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MemberOvomorphSeptember 17, 2012Of course someone can say: what a stupid and irrelevant question. They do that to breathe in hostile environment. Really?
After Juggernaut crashes onto the planet David warns Shaw that the Engineer has survived the crash. The Engineer forces open the lifeboat's airlock and attacks Shaw. Fine, but how did he get into the lifeboat without air? He doesn't have any air mask when he enters the lifeboat's interior. Does it mean that Engineers do not need air to breathe? If yes, why they create the atmosphere? Or maybe just a mistake in the scenario?
September 17, 2012
Hes more than likley a biological superman - most likely holds breath for ages or can survive longer in that atmosphere - some parts of the film clearly have problems this for me wasnt one of them...
"It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D
September 17, 2012
I noticed that too, I have to just put all reason aside and assume they can breathe the atmosphere on the planet even though they created and Earth-like one in their ships and were wearing helmets when they ran around in the hologram scene... Allthough I think they expected Humans to visit sooner or later as depicted by the cave paintings Shaw and Holloway discovered and possibly made the atmosphere breathable in the silos for them. Dunno.
Wat
September 17, 2012
I don't see this part of a movie as a huge problem. As a fan I was just wondering about this issue. Perhaps Engineers can survive longer without air. Who knows?
September 17, 2012
@Svanya
"(..) and were wearing helmets when they ran around in the hologram scene..."
That is another "mystery" for me. They wore helmets while running through the corridors but didn't wear them inside the control room.
September 17, 2012
I took the helmets on in the hologram scene as being to protect against the black goo but didn't seem to help one of them :P !
"It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D
September 17, 2012
I think what happens is, the engineer was wearing the mask when he was walking from the juggernaut to the lifeboat. His suit detects breathable air in the lifeboat, so he takes the mask off and enters the room ready to kill whoever is inside.
Most likely a better field of vision when you take the mask off
September 17, 2012
I noticed that when the Prometheus first enters LV 223s atmosphere, they take a reading of the air and Holloway says something like "not much different to back home" then the Scottish woman says something about the Co2 levels and that we wouldn't last 2 minutes. The life boat wouldn't of been 2 minutes away from an angry engineer. Also, he has bigger lungs (i assume) and obviously genetically superior.
The poster was good though!
September 17, 2012
@necronom 4; Then why did they take the time to create an Earth-like atmosphere in the building/ship? (Unless they built it for the humans they expected to visit sooner or later as depicted by the cave paintings Shaw and Holloway discovered.)
@keep-itreal; I thought of that too, but there wasn't enough time from when he entered the lifeboat to when he attacks Shaw for him to have removed a helmet, also you don't see a huge Engineer helmet on the ground or on a table or anywhere a person would place a helmet.
Wat
September 17, 2012
@Svanya. I'm not saying that he could stay outside for a long period of time, Just enough time to get to the lifeboat. Maybe they created the earth like atmosphere in the temple because they had to live and work in there? *smiley*
The poster was good though!
September 17, 2012
@necronom 4; Ok, BUT how could he know what atmosphere was on the lifeboat if any? Why risk not wearing a helmet?
Wat
September 17, 2012
@Svanya. I thought the temple and the ship were in two different locations. One of the temples corridors leads to the juggernaut but that corridor isn't encountered until the last 30 mins of the film when David comes across it. The ampule chamber is in the temple, not in the juggernaut.
The poster was good though!
September 17, 2012
Sorry our wires got crossed there. I assume that he was so angry that he just went for it. I think that's the only explination for it.
The poster was good though!
September 17, 2012
There's probably quite a bit those brutes can survive that would kill us right off. And Shaw is human, right? So the life boat would be no problem. How he found it, how far he ran, who knows? He's an Engineer. And that one seemed to have a bio mech assist.
