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Crabfart
MemberOvomorphJuly 06, 2012Sooo it looks like the engineer was going to turn into a reptile with plants all around it! [img]http://vyle-art.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/STORYB_sc_prologue_B_pg11_v03.jpg[/img] I guess this clears up a few questions on the start part but it makes the film look worse :( . I can see why they cut that out! What about all the fossils / life forms we carbon dated before this reptile etc. etc. it would also mean they came to earth 100's of millions of years ago (if the process was the same on earth?) . Hmmm its starting to look like ridley didnt really care about the specifics - as in he didnt have an exact story in his head and only showed us some of it. Its looking more like - oh something happened back then it could be lots of things blah blah...not good!
Edit: there was one more shot after and its like a salamanda :
[img]http://vyle-art.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/salamndo.jpg[/img]
July 09, 2012
:O I am shocked Snorkel - you too! - so do you think that sequence was time lapsed in the film then?! Because its part of the same sequence in the story boards :OOOO ! Even if it were why would it stop at salamanda and why are the plants not changing throughout the scene LOL ! Eeeek! There is no indication of time passing anything other than real time!
Also I am pretty sure there was moss on the bank behind the engineer when he holds his hand up in the film - and theres him breathing the air - but I know he might be able to breath toxic air - but seems unlikely. Plus there was moss in the deleted scenes so this scene is deffo after life started :
[img]http://www.thetokyoblonde.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/elder_engineers_prometheus2.jpg[/img]
1+1 anyone?
July 09, 2012
And even if it were time laps it still begs the question why have they barely changed in billions of years - kinda weird...yes I know you will say because they are clones (maybe of one god like leader) and maybe we are needed for diversity etc. etc. but it still seems unlikely. I suppose again I will have to wait for more info...
July 09, 2012
@Crabfart
Quite unsurprisingly, you seem to have missed the point - I actually hope, now, that this is deliberate.
I have a view that what is important about assumptions, is whether, or not, they are soundly supported.
I am concerned that you continue to maintain what seems a very, very peculiar fixation on a Salamander?.......This is your pleasure, but that does not, necessarily, mean that the Salamander is anything to do with anything?
The Salamander was [i]not,[/i] "part of the sequence".
This Storyboard image of your Salamander may well relate to the design of a sequence that did end up in the film - but your Salamander was [i]not[/i] in that film.
What's important is why.
The reason for an omission of that kind is not always some kind of Easter Egg that adds to the story.
The reason for an omission of that kind is sometimes because it confuses the story.
Whether your Salamander was, at one time, related to the design of that sequence is immaterial. The message we are given to understand it was the actual premise, purpose and intention of that sequence to communicate, is that, "Engineer lie at the root of Life" - not, necessarily, that, "Engineers devolve into Salamanders"?
With that - if you are able to acknowledge and accept that premise, purpose and intention - it seems, to me, that it starts to become clear why your Salamander would not have been used: it has potential to confuse the interpretation of the sequence as an oversimplified, "Engineers devolve into Salamanders" - as opposed to a slightly more significant and important, "Engineers are at the root of Life" - which was the actual premise, purpose and intention of that scene, and, as a result, confuse the story.
That aside, evolution does [i]not,[/i] "speed up with intelligence"?
I'm sorry to have to tell you that this could well be nonsense.
July 09, 2012
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N7UjAsBe90&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N7UjAsBe90&feature=related[/url]
/done
July 09, 2012
:O did you read my post? Obviously its all way above your head! You seemed to have missed allot of it!
Ill skip past the nonsense to the part you say: "That aside, evolution does not, "speed up with intelligence"?
I'm sorry to have to tell you that this could well be nonsense."
Ill make it simple for you:
Which one is faster:
single celled organism to multi cell : 1500 million years.
Humans altering the DNA of a baby thus making a evolutionary change - well you can guess it might just be a bit faster - just maybe.
July 09, 2012
@Crabfart
I must say, you do seem a quite unusual type of character?...
Thank you for your attempt to simplify everything: very thoughtful.
The only thing of it is, this business of, "Humans altering the DNA of a baby thus making a evolutionary change"?
Well, that may well be, "faster" - but it would be nothing, [i]at all,[/i] to do with, "Evolution"?
That would be to do with, "Genetic Engineering" - and would actually be something of the antithesis to, "Evolution"?..
I just do not know what to say to you.
