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********THIS THREAD IS A WORK IN PROGRESS******** These are truncated interpretations of forum members "plot holes" or unaswered questions along with answers and explainations from various members... 1)[u]Is sacrificing one of their kind really the best way they have to create life on earth in the beginning of the film?[/u] 2)[u]Why would Weyland spend so much money to fund a mission with no hard evidence that Shaw and Holloway's theories are correct?[/u] [b]He's a multi-quadrillionaire or mega-rich for that matter. Money is no object and immortality is his only desire.[/b] 3)[u]Why is Shaw portrayed as a Christian believer yet she forms a hypothesis that contradicts Christian beliefs?[/u] [b]In the film someone says that her beliefs are incorrect because the Engineers created humans. She answers with "Yes, but who made them?" She has her own beliefs that are obviously based in Christianity but every Christian does not believe or worship in the same way.[/b] 4)[u]Why was Weyland playing like he was dead and hiding in cryo besides plot reasons?[/u] [b]He was in cryo to preserve the short time he had to live. As far as why he hid it from the crew perhaps he's an eccentric multi-quadrillionaire who likes to mess with people's heads. Or, if the comany and share holders believe he's dead he could be doing it for some business reasons.[/b] 5)[u]Why is Vickers being Weyland's daughter kept a secret?[/u] [b]Vickers being Weyland's daughter is kept secret from the audience. Never in the film does it suggest that this fact is kept from the crew. She has a different last name but that doesn't mean that the last name was made up. Maybe a married name or she kept her mother's last name.[/b] 6)[u]Why does Vickers even go on the mission when it's against her best intrest in regards to taking over Weyland Industries? It's not in her best intrest if other "sharks" are on earth plotting to take over the company while she's on the mission.[/u] [b]For one Weyland is not dead so the company is still his. Also, Vickers obviously has daddy issues. Her father prefers a replicant to her. Her father is dying. She expresses that in her opinion the mission is a joke and will not be successful therefore she believes her father is going to die on the mission. She looks at the mission as her last chance to redeem herself or win her father's love away from David.[/b] 7)[u]Why does Weyland take the voyage instead of sending a probe and funding further medical research?[/u] [b]What medical research is going to uncover immortality?[/b] 8)[u]Why does Weyland think he can appreciate or understand immortality or the Engineers reasoning and capabilities when he himself states that his creatioin, David, cannot appreciate the immortality he has been given because he has no soul?[/u] [b]Again, he's an eccentric, multi-quadrillionaire. He created another lifeform. He also obviously thinks he is on equal footing with the gods or Engineers. He is incredibly self rightious. And, unlike David, he has a soul.[/b] 9)[u]Why does the crew rush into the temple instead of waiting for the pups to finish mapping?[/u] [b]They never go into any area of the pyramid that has not been mapped.[/b] 10)[u]Why would the crew remove their helmets when they admit that, though breathable, it could still be dangerous?[/u] [b]Once they find out it's breathable they never say anything about a chance of it still being dangerous. In fact, someone states that the air is, in fact, cleaner than earth's air.[/b] 11)[u]Why does David shine a flashlight at a hologram?[/u] [b]He's in a very dark place and has a flashlight in his hand. When most people are in the dark and hear or see something moving they usually will shine said flashlight in that direction.[/b] 12)[u]How does Fifield and Milburn get lost when Fifield is in charge of the pups?[/u] [b]The pup readout was loading to the display on the ship, Fifield had a piece of the equipment that showed them the readout however when he and Millburn decided to leave rather near their point of entry he had to leave the equipment with the crew who were staying so they could continue to find their way. Fifield and Millburn being men both think they can find their own way and don't bother contacting Janek for directions. Then the storm hits knocking out contact.[/b] 13)[u]Why are geologist Fifield and biologist Millburn not interested in the uber-important descoveries that the team make in the pyramid?[/u] [b]It's possible that they are too frightened to care about their careers at that point. Or better yet they are interested but are smart enough to hang back until the pyramid is found to be safe and without threat.[/b] 14)[u]Why is Millburn stupid enough to try to pet the hammerpeede?[/u] [b]Perhaps his inquisitive, biologist nature that was talked about being absent in question #36 has finally got the better of him. Also, Fifield had just showed him that he had marajuana in his resperator. This could explain why Fifield is super paranoid as well as why Millburn wants to pet the hammerpeede. Fifield is paranoid because he's stoned and Millburn is trying to show off in order to impress Fifield so he'll share the marajuana.[/b] 15)[u]How is human dna and engineer dna a match yet there are differences between them?[/u] 16)[u]Why doesn't the crew ask David to translate Engineer writing when they find out there's a contagion loose?[/u] [b]When they find out Holloway's infected is the first sign of a contagion. At this point they are in the pyramid and find Millburn's body and see that Fifield is missing. They also see the hammerpeede scuttle off which scares them as well. The sh*t has hit the fan at this point.They don't think about or have time to ask David to translate anything as they are trying to hurry and get to the Prometheus to help Holloway. Besides, David is off on his own mission at the orrey in the Juggernaut.[/b] 17)[u]Why does Janek go to have sex with Vickers?[/u] [b]Seriously??? All joking aside, Janek is the captain of the ship. He's not responsible for anything scientific which is what the mapping of the pyramid is. Also, at this point he has told Fifield and Millburn to hunker down and not bugger each other and all is quiet. Finally, at this point, there has been no threat. Just what he believes to be glitches with the pups.