other organisms and not Engineers i.e if they take the Goo then they break down genetically, then why was the Engineers so afraid of a outbreak that would just produce Engineer DNA that would evolve organism not like the Xeno, because if thats not the case then why did no Xeno related Organism evolve from the Sacrificial Scene? 3) If ingestion breaks down the DNA but contact with skin etc, mutates them into monsters, why does the Head show signs of breaking down? The Engineers all appeared to have holes from maybe exploding under pressure caused by the reaction of being broken down like the Sacrificial Engineer. If not then they did not mutate into life forms like Fifield, maybe one or a few did or something else caused the holes in those bodies. Its just to Ambiguous to know. 4) Related to above, if Holloway consumed the substance and thus as he did this he was breaking down at a slower rate, then why did having sex with Shaw lead to the closest thing in the movie to a Xeno Life Cycle. So its very confusing and makes no sense not how Weyland files suggest. What i make from the Clues makes sense, and also Spaights method of the Scarabs is the same. The only other explanation is as follows... Goo when ingested in large amounts by a Engineer breaks his DNA apart and then reforms to make new Organisms, or mutates organisms that contain Engineer DNA Goo when in contact with Engineers skin, either causes them to break down in a different manner well slightly or causes them to become hybrids but not dramatic transformation. Both of the above because their DNA is pure.... Goo when consumed by other none Engineer organisms, breaks them down but depends on amount consumed and as the DNA is breaking down some enters a state of mutation some cells become mutated as opposed to broke down i.e Sperm... When Goo comes into contact with other organism other than Engineer it mutates the Organisms DNA into a Hybrid Organism And all these mutations and break downs some how have a relation to Xeno DNA some how.... But with a Engineer the mutation is not as severe and thus no real Xeno traits as the Engineers are PURE!

Anyway we can debate away, but for all intensive purposes of the movie then yes the SUBSTANCE IS THE SAME.... Or so maybe the Weyland files are trying to say, but again it says its far from a complete translation and it appears to be information about whats stored inside the Urns.. Thus had those files showed the Sacrificial Bowl then maybe we could argue its the same. But the movie is trying to well the way Fox are going with changes, is indeed same substance. Well very related and thus not a result of something broken down from substance as i made from the clues.

If the two are the same then why didn't holloway break up lilke the engineer at the start of the movie ????

Well the answer is it looked like he was, and the reason it took longer was he had consumed a smaller and diluted amount. That answers that one for ya! But the biggest hole to that is as always, that every result from infection with that stuff in the Urns leads us to something related to the Xeno. And especially if we look at the other Fifield concepts and other unused concepts [img]http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Prometheus_Concept_Art_Ivan_Manzella_14a.jpg[/img] [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QCwzyoqWt4g/UDgZA57sOxI/AAAAAAAACv8/wWnGLgEfXH0/s320/fifield2.jpg[/img] You can see Xeno influence, and also dont forget that we had Hamerpedes and most of all Shaws Baby that basically was a Hybrid Face Huger that had same method and life cycle as the Xeno, only as it was half Human the Chest Buster was fully formed like a Human Child with Placenta and it hand Human Hands as opposed to Xeno and it had teeth that was not like the Xeno. If it was same substance, then we have to ask why do we not see Xeno DNA and Traits in Mankind and only Engineer DNA? Thus its the Xeno DNA in Urns link and no signs of it from Sacrificial Scene i,e life on Earth that to me is the biggest smoking gun as far as the same substance theory goes. Then thats why Fox released that file so we can be shown they are the same or so it hints.... but this same file says mutation occurs from inhale substance in the air... Why was no one else infected then? And that the Ampules need to be kept a certain distance apart of they become active.... well that must mean the ones stacked in the Cargo Hold of the Juggernaut must be empty then lol

If it was an attack by another faction, rogue engineer or just an accident, could the door to the sterile room have somehow been opened and they were running to seal it hence putting on their suits to try and avoid contamination? The last guy managed to seal it but got caught in the door and they were already infected? I think it is pretty safe to say that was the manufacturing room. Gee how lucky were the crew, not only did they find the temples as soon as they flew down but they also found the right temple ;)

@ Oduodu, because of sloppy writing. Don't blame me. The engineer drank a whole cup, Holloway just one drop. So you didn't see Holloway's face right before he died? He didn't look too good, with all the black veines in his face. @Annunaki, yes I know the difference between Wodka and water, no need to insult me. The two substances ARE the same. you guys can make up as much as you want, but 90 % of the audience who saw the movie and are NOT on this site probably came to the same conclusion as me.

