please , no queen

meshuggah- I bow to you! Your idea makes total, logical, sense.

Hell yes, O'Bannon IS Canon!! Also that cargo on the LV426 derelict could have been intended for the Engineer/Elder homeworld, to transform them?

Great thread Pulse & terrific input from all posters.....*waves to Big Dave & The Noobmeister!* ;)

Transformation rules! I seriously doubt Ridley would want to include any Queenie reference given that this is now HIS chance to evolve the story.

I dont think we will even see anything related to Eggs and the Xeno... The only thing i think we would find out is the connection ultimately between the Black Goo in the Urns and the Xeno... i.e If the Goo created the Xeno, then we may be given clues to where that Goo came from and a hint of what other creatures it could create. If the Goo came from the Xeno, then we may be given clues to such and also ultimately where the Xeno came from.. But without us actually having Eggs, Face Huggers and Xenos running around. Ultimately i think the Eggs and Goo was created some how from something else, that the Engineers either found and experimented on to create such things.... Or was created by something else that had also created the Engineers.

Yeah, well as I said, we haven't seen the last of the goo and the urns and I suspect things will be more explicitly laid out for us. I think the urns changing into these biomechanoid biohazards makes too much sense and lines up perfectly and simply; Lindelof in the commentary speaks of 'these things in these vases...sought of encased in that black goop..." and Arthur Max in the Art of the Film speaks of creatures inside the ampules thus I think no matter how implicit the connection between the urns and the 'eggs' I think it is rather quite obvious. The reason I think that others didn't make or didn't want to see the connection between the two is that it is a) Simple, b) Complex and long-winded explanations are more tempting and give fans pretentious boners to impress the perplexed and c) Many of the Aliens fanboys are hung up on the Queen being responsible for the very first eggs despite the fact that Ridley has stated repeatedly that the derelict was carrying 'cargo' and cargo that 'got out of control'. It doesn't make sense that you would be able to control the eggs before storing them as cargo let alone try and control a Queen. How would you even [i]drop[/i] the eggs onto planets? They all seem to stick together so as to be stationary for hosts. This is why ampules or Urns make more sense as artillery to drop onto worlds, ergo, the derelict was carrying urns that got out of control and evolved; the film implicitly puts the chicken or the egg issue to rest. As to the origins and ultimate 'purpose' of the black goo in and of itself, and as it pertains to the culture and motives of the engineers or, indeed, a faction of engineers, that is still unclear but hopefully Paradise will clear that up for us. I wish more were appreciative of how much Pro realised and paid homage to O'Bannon and it's not just those urns with strange markings.

I am pretty sure the insect thing wasn't Cameron's idea. Ridley and the other original creators of [i]Alien [/i], Giger, Shusett and Ridley have all been quoted as describing the Alien/Xeno as being insect-like. [i]"I wanted him [the Alien] to be insect-like. Like an ant. Because if you examine an ant under a microscope they’re kind of elegant, and I wanted him to be very elegant and dangerous". ~Ridley Scott (1991)[/i]” [i]“We decided to make a very elegant creature: quick, and like an insect.” HR Giger, Cinefex, 1979.[/i] [i]“It was our idea that it would be the life cycle of an insect. The way a wasp will sting a spider, paralyse it, and lay its eggs in the spider … that we did want it to be …. We thought people might pick up on it and say, ‘yeah, an alien life cycle can be an insect life cycle".~Ron Shusett[/i] [url=http://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/the-insect-influence/]Alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/the-insect-influence[/url]

I can remember clearly, on one documentary for ALIENS, somewhere on the internet, that Cameron based ALIENS on the STARSHIP TROOPERS novel (poop) I will try and find it. "I'll be back"

This isn't the documentary but it's something else that shows Cameron was inspired by the STARSHIP TROOPERS novel. [url=http://www.film4.com/reviews/1986/aliens]ALIENS kissing and cuddling upto STARSHIP TROOPERS[/url] In my viewing of Ridley Scott and H R Giger interviews, where they have mentioned that the Giger Alien was inspired by an insect, or that they wanted it to be like an insect, was just the aesthetic in my opinion. Ridley wanted the creature to be "alien" to our way of thinking about reproduction. (That was his real goal.) And he achieved that with the cacoon scene, which he later released in the DC of ALIEN. A Insects reproduction method is very Earthly (ie not alien to our way of thinking.) Cameron creating the queen to explain where the eggs came from was VERY lazy on his part IMHO