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MemberOvomorphMar-29-2013 4:01 AMI realise Prometheus has been made and bonds us (genetically) to the Engineers but... did it need to?
Imagine this pre-Alien one-shot flim idea: the giant Space Trucker's priority cargo isn't the EGGs, its the precocious Peter Weyland.
Seriously, have the young lad as some sort of galactic experiment* or space soldier* and have him be the covert hand-over deal on LV-426 - or just have him as a stowaway. Get him back on Earth (using some narrative device like a gap in spacetime caused by the derelict's malfunctioning control system once chestburster explodes through Space Trucker's carapace), get him an ID then a family then a business empire (sorta like what happens to David Bowie in The Man Who Fell To Earth).
Then your post-Alien Franchise is intact and can flourish as it did without parallel hitch. In fact, this'll be why he sent Sulako to LV-426, to finish off the deal that went wrong, or to merely exploit the alien EGGs only he knows are there. You could then have the Yutani Corporation discover his galactic origins and BLACKMAIL him into later coalition.
* yeah, kinda like the film Hanna. :)
As you'll see, I've only recently changed the title of this post from 'alternative alien prequel' to 'alien abducted (human traffic)'. Reason? I think I want the (whatever they are) Space Truckers to be traders OR PIRATES i.e. abductors/resellers of fleshvessels i.e. Humanoids.
I want Peter Weyland to be THE ONLY ONE WHO'S EVER ESCAPED THEIR CARGO HOLDS in 2001. All the other 'children' got Egg-ified. Derelict installed on LV-426 with 'do not land' priority all over it. Weyland would 'know' what the beacon meant when he sent the Prometheus/Magellan out into the stars.
That's our REAL HERITAGE, not that we were created by 3m bald blue aliens but that we're a GALACTIC COMMODITY traded like gold, silver or copper. And still could be today.
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Anunnaki50
MemberOvomorphMar-29-2013 5:04 PMYes the Engineers would need to be seen regardless, without them it would be a boring alien creature rehash all over again. It makes the story more interesting to me at least.
The Anunnaki were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, mighty men of high reno
Custodian
MemberOvomorphMar-30-2013 4:02 AMcheers Anunnaki50,
the basic concept is that it's a CROSSING OF THE STREAMs rather than a continuation of an earlier stream.
Technically, the 'Engineers scarab'd or goo'd Human Cleverness' is arse because of randomicity in both dynamics. You could have easily got a clever worm or clever cat, the way Prometheus suggests Intervention Theory. Seeds cast into the wind, and all that fallow ground Biblicism.
Much better imho that the previous Space Trucker World 'crashed into' or 'momentarily interacted with' the Human World -- this, for me, is more convincing than the two worlds being dependent upon one another for the reason of 'story'; especially in light of blatant and cynical Space Jesus-ism being expounded by the early Spaiht script. This way you get your alternative universe Space Trucker world the way the comics expanded it, for example.
A successful 'prequel' only has to 'get to the opening' of the destination movie, it doesn't have to 'be intimately related to that story in ANY WAY'.
In the above case, Peter Weyland never has to reveal his origins; he's just Peter Weyland who patents some amazing technology he might have even stolen in the prequel. Weyland literally emigrated from the Space Trucker world to the Human World; never to return. Proven by the lineage of the Alien Franchise Journey.
:)
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Custodian
MemberOvomorphMar-31-2013 8:11 AMOkay,
as you'all seem (understandably) reluctant to get involved in this crazy scheme, I'll offer you this to help the dabate along.
PROMETHEUS NEVER HAPPENED.
Stunning revelation, right? Well, remember back to a time when we were all 'hypothesising' that the content of this Alien Prequel (as it was back then) wasn't really what happened i.e. it was all the broadcast message fantasy/glitch of one inventive invented persona i.e. David 8, and there'd be an Xmas reveal along the lines of a second film showing what really happened.
And, as additional evidence for my reboot thesis (lol) neither David nor Shaw are part of the following Alien canon, whereas Weyland Yutani is. I contend that THEY DON'T MAKE IT, and their mission to meet their makers fails (maybe even at the first hurdle).
In fact, it doesn't make sense, AT ALL, that there was no surveillance (or rather accounting) of the failed mission to earth 2,000 years ago. Especially suspicious that we've not had a second return or check-up visit since we started to pollute the spacial realm with our NUCLEAR BLASTS from as early as the 1930's. And now we apparently have HYPERSPACE travel via whatever Weyland is. You'd imagine someone 'passing by' our galaxy might be able to pick up a non-natural i.e. man-made, nuclear blast signature and 'hyperspace'ing and start to get a little 'edgy' at the potential.
Anyone?
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zzplural
MemberOvomorphMar-31-2013 10:54 AMFirstly, I should say that the it-was-only-a-dream storyline was tried in 'Dallas' a couple of decades ago.
Secondly, there's no need for such drivel, because your basic premise is in error. Whilst you have these dreams that Prometheus doesn't make sense AT ALL, you might like to spend a little time wondering about some of things you don't know about rather than those that you suppose you do. You hardly know anything about the Engineers: what their true motives are; how many of them there are; how they conduct their business; whether or not it is in their nature to have a nomadic hands-off existence; whether or not they are comprised of warring factions; whether or not they are acting as agents for another force. And yet, you describe the plot as senseless because it doesn't conform to your simplistic and Earthly explanation of events. Please try harder.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent
Major Noob
MemberOvomorphMar-31-2013 11:08 AMZZ- welcome back and happy Easter, if you're so inclined!
Custodian- for me the only alternative is a fabulously expensive " foreign film" that depicts events however many thousands of years ago between the Sj, the Engineers, and whomever they got the Black Goo/ Xenos from. Something creepy, surreal and horrid, no humans and not a word of Earth language. In short, something that will never, ever happen.
