Important reading: Everything that explains \'Alien\' and it\'s connection to \'Prometheus\'.

Yes, but BigDave, in the end the scene with Dallas, Brett and the so-called Egg-Morph thing got re-instated to the DVD remastered re-release.  So it is now part of the imagined Alien 'universe' and so now part of 'canon' aswell. It was deleted but it is now reinstated for good so it's official as far as DVD viewing goes.

So Egg-Morphing and Egg-Laying go hand-in-hand as either-or as far as canon goes. Both concepts are right or defers to either one-or-the-other provided what the given enviromental circumstances and conditions are prevalent at the time.

This thread

started by Necronom4 in Aug 2012,  BigDave already had the idea for the engineers being under the elders and a hierarchy as a slave race.

I never saw this until now.

Bigdave you were at least 6 months ahead of me.

/https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/07/21/gods-monsters/

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The most controversial aspect of the Engineer however was his relationship to the Space Jockey, ie: the Jockey was only one component of this gargantuan being; a suit or instrument. The real creature lay within.

“The giant [in Alien] was conceived as a skeleton,” Ridley Scott admitted. “I kept staring at the skeleton … then I thought, twenty, thirty, actually twenty six years on, ‘what if this is not a skeleton, but we only see it as a skeleton because of our own indoctrination?’ and I thought, ‘what happens if it’s another form of protection, or a suit? If it’s a suit, then what’s inside the suit?'”

“It could be a degraded suit,” Scott says in Prometheus: The Art of the Film. “It’s only you saying that because you think you’re looking at bone structure and a ribcage. Why isn’t that a suit? It’s been lying there disintegrating for two or three thousand years in deep cold; that could be a suit. The suit works great as a kind of organic, very sophisticated spacesuit.”

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So Ridley never abandoned the skeleton idea from starbeast.

Posted 18 May 2015

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/07/21/gods-monsters/

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“I think that was,” said Neville Page regarding the Space Jockey-Engineer, “and I’m guessing here quite honestly, that it was a bit of reverse engineering. I’m not sure how much Ridley knew when he was doing the first film that the elephantine face was going to be a helmet.”

Neville admitted that though they were retconning the original Space Jockey, it didn’t seem like a challenge to imagine that the ossified creature could be, essentially, a biomechanical life-support machine:

“It was a matter of shoehorning the Engineer into that device and being able to have him revealed so that he does look like the iconic Florentine sculptures that Ridley referenced in the ‘Art of’ book. Trying to have it be human yet knowing that that elephantine structure could not be a human head. It was pretty easy to just imagine that that’s some kind of specialized space helmet shell device.”

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So is Prometheus perhaps a retcon after all ??

Posted: 18 May 2015

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/07/21/gods-monsters/

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Creature conceptual artist Carlos Huante also provided designs for the Engineers, though he was not entirely satisfied with the end result: “I wasn’t entirely happy with the Engineer design” he told AVPGalaxy. “I thought it was great in theory but I thought it was going to be very difficult in application. And then after the design was settled on, we discussed the fabrication issues I foresaw. I predicted that the Engineers could end up looking fat or thick with bellies if they added too much rubber build up for the suit. Then the costume over all that rubber I thought they’re going to look fat for sure, which they did. So… There’s that.”

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Posted 28 May 2015

Neville Paige also studied Industrial Design. Same as HR Giger.

Neville Paige explaining that the David statue - The Statue of Liberty - Elvis Pressley was involved in designing the engineers

posted on 28 May 2015

Neville Page on Alien

HE says Alien is perfect

@ Oduodu,  Ya...Right!?

Isle of Skye cave painting. Note the animal at the bottom.

Posted 4 June 2015

Posted 9 Aug 2015

http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/13689

Brilliand thread started by Shambs about the similarity between Prometheus and at the Mountains of
Madness.

posted 14 aug 2015

On a different forum member Hudafuk made the  point about Shaw stumbling stapled and bloodied into Welyland ' s presence and not being surprised about it or anyone being concerned.

