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The ENGINNERS Bio-Suits: Based in part on symbolism of the 'Bird-Man' murial?

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HyperNova

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The ENGINEER'S Bio-Ship suits seem to have a basis for comparison to the, as I like to call it: 'Bird-Man' efigy on the temple wall murial. It is a thought to consider that the ENGINNERS Bio-Suits may have been designed in tribute to the ancient efigy and/or in honor to the 'Bird-Man' as a token of symbolism. [img]http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4370/birdman1.jpg[/img] A homage to a former God-symbol of theirs which then begs the question: Is the Bird-Man actually their god for real? Or was at some stage in their social development? Note the 'Bird-heads' beak and then compare it with the 'beak' of the Bio-Suit helmet that continues down into the form of a Bio-Filter-like trunk. The Bio-Suit Helmet and the Head that Shaw recovered from the temple have beak-like shape, structure and qualities to them. Even the eye sockets of the Bio-Suit helmet compared to the efigy are at times seemingly very similar in their position(s) and placing. The Bio-Suit helmets and the found head all seem to have a kind of fossilized look to them like a bird skull would look like if you found it aeons later in the dragging on of time. And in putting down a controlling hand upon the head of the thing are they (the ENGINEERS) saying: 'We don't need a god anymore, We don't need gods AT ALL anymore, WE are in control of OUR destiny, WE are the gods now!' [img]http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2564/birdmanengineer1.jpg[/img] If you see further back up the top of the page the Bird-Man's head and compare it to the ENGINNERS Bio-Suit head you can see a correllation of design pattern and links with the apparant symbolism with regards to the alien art. They are also reminiscent of the Pharoh/Ancient Eygyptians half man, half eagle-like heiroglyphs found amongst various tombs at Giza. It makes you wonder if the Space Jockey was/may have been an actual being that we haven't seen yet as well in one thought and that 'He' is in some way connected to the murial on the wall perhaps. He could be that creature, for real, and ever-after his 'passing' a mythology built-up around him and his apparant dissapearance. But if that were true, to be fair why could his ship not be detected or if it was why not come and look where he was? Maybe because of the warning beacon, in any case, it just made for interesting thought process that he was actually an Elephantine creature in a grandure archetecture to the ENGINEERS belief set-up. A Messiah for them but long lost whos point has been forgot and lost to time. [img]http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8457/eggurnn1.jpg[/img] Perhaps the teasing murial of the spindly armed Bird-Man thing holding the egg 'urn' to his/her/its face is tantermount to suggesting something in part towards the Space Jockey getting an opened egg and implying a FACEHUGGER getting out towards his face thus all these creating his demise or demise in general. The thing in the murial could be symbolically 'eating' the contents of the egg/urn or as it has been suggested self-sacraficing them/itself to ITS god or beliefs - or lack of them. 'Drinking' from it symbolically as The ENGINEER at the beginning of PROMETHEUS drank the Black Substance from the ceremonial bowl as Fiflield also drinks from his bowl in an almost ceremonial fashion in the mess hall when Milburn tries to socialize with him and attempt to make friends.
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Yes an air filtration unit does seem the ENGINEERS modern-day twist upon that archaic pictorgram of the Bird-Mans beak/form - if indeed that was the intention on their part in the first place!
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i notice also that the engineer is dressed in normallish clothes i.e. seam lines stitching boots etc
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creature also appears as if partly dressed or harnessed at least though its hard to make out
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plus goin by the images the trunk would appear to be added on very like a jet pilots helmet really
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the bird faced entities are very interesting they are IMO to prometheus what the SJ was to alien not many so far have picked up on them distracted by more prominent creatures llike the xeno/deacon etc i really hope we will see more about them in P2 or even P3! it would appear that the engineers are wearing their skulls as helmets the way ancients like romans etc woud wear a wolf or tiger pelt but is this out of symbolic reverence to a Fiercer creature or are they wearing them the way some barbarians might tie their victims skulls/shrunken heads to their horse? Or are they wearing them in rememberance? as fallen friends? Or is it much more practical and clinical that their bones make good armour! along with the applied exoskeletal body armour stolen from various alien species or bred or 'engineered' specifically the way we make leather from cowhide...... i would say though that they seem going by the mural to be of more importance to them than that
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I think I know why they look the way they do I know you guys may or may not agree on this but look at the ancient Mesopotamian reliefs about their "gods". They essentially are the 'Eagle-men' from the old stories of ancient astronauts. To me it makes perfect sense instead of calling them elephant looking why not call them Bird looking instead. The only time we call them elephantine is when their O2 hoses are connected.