I saw here a piece of production art, a cross section of the dome, it's a terraforming device with a huge cistern at the bottom, that's what those holes led to. Someone suggested recently that they were maybe even prepping LV223 for the eventual arrival of Earth people. Great thread N4.
September 17, 2012
I hope nobody else has posted this answer as I feel it explains it perfectly and rather obviously.
In the film Ford says that it would take 2 minutes breathing without a suit on the planet to kill a human. The Engineer's are obviously supierior to humans in every way. I'm sure he was fast enough and had the lung capacity to get from the crash jugg to the life boat without dying.
***EDIT***Damn, necro, you beat me to it lol! I agree 100%.
And the Engineer would know that the lifeboat had oxygen because it was a human ship. Why would he assume humans would build a ship with air they couldn't breath.
But I do think the theory that the Engineers terraformed inside the pyramid because they were expecting/inviting humans there is interesting.
I had something else "important" to state but it slipped my noggin.
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September 20, 2012
Engineering,
was it that, "Exhaled human CO2 made the sculptural murals DISSOLVE?"
but not the Alien mural?
Discuss.
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September 20, 2012
Well its a plot hole unless this explanation is good enough...
He can hold his breath long .... lol
Nope if indeed the Engineers can survive for longer in the hostile air outside the temple complex...
This would then ask why does the Temple and Jugernaught have Oxygen that the crew can breath and also why is it much cleaner in the Temple than on Earth yet Toxic outside?
Maybe the Engineers can tolerate mild differences in the atmosphere and so could tolerate for short periods or even longer the atmosphere of LV 223, this does not mean say they could survive in a baron place like say our Moon.
This then brings the purpose of the Space Jockey Suit, why need them if the Temple and Juggernaut have Oxygen etc? Unless these suits mainly function as a Bio Hazard Suit that can reduce/stop contamination with the Xeno/Urn Bio Weapon.
Thing about it in Alien the Eggs had that Blue Mist Barrier and they was only activated once this was broken, and Prometheus maybe the breathing made by the crew effected the Urns.
Yes the suits would act like the Prometheus Crews in that it would allow them to breath in hostile environments but then why the Last Engineer needed one to Pilot the Ship and not when he went across to the Lifeboat.
Again maybe he can survive for short periods..., maybe when the Juggernauts leave the planet they can not sustain endless supplies of Oxygen and they need the Suits for when they are in Space.
Maybe the running Engineers suited up because they was attempting to exit the Temple Complex, and maybe go to the other Juggernauts to escape..
Who knows...
I guess thats off topic as i covered why they need the suits...
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September 20, 2012
So maybe on to why it had Oxygen?
Well it seemed like they was doing some kind of Tera-Forming inside the complex but why?
Could the process they was using in the temple eventually be used to make the entire Planetoid habitable?
This brings us back to the invitation and why the Statue of the Head and why was the movie going to be Paradise?
Maybe just maybe this was being set up as a base from where they can monitor mankind and maybe where eventually we can join them on LV 223 hence the Tera-Forming.
But after we had disobeyed and upset the Engineers and they decided to wipe us out they then changed this outpost from a watch post to monitor and maybe invite us, to a facility to then create a weapon to destroy us with.
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September 21, 2012
when they find the air is like earth in the "cave" someone on the prometheus says that the planet may can be terraformed... what if Weyland was there before the movie??
September 21, 2012
Yep, i noticed.
And how she walks out from the ship with 30 secs of air when she was in.
So stupid gliches.
They could fix it by showing the engineer an air mask or something and she changing an air bottle for a sec.
September 21, 2012
To all
There is evidence of a village on lv 223. Is it possible that that this planet was once a seeded world that was xenomorped ? Would black goo kill the plant life that may have been there and this explain the high co2 levels as there is no plants ?
Very vague theory of mine - sorta doubt it ! Did the worms come with the juggs - or maybe they are indigenous to the planet - but how surviving goo ?
Noo goo 35 000 years ago !
Ah sorry !! Forget it - theory crap again .......