Its not the same substance Gimm-e its different and that debate about [b]what color it is irrelevant.[/b] Do you believe vodka is H2O just because its watery in appearance? It doesnt make it exactly water now does it. Even though they both contain water?!....No they have different effects and one is healthy the other messes you up. The goo in the beginning is not the same stuff its almost translucent before entering his body from the container. [b]It almost has a purple-ish hue to it.[/b] I thought the color was irrelevant?

I'm not sure this helps, but the ampule room reacted like it did because it was prepared to do so like a trap. The builders or the saboteurs (take your pick) wanted what followed to happen when the room was entered, to whomever entered it.

[quote]If the two are the same then why didn't holloway break up lilke the engineer at the start of the movie ???? [/quote] Have you seen how began the mutation of Fifield? or of the Hammerpede? Nope, none of us have seen that, so we can not ensure that Holloway is going through the same process as the first engineer. In addition the results are quite clear (regardless of similarities), and based on these results we see that the second Black Goo contains DNA from xenomorphs, not necessary pears and apples. but surely you read the script by Jon Spaihts, and there is the original performance of the Black Goo.

At the end the results speak louder than appearances, and that helps us to recognize that they are two different types of substance. Besides the Black Goo is not exactly the same, similar yes, but not the same anyways. Also two types of Goo not look 100% identical anyway. (again the pears and apples are not necessary)

Many valid points. I am not going to argue about this . Its my belief they are different. After fifield gets injected by the scarabs in the spaihts draft he becomes very much a xeno type creature. So the engineers drop those vases on worlds to cause the population to to reseed itself. Ok.

I think one of the keys to the black goo is how it reacts. If you noticed during the opening scene. The engineer opens the bowl, the substance inside begans to react. He see this and then he quickly drinks it. I think he knows he has to consume it quickly. Regarding the black goo that leaked from the canisters in the ample. I think the substance inside was exposed to the environment for too long and lost its 'active ingredience'.......perhaps. I believe that the black goo goes though a cycle . First it will absorb,perhaps from what closest to it (biological/environmental). This first step wll determine the next step/s.

I think the storm(silca) that hit at the time is also key . I think that the black goo absorbed the silca and that became the bases for the next step. Between 1. the engineer at the start. 2. fifield. 3. Hollaway All had different sources, methods of ingestion and origins of black goo. I think regarding this new theory which to me sounds feasible. I believ there is only one black goo.

@Gimm-e "I thought the color was irrelevant?" Whatever.... what I was trying to do was make a comparison of the two and show you there is a difference. Holy sh*t dude dont be an #ss about it.

Well the movie is trying to say there is just one Goo, and in a nutshell there is, the clues point out that there is two different effects. Now Spaights there was just ONE TYPE of Scarab but again two types of effects, you see the Scarab that bite Fifield injected Xeno DNA thus we get Hybrid Fifield with Xeno DNA. Now the Primative Primate that was bitten by the Scarab mutated and had Engineer DNA injected into it. This Engineer DNA the Scarab had got as it had eaten with millions of others every part of the Engineers genetic material. So by that notion the plot showed that the Scarab that had bitten Fifield must have got that DNA from eating with many other scarabs every genetic molecule of a Xeno or related Organism. The Goo was based on the Scarabs, so why cant the link be similar? @pulserifle187 Good point, problem would be the Mural..... Unless..... The Engineers used LV 223 as a creation outpost where they was to watch over our Evolution, they then produced more of the Goo to be used to Evolve us further and further. As the Sacrificial Scene to me implies it occurred at least many hundreds of millions of years ago. One time during the production of more Goo, a storm kicked in and somehow contaminated the Goo, the Silica and maybe Worms or Worm Eggs got mixed up with the substance and it produced something new and horrific and as a result created some ancient Face Huger Organism, that got to a Engineer and produced the Deacon. These Engineers who maybe lost the ability to procreate any other way, and used the Goo to seed worlds and futher add their genepool to evolve said worlds, was then facinated at the result of the Deacon Birth. It showed for the first time in Millions if not much longer a Engineer giving Birth to new Life. They then worshiped this and made a Mural and continued to produce this contaminated Goo and actually favored the results and decided to then use it to evolve us on a different route to the one originally intended. Thats the kind of idea i get if i take into account pulserifle187 theory about what if the silica from storms contaminated the Goo. And when i look at all that went on, all the clues and Mural then to me this is another valid answer and alternative to the other in that the outpost they was re-weaponizing the Xeno using same method the Engineer seeded his DNA in the Sacrificial Scene. So now that gives two more plausible explanations.