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Yes, I see where you would like to go with that reasoning and I, at least in part, can meet you at say: an empass with the fact that a lot of Pharoh efigies/ hiero-glyphs had the 'Eagle-Men' on them carved on many tombs and rock faces. [img]http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/296/60496474.jpg[/img] Im not sold, in reality, on Ancient Alien theory because there is a lot of talk but then a heck-of-a-lot of immature follow through with so-called 'science' that has so much subjective exaggeration put upon it with crazy reasoning, wild coinci-dence that the 'science', the real science they want to speak of gets lost and is merely tacked-on at the end as some sort of convinient after thought to give the Ancent Alien theory weight to be included within the 'respected' annals that would call themselves Science and they want a part of it. It's, in part compelling reading and viewing at times, interspersed with some interesting little annec- dotes but still very immature with no desciplin behind it. Made up of convinient convoluted pieces of stories that get intorwoven into the current consensus phenomenon of the time - in ours currently science, technology = Aliens. These make for great stories thus far but far more 'credible' evidence and reasoning will be needed to give it respectable weight. But, in its defence, that is starting to happen though.
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If they are going with this theme, then they need to show the 'Fish-men' of mythology as well. Like the Greek Telkines, and Sumerian/Babylonian Uanna characters. Whats very interesting is that when Carl Sagan who was an awesome physicist and astronomer said these 'fishmen' of ancient stories could actually be evidence in some way of paleo-contact. If you listen to the stories of this so called Uanna he never really is seen as mythology at all because the way he does or did things for mankind. He was seen as not only as "god" but mainly as a bringer of knowledge, mathematics, and sciences to us. His description is almost REAL not mythological especially when mankind says this is where we get our knowledge from. If we got it by ourselves then wouldn't it be logical no matter how you see it as something WE WOULD WANT TO BRAG ABOUT THROUGHOUT THE AGES. Maybe later on high priests started to use 'rhetoric' to control people by saying we owe them something? Just a thought.

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I am hoping that most of these immature theorists at least try to fit the story together instead of making snip-its of stuff hear and there. I now alot of people disagree about it but my job is to make damn sure that these theorists have somekind of direction. Out of all the researching out there I still find Z.Sitchin very grounded and at least he has an idea why and or how. Eric Von Daniken and Georgio Tsoukalous get way to wrapped up about certain aspects of mythology.

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I never listen to people like David Icke, Eric Von Daniken, Georgio and his famous hair, Lloyed Pye, and crazy alien obsessed people. I dont always agree with some of Z. Sitchins work but I do agree on the CORE OF THE STORY its origins. Language has a big part to play in ancient mysteries too, trying to figure out what they were talking about.

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I dont think everything is a metaphor like they try to make us think that it is but alot of it IS a metaphor for life and existence.

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maybe the the bird like thing was the sj being out down by engineers when they fell from grace and started a new civilization

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The orignial mural with the Engineer laying his hand on the birdman suggests to me that the Engineers created the alien birdman creature. It seems to be part of a creation myth. Also wasn't it orignially designed by HR Giger, as well as the second one of the spindly armed creature holding an egg to its face in sacrafice? Could someone post clear images of each showing the total image. Didn't someone here also say that the first image when it began to deteriorate turned into the second one? I am sorry I tried to read though these posts for the second time and missed that part. I also tried to find a copy of the Prometheus: The art of the film as I read somewhere else apparently that both of these images were presented there and like I said someone posted somewhere (else) apparently that the first mural when it deteriorates morphs into the second. Anyway some one who is knowledgeable of this please enlighten us!
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It was somewhere on www.prometheusforum.net that someone showed how the first mural of the Engineer with his hand on the head of the birdman morphed into the second one of the spindly armed bird man holding the alien egg to its face. I am looking for conformation here as I had a hard enough time seeing the mural in the movie let alone what it changed into. I thought it just deteriorated.
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yes i remember those comments but from watching again it does seem the images just deteriorate and that they are two separate frescos... i'll go get the art book pics which are clear and look like bronze castings compared to the grey cobwebby images in the actual headroom the initial thread post shows them mostly too
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yeh no they are up at the start i dont think theres any clearer images out there
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Thanks caenorhabhditis, I don't know that I agree with the interpretation of the symbolism as often when I read a strong mythical analogy it intuitively hits me in a way that brings forth a kind of moment of enlightenment regarding the subject. Joseph Campbell always struck me that way but then he was an expert in comparitive mythology and Jungian psycology. As an example read his thesis opus 'The Hero of a thousand faces", where he illuminates the connection between all truely methologically graounded motifs, and explains how the archetypes and symbols of all great myths are really variations of the same story, which he called the monomyth. His work is incredible and if you read it you will see what I mean. Its like a true reading of the symbols, archetypes and motifs leads to a golden moment of clarity and the above description of the bird man myth just doesn't connect the dots in the definitive way that Joseph Campbell did.
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IMO, it looks like the bio suit helmets are facehugger look a likes. The snout can be the tail of the hugger. The bio suits themselves look alienesque body wise. The main mural holloway looks at behind the green crystal shows an alien so perhaps the biosuit as a whole is representing their gods or biggest fear. I dont see aliens smart enough to create a race and control them. They are a very basic predator with two intentions and thats to kill and reproduce and they are very effecient if not the perfect killing machine. Nothing more! Another theory I have is that the Engineers created aliens and they became so impressed at how deadly these killers became they used them for eradication measures which perhaps back fired on Paradise and the rogue engineer was lucky enough to escape and hide out on LV223. My biggest mystery is why the skin on the LV223 engineers is so bio mechanoidish compared to those in the beggining waterfall scene. His mechanoid features are built right into his skin all the way to his head. Either he engineered it or he prevented a full infection.
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Its actually just a suit that integrates with the flesh and acts like a flight-suit that our pilots would wear. Trust me its not an infection like you think, its a bio-mechanoid pressure suit. No its not engineered its really just a technology derived outfit. I am not saying I know everything about the Engineers. Thats the only answer since it connects with the cryo-stasis pod.

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The Engineers bio-suit is not an Alien carcass or exoskeleton. All these aka astronaut suits are is that they are technological in nature. I believe the Alien creature gets its 'LOOK' from their technology not their DNA. The newish proto-alien doesnt need to develope an exoskeleton since its mostly human/engineer hybrid. Its probably only later an new kind emerge that are much more of a deadlier bio-mechanoid creature that gets their iconic image. In other words they either changed by evolution or by being a genetically engineered product.

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