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the original origins story of the Derelict on LV-426

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King

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this was the origin story of the jockey and how he landed on LV-426, this is the story that Dan O'Bannon had for the jockeys and it was told by Ron Cobb based On what Dan O'Bannon had told him. "Thousands of years ago, the jockey’s race had hoped to settle on the Alien’s barren world. Like most advanced civilizations, they had long ago outgrown their native world. A large, fit breed, they planned to use their sophisticated science to do what they had done on countless other planets: alter its environment to make it habitable. First, the colonists made certain that they would not be destroying any native life-forms with their atmospheric manipulation; unfortunately, since the Alien eggs were dormant, two sensors of the benign giants indicated no signs of life. A ship landed, its crew hopeful that the job could be swiftly accomplished. They began their work and, after screaming into their radios, were never heard from again. A second team suffered a similar fate, so the third landing was made by the jockey, at the controls of an armed vessel. With one finger on the trigger of the cannon, the pilot warrior looked for the creatures which were presumed to have slain the previous parties. There was nothing to be seen. No remains of the jockey’s fellow being, or their attackers. Stepping onto the planet’s rocky surface, the jockey did some exploring and, like those before him, discovered the Alien eggs. Thinking them to be harmless in their unhatched state, and possibly damaged by the environmental changes begun by his predecessors, the newcomer loaded them into the ship’s hold, to bring them home for protection and study. The parents of these creatures must have perished protecting their unborn children against what they thought was an “invasion.” Surely they could not be blamed for that! Suddenly, about to leave the hold, the jockey was assaulted by a Face Hugger and, unable to see, stumbled to the bridge of the ship, to surroundings which were familiar and could be navigated by touch alone. When the Face Hugger’s task had been completed, the Alien seed implanted in a host, the chitinous carrier died and fell away. The unsuspecting victim recovered quickly and broadcasted the story home. Then, the jockey felt the first painful movements of the throbbing Chestburster. Movements before the Alien sprung from within its torso, the giant being programmed the ship to beam a warning, twice each minute, to any ship which might approach the planetoid: STAY AWAY! " i think this is by far (for me at least) the most accurate and best description/origin story for the Space Jockey in alien.

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@BigDave: It's really great to learn these things about the first movie! I wonder if the temple can be visited in another alien sequel someday?
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Well the original idea was that the Space Jockeys came across a Temple on LV 426 and after they explored this temple they got infected by Octopus Face Hugers. The Eggs was inside the Temple/Pyramid and the Ship was separate with a dead pilot. Budget restraints made Ridley combine the Egg Chamber and the Derelict in one, as they never had the budget to create a Pyramid etc. This is where the Eggs was then stored within a Cargo Hold on the Derelict. So the Original Draft and Story had the Space Jockeys come across the Eggs and maybe thus nothing to do with the creation of them. The idea for the Space Jockey was huge far larger than 15ft... but the Prop was about 15ft tall and after the illusion of using child actors never worked, they then decided this race was 15ft tall. The Prometheus Drafts by both Spaights and Lindeloff both had the Engineers as a race of 12-15ft tall Humanoids.... The early concept work seemed to show them as being about 12ft aswell. But once Ridley drafted in the Actor to play the Last Engineer because he knew that it would be hard to pull off the illusion of a 12-15ft race with out using CGI or Computer Aided Trickery.... The idea was then to lower the height of the Engineers to be a race of 9ft tall beings.... But again the illusion did not pay off and we could all see that the Engineer stood only about 7.5ft tall... Ultimately Ridley should have employed the camera trickery like that was used in Lord of the Rings and the Hobit for the Hobbits to make them appear smaller, to make the Engineers appear taller.

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This is ... breath taking :O Sure this is real?

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yes, its from the original writer of Alien Dan O'Bannon :)