My response was that it may have been that David and the crew was already aware about her and what happened. It remains a good point though. Prometheus has faults that is so. I also gleaned from that discussion that  it may have had something to do with the rearangin of scenes as the fifield attack was supposed to still happen.

The member Hudafuk indicated that he thought the rearanging of the scenes was for the purpose of changing the pacing of the film.

I thought it worth sharing and credit to Hudafuk.

Necronom4's thread on the effect of HP Lovecarft on the Alien script.

This is a link to the a thread started by Necronom4.

This thread is asking some of the basic questions I always wanted answers on.

The above mentioned thread is showing the relationship between HP Lovecraft and Dan o' Bannon's writing on the Alien script. Very interesting. Especially how Total Recall and Alien originated from the same minds.  

Important thread to study.

This is from a post by me in the thread about the influence of Hp Lovecraft’s work on the Alien script written by Dan O Bannon.

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The Cthulhu creature bears a Resemblance to the Space Jockey and it seems as is suggested in this thread of the mural in Prometheus. I now wonderif perhaps the the horned creature in the picture of the engineer elder Pointing to the starmap or pictogram was perhaps a creature shunned In favour of the Xenomorph type Creature.

Necronom 4

I have looked at the pictures you and BigDave posted. So the idea for the Space Jockey being a suit was perhaps Ridley’s and not o' Bannon's. So perhaps the Space Jockey is a derivative of the Cthulhu creature you posted a picture of and perhaps the Space Jockey in Alien wasn't a suit but in fact a Cthulu creature that could be Called an elder and that the Engineer is a cross of this creatureAnd humans. This could fit in nicely with my slave race theory since the Cthulu creaure is gods and they do indeed exist if I read correctly outside our dimension.Like I predicted the elders might be. So perhaps the Xenomorph as a relative of The yor soggoth is perhaps a godLike type of pet as sometimes kings would have a tiger or lion on a chain near their throne and would sometimes let them feed onTheir enemies they have conquered therefore perhaps the Space Jockey humanoids are carrying eggs of Xenomorph’s that these Cthulhu elders or deities have commanded them to drop

On other deities planets as to compare whose "pets" are the strongest. Maybe its just a game for them and mankind was perhaps not showing the Respect to the Cthulhu as they Were created as lesser race to
Perhaps test the Xenomorph 's strengthAnd had to be removed becauseWe no longer served this purpose. So the Space Jockey's are interstellar lesser versions of the Cthulu and the engineers are a cross between mankind and the and the Cthulu to perhaps test different aspectsOf our design. This could fit nicely with my hierarchy slave race theory and perhaps the Xenomorph is like the pets of the god that is being in an
interstellar game of war between the gods.

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This fits nice indeed.

Towards the end of thread started by Necronom4 mentioned above he posts a link to the  Engineer mythos.

Here it is.

This is a must read for anyone who wants to understand Alien and Prometheus and their relationship to each other better.
 

Its found at Valaquen's Strange Shapes website.

All credit to Necronom4 !!

Also as Svanya has said many Times the Strange  Shapes Website is wonderful.

So perhaps this is a good place for anyone to start reading if you would like to enhance your understanding of the Alien Prometheus Universe.

So it seems the slave race theory might not be as far fetched at all is it is mentioned in the engineer mythos article linked in the above mentioned thread.

Here is a screenshot of the Prometheus draft i found in a video about David Fassbender. It seems to be a part of the Furious Gods documentary.

Note the 78E .

Is this page 78 of the E draft of Prometheus ??  Also note that Shaw head's to the exploded engineer head with a syringe to extract a tissue sample.

I dont  remember that in Prometheus.

Or am I wrong ??

Any thoughts ??

Here's the picture:

Check this out.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Alien

Who says there were no guns in alien ??