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Rubirosa

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I just finished watching Alien and John Carpenters The Thing back to back. I have watched both films easily over one hundred times each. I consider them both my two top Sci-fi films of all time. After watching "The Thing" a thought came to mind. At the beginning of the film we see a space ship heading towards earth aimlessly as it crashes into the arctic. From what we now know the only occupant on the ship was the Thing itself. We all know what it is capable of doing to survive. It needs life forms to survive as it replicates all life forms it comes in contact with if necessary. Now the question I have always asked myself is who were the original occupants of the ship. I doubt very much that the Thing itself was the original operator of the ship. For one the ship was not designed in such a way that the Thing could operate the vessel. It could only operate the vessel if it took over the other alien life form and replicated it. I came to that conclusion because after watching the 2011 prequel to the Thing which is also called the Thing we were able to see the inside of the huge vessel when two of the protagonists of the film venture into the vessel. In my opinion the vessel it seems needs to be operated by a humanoid life form. We all know that the Thing itself does not have a solid original form. In my opinion it is more like a parasite/amoeba that fuses with other life forms and becomes one with it. Now what I am about to say may sound crazy to some or interesting to others. I myself have never been a fan of the AvP films. Not because I do not consider them canon to the original film, but because they were badly produced. In other words they do not have the visual quality that the Alien films have. I feel that the films are more original Sci-fi network material. So in speaking of both franchises (Alien/Predator) what if a third franchise could be added. At least in my imagination it already has been added. Imagine if the ship the Thing came to earth in was of Predator origin. What if the Thing was a biological weapon created by the Predator race much like the Xenomorphs who were created by the Engineers. At least that is what I think at this point in time. A biological weapon which was being held on the ship by the Predators for one reason or another. A weapon which got loose and began to attack the Predators which were on the ship. In the process of the attack after killing most of the crew it attacked the last remaining Predator who by chance was flying close to earth and lost control of the ship crashed landed in the arctic. The Thing after killing the whole crew off decides to leave the ship and finds refuge in the arctic cold and freezes. In doing this it guarantees its own survival until someone would by chance find it and then it would attack those that found it, and in the process continue its way of survival taking on other life forms. Does this sound crazy? Yes it does. But we are talking about Sci-fi here, were everything and anything is possible. Remember one thing I do not accept the AvP films as canon to Alien. But the film the Thing is such a great film that I feel that it deserves its due. Why not speculate about its origin of how it came to be. The ship was very advanced and had been embedded in the arctic ice for over 4 million years. Tell me what you guys think about my idea. I would love to read your opinions about what I wrote.
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I agree with you @Major Noob, imagine if Paradise had a creature that was just like the Thing. It would bring all of these franchises together. But only if it is done correctly and the right way.
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I have wondered about how the Thing could control the ship. It had to killed and replicated something, Predators, indeed why not, but i think they should have a whole new Alien who comes into contact with the thing, showing its origin. Itll be another prequel to the original.
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Thats a good idea also @DenzlTH. I have always asked myself who were the original inhabitants of that huge ship.
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Rubirosa, this is a great topic. Much like the SJ in Alien, I've turned over in my mind time and again the origin of that vehicle. It seemed to me the Thing had quite a few other species in its memory, and could mimic them at will. If so, it's home must be a hideous place. Maybe it's Paradise! I couldn't get into the prequel, sadly. I would have loved an extended intro that told that story, no subtitles, but I figure it's gotta be incredibly difficult ( and expensive ) to believably realize something so otherworldly. My money is on Paradise to pull this off. Hope springs eternal!