If you must insist that, in your mind, Engineers turn directly into Salamanders, I suppose, so be it...
I wish you every happiness in this belief.
July 09, 2012
I think I am getting the picture - English not your first language maybe? Leap frog thinking not in your arsenal?
And I cant be bothered to explain it even more simply for you sorry...read the posts again if your lost and try thinking...
July 09, 2012
The storyboards are an attempt to visualize, in a time lapse photography style, the process of the evolution of life instigates by the Engineers sacrifice, culminating in the depiction of an "amphibian" evolving from a lung/lobefish and stepping out land.
The reasons the plants in the storyboard don't change is because its a storyboard. The reason there is moss in the background of the shots taken with the Engineers is because there was present on location when they shot and rather than attempt to delete it digitally (which would be expensive), they left it there because they deleted the footage and thus there was no need and so over analyzing fans would nit-pick over it.
July 09, 2012
Hmmm ok I can see Im not getting through maybe one day we will get some more evidence and I can go 'TOLD U SO' .
@Snorkelbottom Its deffo real time in the film and in these story boards - there is no sign of any of the many steps in evolution inbetween the first life form and what we see there (see the other story boards on the site). The picture is even called salamando salamandas were not the first amphibians to walk on land - not by a long shot the white look lobe fish you talk about looks nothing like that its scaly for one and has fins not feet!:
[img]http://universe-review.ca/I10-72-Eusthenopteron.jpg[/img] and it IS the same sequence if you look at the website it shows more all we see is engineer to DNA DNA to dividing cells (which are billions of years in advance of the single cells of the first life forms).
I can delete the moss from a scene like that in a few minutes - it cost virtually nothing - I work with compositing software. I fear this film was a bit scrappy so maybe it was a mistake but we'll see. Like I said before there was moss in the actual film but there isnt a hi rez shot online to post.
July 09, 2012
The Engineers sparked life, billions of years ago, evolution has run its course since then, man is one outcome, all life started in the water, this is perhaps the ancestor of all modern species.
Simple really, doesnt anyone watch Atenborough or the BBC? lol
July 11, 2012
There is problem with engineer sacrificing DNA theory.
You need single cell in the same order to that of abiogenesis for that theory to work. if the human DNA or engineers dna can't be broken down to single cell that gives life then this theory fails. but we are overthinking here so anything goes.
Uncertainty is the only certainty there is, and knowing how to live with insecurity is the only security.
July 11, 2012
Yer its probably a bit above our understanding even if it were a real thing :D ! Yes I wonder if they will go into were the engineers come from later. I quiet like the idea that they have to sacrifice themselves to make life - like maybe you have to have a soul so they can't just use artificial means possibly.
July 11, 2012
one engineer soul divided into current human and the animal population?
that is hell of a division, I failed at maths now. XD
that said, the very idea of dissolving dead human body into water and create abiogenesis looks funny at it's best for any science graduate person.
I mean we see animals, humans dying that way and their mass getting buried under the sea with clay, rocks over it and then pressurizing the organic form ending up with crude oil in sea. And in this movie, that engineer instead of being oil, seeded life...
Funny. But that's Lindeolf for all of us.
Uncertainty is the only certainty there is, and knowing how to live with insecurity is the only security.
January 04, 2013
TOLD U SO! Wow the other guys in this thread must feel so stupid right now! Crabfart was bang on!
"It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D
January 08, 2013
I know deftones1986 and MVMNT all these people who hated the movie are just people with nothing better to do than to criticize. I get so sick and tired of people (pardon my language) bi@#$*&^ and whinning. Those people that didnt like Prometheus are either born before or after 1990. They just cant understand movies or how to make them, its long and tedious process. BY THE WAY ITS CALLED AN AMPHIBIAN NOT A REPTILE ( do you young ones call frogs lizards too )?! Especially if they dont like something thats been done or cant understand they put their OWN SPIN and its quite FUNNY.
The Anunnaki were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, mighty men of high reno
January 08, 2013
[b]Funny. But that's Lindeolf for all of us.[/b]
Quit blaming Lindelof for something mankind cant always understand. We think we know but really all we know is the present form and we TRY to go from there. I mean no offense but dont blame a writer for something called SCIENCE FICTION. Thats why its called sci-fi because its FICTION (means not real or made-up)!
The Anunnaki were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, mighty men of high reno