Space Jockey ruler or leader

Alternatively the morphed Holloway sperm simply implants itself in Shaw and now has her traits in a dormant form, like she did. Not sure how it works, either way in my theory the Deacon is more male than female. I know it doesn't look like it that much, but with the Hammerpede it looks more male than female... "You really think that things a she?". Like the Engineers, almost all male, while containing the female side in a repressed form. The King alien the Deacons produce is much bigger than the Queen alien. Because "big things have small beginnings". King Alien and the Deacons allow Ridley to go back and explore the morphing cycle, use the Alien in ways never seen before on film as well as rewrite the King alien idea; while eventually connecting it to the Queen alien and Queen Jockeys. The deacon is a servant of the King, & the Alien god/goddess. But it produces the king first, something that normally is never allowed to occur unless a morphing cycle has been fully initiated like the Alien in the original's deleted scenes was starting. It was relying on the male side of its genetics, something we haven't seen since that deleted scene because the female side normally has dominance in the Alien species.. but they contain both sexes, and drones. The Queen suppresses the growth of males when she's born and turns drones into warriors, her servants. An unseen part of the Alien life-cycle revealed along with the as of yet unseen side of the Engineer genetics. The other unseen, extra variable, Yutani enters at a point early in Paradise. The other rulers of the Earth. The goddess aspect of religion/spirituality are the repressed aspects of religion/spirituality/mythology. The importance of females in the the myths diminishes over time. We've been following multiple dangerous paths that the Engineers have walked in the past. They can't procreate naturally anymore because they've lost their female side, the true creators of life. Although mother nature can be a bitch when she's been been repressed by the Engineers for billions of years. They stole all their technology from the original bio-mechanical masters, the female Engineers. They moved further and further away from them after a billion year long gender war and learning to re-create themselves with the stolen technology. The light angels at the beginning turn dark. And the originally darker elders become light. They truly have learned the error of their ways when we meet them in Paradise, and fill us in on just the stuff between the them and the Engineers at that point. The females/bigger more mysterious bio-mechanical Engineers are the true creators of everything below them, but were working with the old form of the Alien before the male uprising when they stole that tech and miniaturized it too. The female Jockies and Alien kings bring an actual gender equality theme into the mix, and slightly alters the way Shaw and Vickers' struggle against the king/male only programming in Prometheus is viewed. Vickers statement about kings becomes prophetic, the King can only rule for so long before the Queen's turn. For the alien species that's the true order of things. Things were balanced at one point for the Engineers but the Elders screwed it up. Weyland didn't want Vickers to lead. Instead he wished he had a real son to pass the company on to, but David was the closest thing he had. And he would rather risk his life trying to live forever than let Vickers have control of the company...

Where did you get this information? Im not saying that you are incorrect or anything its just that you lost me slightly on the "Like the Engineers, almost all male, while containing the female side in a repressed form". Are you saying they are hermaphrodite then I still dont understand? This is how I understand this, they do have genders but the females are bigger right? Also, all the engineers are guys or am I getting it incorrect? Help a brotha out here..... Maybe they dont have nipples because they are an alien race that was point after all. They are us and we are them sort of. I have heard from a number of web sites that they are a third gender race basically, male and female make the child and a third carries it to term. I think you missed my point of what I was trying to convey. -I meant POLITICAL like we have in Washington DC even though they really to pay their fair share.

Maybe there are warriors and kings instead of warriors and queens, and these engineers are drones... But it seems inevitable that if there's a sex differentiation and hierarchy than there's a Queen somewhere in there. Or there could have been at one point. In human species the males are larger on average, especially in the past because we have slight sexual dimorphism in our species... a difference in the size between males and females. In the past the difference was greater. What I'm saying is there could be some sexual/gender elements to it. the Engineers lack nipples and have almost genetically repressed the female/sex neutral organs that start out undefined (including the indifferent gonad as it develops, which they lack). To be a genetic match they still have to carry the x chromosome, to pass it along to us. Our females and males are more balanced in size because of the introduction of our elements and gravity. Their females are much larger. Underneath that suit the original Jockey may be just be a pilot who was caught in a unfortunate situation like Ripley. When the original Elders and King Engineers rebelled they subjugated the larger females by fusing them to their technology permanently. What if there's a massive difference in the size between Queens and Kings in the Engineer species, and the original Jockey is actually a she. It's not that they're separate species, but separate sexes and their species used to operate a lot differently. Basically as the Engineers broke away from the females under the elders direction they de-evolved into us through their only method of reproduction once they rebelled against their Queens, creators, and mothers, as well as their somewhat fathers the Elders. "Doesn't everyone want to see their parents dead". Parents, plural. When the creature burst out of her it was already carrying the egg laying trait... Shaw didn't pass this along because she was infertile... and the genetics never originally had it for shaw. it did if the She Jockey was infected after carrying the eggs as cargo in the first place and not the other way around. Shaw's infertile egg was only morphed by Holloway's form of the alien genetics... it morphs his sperm, and morphs shaw's egg, reanimating it... This is a much deadlier form of the fire, and bursting through the Engineer at the end could mean it has repressed the female side of the Alien genetics. We may see a King Alien... But a king has reign and then he dies... it's inevitable, even if this King is near-immortal like David, or can reanimate dead cells.