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I love this thread Rubirosa!! and I love the movie The Thing .. Its one of my most favorite movies....the 1984 John Carpenter especially ..there have been 3 in total... Your ideas are very interesting, connecting the biological weapon idea between movies is intriguing and I too have always wondered about the ship that crashed.... Ncc is an expert on space ships!.. I bet he has some really interesting things to say about it :) Ok you have me thinking now!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha I gonna have a think and look into what I can find and get back to you!! maybe some concept drawing of the spaceship : ) and a good look at the metamorphosis of the creature..to see if there are any hints at its Host in the ship.... because I too believe the spaceship belong to the host not the creature... I wonder if there was any black goo on board????? ;) also you reminded me that the ship has been in the ice for 4 million years...just for fun...Is there any time line ties into the other movies ?? [img]http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/the-thing-spaceship-1982.jpg[/img] [img]http://application.denofgeek.com/images/m/75spaceships/main/thing_saucer.jpg[/img]
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I found this interesting article that references the early scripts.... director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr. is being interviewed about his work on the prequel.... [b][i]How much thought did you put into The Thing's backstory? How did it get to Earth, why was it there, are there pages and pages of backstory that wasn't in the film?[/i][/b] [i]In an early script there was more stuff explaining it. The idea was, and I don't know if I should tell you this, the idea was that the creature in the ice is not the original form of the thing.[/i] [i]In my opinion it was always sort of a virus, it doesn't have an original form. So the creature they find in the ice it could have been a friendly creature that was then taken over by the thing. That backstory still holds, I think. We had, at some point, that they would go inside of the ship, in the beginning of the movie, and they would see that the ship was this big biolab and that they were specimen collectors that race, and it broke free and killed everyone in the ship. [/i] [i] So the spaceship was a science fiction version of the Norwegian base in John Carpenter's movie. But then it sort of f****d up the story. Because if you have 50 dead aliens in a spaceship why would you concentrate so much on the guy frozen in the ice? [/i] [i]So from a story point, that didn't work. It put too much emphases on the spaceship and not enough on the one creature in the ice. So we sort of abandoned that idea completely. Does that make sense? [url=http://io9.com/5849650/the-director-of-the-thing-reveals-the-aliens-secret-backstory]Read the Full Interview Here[/url] and here is the original script :) [url=http://sfy.ru/?script=thing_1982]THE THING 1982[/url] [b]Apparantly The Thing was based upon a short story [b]Who Goes There?[/b] and by the [b]HP Lovecraft's novella At the Mountains of Madness,[/b] in which an Antarctic reasearch team uncovers a cryogenically preserved Elder Thing, which thaws out and attacks them.[/b] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Goes_There%3F]Who Goes There wiki[/url] [url=http://www.outpost31.com/books/who.txt]Read Who Goes There[/url] [img]http://www.unwinnable.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Haines-Bok-Campbell-Who-Goes-There.jpg[/img] [img]http://cromeyellow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/ian_miller2_1-600x441.jpg[/img]
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Thank you for your comments @TANKGIRL. I love the film myself. It is not only a Science fiction/Horror film. It also has touches of comedic moments in it. There were about 12 characters on the military base. Most of the characters had there own specific personalities that were expressed very well by all the actors. You had the lead tough guy MacReady played by Kurt Russel. Also Blair who was played by Wilfred Brimley who was one of the Doctors/Scientists in the group and was a true professional who saw the true danger the Thing was capable of inflicting if it ever reached civilization. Also Garry who was played by Donald Moffat who was in charge of security, managed the base and looked like he could not wait to retire. Both Moffat and Brimley by that point in there acting careers had been performing on stage and screen for many years. They were both experienced veteran actors. Then you had Childs who was played by Keith David, who in the film personified the loose canon on the base, but in reality he was just trying to survive. He also brought a funny sarcastic touch to the film. But the true funny man in the film was David Clennon who played the part of Palmer, who was a true laid back pot head. You also had Nauls played by T.K Carter who spent most of his time roller skating up and down the corridors while listening to his music. You also had Windows who was played by Thomas G Waites who was in charge of communications on the base. All the actors did a fantastic job in the film. Even though there were 12 people on the base, every death made sense. What I mean is that not unlike other sci-fi/horror films were you have killings that make no sense at all. All of the deaths in the Thing ran concisely with the story line. In other words there was no extra baggage in the film. Even the death of the 2 Norwegians from the helicopter made justified. One of the best scenes in the film is when MacReady has most of the men tied to there chairs and is taking blood samples from each of them to find out who is the Thing. I never get tired watching that scene. When Palmer begins to jump up and down and begins to transform himself into the Thing. That scene is incredible because its funny, scary and macbre all at the same time. Its a true science fiction film classic.
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I have always viewed Carpenters The Thing as a pseudo prequel to the invasion of the body snatchers. Crazy it sounds I know but follow me for a sec... MacReady and Childs freeze to death (probably) as the remains of the Thing burn, in the smoke cells of the Thing are thrown up into the atmosphere and dispersed around the globe before dropping down with rain droplets and mist. These Thing cells interact with the plants and create the pods, from there on in you can fill in the rest... Plus of course they both deal with horror of losing ones identity and the paranoia of not knowing who you can trust...