King
MemberOvomorphMar-31-2013 11:28 AMAw don't worry man, i know your disappointed at how the engineers and the entire story line turned out, prometheus is prometheus, let it pass. about the "true space jockey" who knows maybe they'll see the light of day some day, you never know.
[img width=351 height=150]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ML_kFkjpdzE/SK6uPUT8iKI/AAAAAAAAGm4/tzk1lye2eZE/s400/vlcsnap-94269.jpg[/img] "Frostmourne Hungers"
Custodian
MemberOvomorphApr-01-2013 3:18 AMMajor Noob,
kinda like THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST all in alien starspeak and wild and crazy and abandon-all-hope mind-abortionist?
That'd be nice.
:)
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Custodian
MemberOvomorphApr-02-2013 10:49 AMSo, in the spirit of RATIONAL THINK (which we're all allowed, thanks Svanya) has anyone else anything to add to the 'what Alien Prequel might have been' content of this thread?
Cheers, and thanks to the thinkers.
Mike
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Custodian
MemberOvomorphApr-04-2013 1:31 AMTHIS MIGHT SIT BETTER HERE...
I know this sorta sets up the 'originator of Mankind' up as the GIger-villain, but I kinda like this .... Our story begines when Space Trucker cargo escapee "Adam" arrives on a diverse and abundant Planet Earth 30,000 years ago. He soon realises he needs more 'appendages' to enjoy the bestial feast dished up by God's Garden. Cut to candlelit chintz drapes fluttering closed on 'this' Giger scene...
[img]http://jsesautte.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/hr-giger-alien.jpg[/img]
I think there'd have to be an opening scene that punctuates THE WHOLE OF THE GRINDHOUSE FILM with different variations of that above many-fingered moment when species after species MATE with Adam and his alien-DNA just pops them, [i]kersplat[/i], and then the next bullet in the Giger gun slips into the chamber, next species, next race, until finally the proto-man or ape-creature is 'blended with' giving birth to a belly-ripping Cuddles that splits and 'delivers' the first Modern Human baby.
[img]http://www.veezzle.com/photos/images/gigers-baby-fef5fef2fef79f59ec82.jpg[/img]
It all has to be really dark and moody and insane and independent with a thrash metal score, none of this old-man The Big Country-type orchestral lament. A real hardcore Germanic score.
Will no (foreign film company) make my Alien Abducted movie?
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
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Custodian
MemberOvomorphApr-07-2013 6:46 AMI realise this thread is (technically) 'dead' but to save me starting a new thread on this subject:
XENOS BE THE FRUITING BODIES.
what does this mean in our Queenless xeno context?
Well, we all know the original Alien 'xeno' was based on the life cycle of a parasitic wasp that lays her egg in a living host and then that baby feeds on then hatches from the living host, killing it.
But for this context it might be better to see the Xenos (the moving around egg-mogrifiying aliens) as merely the 'fruiting bodies' of a larger organism or fungus.
Fungus, Mike, what's wrong with you? Well, hear me out. A fungus is a MASSIVE PLANT that stretches for miles and (when the conditions are right) starts to produce 'fruiting bodies' i.e. mushrooms etc., that can start new plants.
Egg-mogrifying living worlds has to be the means by which the xenos spore a world. When they're done, and there's no more lifeforms to egg-mogrify the planet lies dormant, like a fungal plant, until some 'opportunistic' space traveller race lands and disturbs the egg-dotted landscape.
I think it's like a game of chess, with the xenos placing their pieces across the galaxy, seeding their own selves i.e. eggs, across dormant landscapes the way spiders build webs - but the 'spider' would be like 'built into' the web, so there's nothing there once the web or fungus is in situ. No xenos remain on a lifeformsless planet.
What is the longevity of an individual xeno?
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Major Noob
MemberOvomorphApr-08-2013 6:04 AMCustodian- The fungus parallel does work, from the invasive, unstoppable and kinda filthy standpoint, with living things being the medium, or soil.
In terms of longevity I've heard everything from one day to forever. If they are a perfect organism, then forever seems about right, but in terms of story that would mean there was one living in or around the Derelict. I suppose that's not out of the question, but this is that slippery area where [i]their[/i] ( Obannon's, RS's, Lindelof's etc.) story becomes [i]our[/i] story. How much detail do you actually need? For them, only so much to get the movie done. For us, it will never be enough, unless we were all to magically agree on everything. Which would be dull.
I like to think this is why RS is deliberately vague about backstory, timelines etc., being pinned down to one thing is a limitation, and part of the energy that drives the franchise is the imagination of the fans. There's no question that we here have put much more thought into all of this ( at least collectively ) than they have, which is not at all to suggest they haven't thought things through. But it should come as no surprise that, even for our storytellers, much is left open ended. That's where the possibility bodies start fruiting.
Custodian
MemberOvomorphApr-09-2013 4:03 AMMajor Noob,
potentially, that opening scene should have been dated/located on SOME ALIEN PLANET MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO.
The 'vagueness factor' of having no caption for only this seminal scene led us to 'understand' or 'believe' that it took place on Earth in our proto-humanoid period. But it didn't have to. That scene could have taken place anywhere.
And who's to say that the Humanoids weren't HARVESTED from each planet some 'short' time afterwards, in 'their' terms.
Couldn't the ORIGINAL elephantine Space Jockey have been picking up EGGS from the surface of the already-infected LV-426? The last batch before that planet was 'cleared' and a bio-mech CHERNOBYL happened. Do Not Land beacon fires up warning all to stay clear.
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Custodian
MemberOvomorphOct-20-2013 3:28 AMis the debate dead on this topic or are we all waiting for Paradise Lost to entrain our minds that Alien never happened and Giger didn't design 'the perfect monster'?
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