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it is good but i can see why ridley changed it these jockeys were harmless and not complex or terrifying there wouldnt have been anywere for the story to go other than humans meeting jockeys and going "oh hi nice trunk, see youve had trouble too with these egg laying face *****ng monsters lets compare notes" alien shoot em up buddy movie..... nah
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Great read, makes a nice (alternate) back story! If it is indeed Mr O'Bannon's original vision, of how the original Space Jockey ended up on LV-426.
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very interesting....AND, only several nuances make it incompatible with prometheus. The essence of the above story could still be somewhat relevant in the context of prometheus. We just dont know for sure...
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@King: Thanks for this post. I like it better even than the story they went with in the end.
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Thanks for the post. An interesting take on the history of the SJ. There's a million ways an accident like that could have happened, but this explanation is slightly corny. They are some pretty useless eggs if they conveniently hang around until some dumb SJ has made a football field out of them. I much prefer what we ended up with: evil bastards bitten hard by their own misdeeds.
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interesting, but not a 'real narrative driver' as such; more of a 'raison d'etre' than a plotline, ya know? I still like the idea that the elephantine Space Trucker race was WELDED INTO HIS SEAT (did O'Bannon suggest it was a Gunner Turret? Wow!) like a giant Hermit Crabs from Space, from birth or maybe part of some 'mating ritual' to interstellar adolescence. I didn't see the USE for a 'basketballer humanoid' with absolutely no compassion or any of the things you'd demand a human actor for. And he wasn't an 'actor', just a tall guy. If they were going to strip him to his bare tallness, they should have strobe-muted him like they did the original Alien xenomorph. Anyway, a snack-ette more than a substantial alternative meal.
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Good explanation...Ive been trying to find out what the original SJs original story was, thankyou. What would the parents of these eggs be? Xeno or new species
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@Custodian!!!!! "I didn't see the USE for a 'basketballer humanoid' with absolutely no compassion or any of the things you'd demand a human actor for. And he wasn't an 'actor', just a tall guy" there are so many things i would like to lob at you for that comment! including some of my worst and most imaginative swearing.... but the idiocy of a stranger isnt worth raising my bloodpressure over
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Steady, now. Custodian isn't an idiot; he's just a bit gripey about Prometheus, as ever. The best gripe mixture is going to be its sequel.
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I'm calm now zzplural promise!, i just take exception to derogatory comments about the glorious Mr Whyte.... i assume that is who Custodian refers too when they say "basketball humanoid" who is moving into more involved roles now actuuuuaarrrrly Custodian!
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Custodian raises an interesting point about the depiction of the Engineers. From the beginning of the storyline they were much taller, more filled out than humans. As we know that weapons make for great equalizers in protecting or taking of lives as far as the size of the weapon holder. In this movie we have not seen any personal protection displayed by the Lst Engineers or even in the holograms. Can their thinking be that were so superior mentally and physically that no weapons would be needed in any part of the Universe? Perhaps it more of they used weapons in past,,but that past wes so distant that the memories are bit foggy. I guess if the Engineers were 3 foot tall; would that have affected the storyline?
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"I still like the idea that the elephantine Space Trucker race was WELDED INTO HIS SEAT" - Custodian You know, I would've liked to see some more of this as well. If you had a chance to read Spaihts original script he had left the Engineer more obviously fused to his cryo/stasis chamber. Considering that they used some CGI for the pilots chair when he hooked up to that; then why not use a little more for the cryo/stasis scene. It certainly wouldn't have hurt to give the film some more visual cues connecting it to the original film and showcasing the biomechanical tech of the Jockeys at the same time.
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I still find that very strange about the SJ in Alien, its moves on pretty quickly from them that you almost forget. Its like George Lucas starting Star Wars off at episode 4 lol. First time i saw the SJ i thought he was just a average alien, shooting through space that got into something deep. Did RS always have an idea of what and who they are??
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@Visionary Alpha Here is the original draft from Dan O'Bannon that Alien was based on. [url=http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/alien_early.html]Star Beast[/url] You will find a number of things that this script as in common with Prometheus. 1) There is a Temple Complex. 2) The Temple had Murals inside it. 3) This contains Leathery Urns... not Eggs. 4) The Face Hugers that come from these Urns are pretty much just like Shaws Baby as it was cut out of her in the Med Pod Scene. 5) The Chest Buster is very similar to the Hammerpede in Prometheus. You will notice many things with just as much in common with Prometheus as you would with Alien

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@DenzelTH Well the draft that Alien was based off, had the Space Jockey indeed as a fossil and not a Space Suit and it was a giant Alien creature that bared little resemblance to a Human. This Space Jockey was just a helpless victim just as the cast of Alien was, the Space Jockey must have detected the Pyramid and took one of the Urns back to the Ship but got infected, and he then set off a SOS to Warn other not to land on that planet. Not much back ground on the Space Jockey was given, just as in Alien he was a Enigma. More was given to the description of the Temple, which had Murals and Hieroglyphs that seemed to be laid out in some kind of religious fashion and kind of described History of some kind. Their was some artwork that went with the Draft and the Mural of the Creature was much like Shaws Baby Trilobyte all grown up as it appeared in the scene where it attacked the Last Engineer. After Alien was made, the idea that Ridley had was that he was just some long dead Pilot of the Derelict who was carrying a Cargo of Alien Eggs. There was no real back ground or purpose. Only that he had the Cargo, but not why or where from or where he was going to and these questions was what Prometheus was originally going to answer when Spaights was drafted in to start on a Script.

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