@ Mala'kak Shaw identifies that the DNA of humans and Engineers are compatible. Does this mean the DNA is identical in every way or was Shaw sampling a particular DNA strand. Was the "head" from a Space Jockey? If so, does that mean the Space Jockey's DNA is identical to our DNA. If the DNA is identical then what you are saying Mala'kak makes perfect sense in regard to the Engineer's physiology and anatomy. As to the Engineer's social order we are yet to learn that. However, there is no harm in speculating. @ Anunnaki50 As fans we have a right to question and speculate. We also have a right to dream up our own ideas and expand on the universes that movie makers create. This is why forums such as this are so awesome... :)

The sequencer announces that there is a "DNA match". Shaw goes on to say "It's us. It's [i]everything[/i]". The DNA sample taken from the Engineer has features that are shared by [i]everything[/i] that is alive on Earth. That's not to say that it's identical to human DNA. Indeed, quite the opposite. Shaw was a little presumptuous when she said "Let's have a look at its DNA" because, at that time, she didn't know that the Engineers had any DNA at all. Unless, of course, she was using the word in a figurative sense.

Could human DNA be useful after 2000 years?

Yes, it could. Human DNA has been sequenced in samples older than 7500 years. However, the question is fairly irrelevant here, since the Engineer DNA sample was taken from a head that was in "a remarkable state of preservation". One may suppose that since the head was neither degraded nor dessicated, the DNA would have been preserved in stasis, too.

@ zzplural - thank you for explaining the DNA Shaw was examining. When you said "she didn't know that the Engineers had any DNA at all," are you saying that Shaw had considered that the Engineers could be inorganic, thus making them synthetic creations?

But wasn't the Engineer infected? thus his head blowing up. Maybe our connection through the DNA is the black goo. If the Engineer hadnt got infected, would it still be 100% match?

@Albert What I'm saying is that life can take many forms, and you don't necessarily need DNA to build an alien organism. All known life on Earth is based on four basic chemicals that are grouped together to form the DNA molecule, but it is presumptuous to think that an unknown alien species would be built according to the same blueprint. So, until she looked, Shaw didn't really know that the Engineer had any DNA whatsoever, let alone that it contained the kind of genes that we find on Earth. @Denzel Nowhere in the movie does it ever say that there is a 100% match. Given that the Engineers made us, and a match with their DNA was found, the simplest explanation seems to be that we share similar genes, regardless of what the black goo can do.

Lets try to find out why and if they created the human race before getting into political discussions about the race itself. One thing at a time people.

I really hope that the sequel doesn't get dumbed down to the point where we can make analogies with things like "kings" or "politics" in the Engineer race. I want to see weird alien stuff that is outside of my comfort zone. I want to see things that I don't comprehend, things that are way out and completely unfathomable. Like the waterfall scene, where we see stuff that has never been seen on Earth before, and fits into an alien culture, not our own. If we get to the point where we can say "ooh, yeah, I understand why that Engineer has drawn that" or "hey, he's the boss", we'd just be seeing a cowboys & indians movie set in space. Dull. Dull. Dull. I'll tell you something: if a movie were ever made of the [i]actual[/i] aliens that are doing their thing in the cosmos, your mind would be blown apart. You wouldn't have a clue what was going on.

I dont think there will be any Engineers left, but there will be some other alien that is not understandable. Ive heard something about scientists finding "God particle , the thing that makes anything possible. It could be something like that in the sequel.

Reality will always be more amazing and mind boggling then fiction @zzplural. I myself do not want to know what is out there.

i can imagine a red carpet in the king sj's juggernaut :D

I hope that the next episode is dunbed down enough for humans to understnd what is going on. It shouldn't take 3 episodes and an I.Q. of 350 like David's have a good movie experience.

"..Vickers statement about kings becomes prophetic, the King can only rule for so long before the Queen's turn..." That sort implies there is some sort of system or order in the transition of power, real power. What about the David factor. He is still in the power mix and sort ot transends what we are used to in the power transition. Also, and this for the married members, the women always has the real power.

"..Vickers statement about kings becomes prophetic, the King can only rule for so long before the Queen's turn..." That sort implies there is some sort of system or order in the transition of power, real power. What about the David factor. He is still in the power mix and sort ot transends what we are used to in the power transition. Also, and this for the married members, the women always have the real power.

I found this interesting image concept of the space jockey.... [img]http://dougbot.com/forum/JockeySize.jpg[/img]

lols. Look how short we are in comparison.. That is really cool....

[img]http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/mashup-comic-prometheus-sesame-street-space-jockey-Aloysius-Snuffleupagus-by-Tokyo-Sexwhale.jpg[/img]

Anunnaki50, They did cover the "king/queen/political/religious etc" aspects in the room with the big head. It had jars lined up like soldiers or offerings. There was a zenomorph mural in the form of a cross. There is much in this movie that is more than meets the eye and deserves to be discovered. Watch it again.

The first picture is a great dipection of the Space Jockey @TANKGIRL. That is how it should look. The back hump is a plus and makes it seem more bizarre.

[i]Nowhere in the movie does it ever say that there is a 100% match. Given that the Engineers made us, and a match with their DNA was found, the simplest explanation seems to be that we share similar genes, regardless of what the black goo can do.[/i] So what's a match then? 60%? The 100% is not necessary - a match is a match is a match, which means the SJs fall into the parameters that make them genetically homo sapiens (or that individual did at least). If the universe is finite, then that DNA can only come from one place - Earth. Which means the the simplest explanation is that the SJs came from ... There is absolutely no evidence in the movie that the Engineers made us. Where do you get that from? Shaw running around screaming it every five minutes is not evidence. [i]I want to see things that I don't comprehend, things that are way out and completely unfathomable.[/i] You got that in this [i]Prometheus[/i]. You just haven't comprehended it yet.