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I just finished reading the article you put up @TANKGIRL. Its very interesting the stuff that they had in mind in the first place. The ship would be found to be a huge bio lab of some sort. That sounds very familiar to me if you know what I mean. The creature then gets loose and begins to attack its creators/captors. The story At the Mountains of Madness is my favorite HP Lovecraft story of all time. It really is the ultimate story which explains his whole Cthulhu mythos. The elder ones, or (things) are those space gods who came to earth hundreds of millions of years ago. After them legions of other horrific space gods or creatures followed through and battled for the planet. In the process they divided the planet up between them. You really have to read the story yourself @TANKGIRL because you will find out that films like Prometheous, Alien, and the Thing all lead back to the work of HP Lovecraft. Who by the way also was a huge influence on the art work of HR Geiger. In fact one of Giegers art books is called the Necronomicon. That word was first used in HP Lovecrafts story - The Hound. All of that fantastic work done on Alien by Geiger if you investigate are just like the creatures Lovecraft invented. That is one of the reasons I was not pleased by the appearance of humanoid beings representing the Space Jockey race. The original Space Jockey in Alien is so dark and unnatural to see. Even though it is mummified or fossilized in its chair it still looks menacing. It even has a grand presence to it, especially when you listen to the score that was used for that scene. I still get goose bumps watching that scene. But what I am trying to get at is that the Space Jockey should of been shown in Prometheous as it was displayed in Alien. In my opinion the Space Jockey race are huge elephantine creatures. Now that is the type of creatures Lovecraft wrote about in huis stories. The macbre, the forbidden, the horrific and the unknown.
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I loved that scene too Rubirosa : ) and the mix of characters was brilliant I especially liked MacReady... [blushes and twirls her ringlet] [img]http://deathensemble.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/With-the-coolest-beard-in-all-of-horror-as-MacReady.jpg[/img]
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Yea.. Its so strange that I somehow missed HP Lovecraft??... because I have the most massive collection of scifi books and Im a voracious reader In fact I have so many books that many are in boxes in the attic! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha But I understand how fundamental Lovecraft was to all science fiction .... In fact.. I think I might buy a collection of his to read these christmas holidays! : ) and Im with you about the Space Jockeys! when I saw that scene..the music...the choreography..the creature..... breathtaking!
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Thats brilliant Snorkelbottom! : )
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Sounds good @Snorkelbottom.
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[img]http://new.assets.thequietus.com/images/articles/10415/The-Thing-Kurt-Russell_1350611835_crop_550x403.jpg[/img] A very macabre setting.
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well its an interesting thought, but to me the more interesting thought is why they used that ship in the final film lol seriously, it looks cool when its in the ice but that opening shot is my least favorite part of the film, its just so silly looking compared to the grittiness of the rest of the film, sorry lol that's just always got on my nerves. well anyway what would happen if the black goo infected "the thing"? what would that look like?
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What do you get if you cross Alien with The Thing, one possible answer is Leviathan (staring Peter Weller). It is certainly not the greatest film ever made, but I like the concept that a ship is scuppered to hide the the evidence of mutational experiments. Since Leviathan was made after Alien, was this background based on the ship on LV 426, only placed in a more earthbound context. From what I have seen from all the Predator films, I am left with the feeling that humans are used as a blood sport, but with the intention of training for a confrontation with something far bigger and nastier. The AVP franchise is something of a sideshow in relation to this, ( to me anyhow) particularly after watching Predators which points to more than one type of predator. I find Prometheus has raised the question as to whether or not the mutationss are deliberate or accidental. What I mean by this, is that yes, the engineers had set up some form of possible military research base and something went wrong. Is it though a result of something they discovered (somewhere in another part of their universe) or something they manufactured ( based exclusively on their technology) So could the end result be a bit like The Thing. Something gets dumped in the middle of nowhere with the hope that it will not be tampered with. The fun starts when someone, or something decides to investigate.

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Now I can imagine the Thing mimicking the biology of an Engineer to travel through space in the Juggernaunt ... a very interesting topic btw ... especially to create fanfiction.
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These Science Fiction ideas are based upon things that are happening here in earth today... There are living Things that use others as hosts and then totally control them through genetics, turning the host into a zombie Anelosimus octavius, is a spider that becomes a host for a parasitic wasp To manipulate the spiders, the wasp must have genes that produce proteins that alter spider behavior Other parasites manipulate their hosts by altering the neurotransmitters in their brains. This kind of psychopharmacology is how thorny-headed worms send their hosts to their doom [img]http://www.vintage-views.com/MeyersKonversations/Vol17/wood/images/0527839k6-Wurmer1.jpg[/img] Simple viruses can do this at the cellular level Outside of a living cell, a virus is a dormant particle; but within an appropriate host cell, it becomes an active entity capable of subverting the cell's metabolic machinery for the production of new virus particles [img]http://www2.raritanval.edu/departments/Science/full-time/Weber/Microbiology%20Majors/SoftChalkeCoursesubmission/chapter13sub/figure_13_05a_labeled.jpg[/img]
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