[/b] 18)[u]Why does nobody get angry at Janek for dereliction of duty?[/u] [b]See above answer.[/b] 19)[u]Why does David infect Holloway for no reason?[/u] [b]Before David infects Holloway he has a conversation with Weyland who is in cryo. When David leaves he comes upon Vickers lurking in the corridors. She askes David what Weyland said. "He said to try harder" he tells her. Weyland wants to find out what the "black goo" is capable of without being the guinea pig. Could it make him immortal? Could it make him morph into an alien? Could it give him the runs? He tells David to infect someone. David picks the person he likes the least of the crew. [/b] 20)[u]Why does infected Holloway act ok and return to the temple putting his girlfriend and crew in danger?[/u] [b]Holloway has no idea he's infected. He dosn't know what David did. All that happened before they left for the pyramid was what he saw in his eye in the mirror. He could have been thinking he was seeing things due to cryo or space travel or whatever. He didn't display any pain until they were in the ampule room and at that point he asked Shaw if what was going on was bad.[/b] 21)[u]How does David know what 3 months pregnant looks like in terms of an alien?[/u] [b]David tells Shaw she's 3 months pregnant BEFORE he tells her it's not human. He's telling her she's 3 months pregnant in terms of the size of a human fetus at 3 months. He knows they haven't been there for 3 months and that the alien fetus couldn't be that old as they hadn't been there 3 months.[/b] 22)[u]Why does David put Shaw to sleep when she asks him to take the alien fetus out?[/u] [b]First, putting Shaw to sleep and in cryo is the most rational actions he could take as the med-pod only works on males and they don't have the personel to do the procedure.[/b] 23)[u]Why does Shaw not mention David's behavior to anyone after the c-section?[/u] [b]Because his behavior was totally rational.[/b] 24)[u]Why is nobody, especially David,curious about what happened to Shaw and her baby after the c-section?[/u] [b]David trumped Shaw's pregnancy with the surviving Engineer. After he was found, anything else was secondary - which includes Shaw's baby. And David was the only one who SAW the fetus. I doubt he said much, of if he did, he was deliberately vague. Weyland's only concern was meeting his "maker", and since Shaw was obviously alive and coherent, why would Weyland even care? He was on borrowed time, only days to live - if that. He's not going to give a crap about what Shaw was up to.[/b] 25)[u]Why does Janek assume that LV-233 is an "experimental weapons depot" located far away from the Engineer's home world?[/u] [b]Janek explains this himself to Shaw in the film.[/b] 26)[u]If LV-233 is in fact an "experimental weapons depot" why would the Engineers give humans a map to it?[/u] 27)[u]Why is the ships control system started by a flute and controlled with buttons instead of being contolled by a flute OR buttons exclusively?[/u] [b]Do cars start up when you push the gas pedal or stereo buttons? No. They start with keys. The flute is the key the Engineers chose.[/b] 28)[u]Why does the awakened Engineer attack instead of finding out what's going on?[/u] [b]He has just been awakened early from a long sleep by inferior beings who he and his kind created and now want to destroy. These inferior beings have somehow found them and the rest of his beings on the ship are dead. He sees them somewhat of a threat. He has no idea what they know or what they're capable of. Not physically, he knows he can handle them physically. He's worried about what they know about the Juggernauts on the planet and their plan to destroy mankind.[/b] 29)[u]Why do Janek's co-pilots offer up their lives so readily?[/u] [b]First ands foremost the fact that the lifeboat can only sustain life for 2 years means they are going to die before anyone can rescue them anyway. Also, Janek seems to be a boss that they definitely look up to and they obviously respect him to the utmost. Plus, how often do you get a chance to save the entire planet instead of running like a coward?[/b] 30)[u]Why doesn't Vickers run sideways to avoid crash?[/u] 31)[u]Why does the Juggernaut fall straight down during the crash instead of at an angle?[/u] 32)[u]How does a rock hold the crashing Juggernaut up, saving Shaw's life?[/u] [b]If you look you can see that the part of the Juggernaut that lands where Shaw is is sloped inward which means the part of the ship that hit the rock was also lower to the ground when the ship hits. If the ship is sitting flat on flat ground that part of the ship would not be touching the ground.[/b] 33)[u]Why does the Engineer go after Shaw with bare hands when there are more Juggernauts?[/u] [b]See question #28.[/b] 34)[u]How does Shaw's baby grow so big in a confined area with no food source?[/u] [b]The trilobite fetus grew at an alarming rate while inside with what would seem to be little nutrition from Shaw as from the time she had intercourse and was impregnated to the time of the c-section she had not eaten anything. The trilobite just continues this trend after the c-section. Or perhaps the trilobite ate some of the crew members we didn't see much of.[/b] 35)[u]Why does Shaw head for the Engineer's home when she knows they want to destroy humans?[/u] [b]To get answers. She states this at the end of the film. She doesn't care the cost. In her mind she will get answers from the Engineers or die and meet her maker and get answers that way.[/b] 36)[u]How did Shaw manage to acomplish all the feats of strength and daring after a very painful c-section?[/u] [b]Shaw gives herself painkilling shots during the c-section as well as after. The combination of future surgical tools and techniques, the ability of future drugs to kill pain as well as good ol' adrenaline could have easily helped her along.[/b] 37)[u]How did the Trilobite survive the sterilization process?[/u] [b]The Trilobite does have some human DNA and perhaps the Pauling Med-pod's sterilization process is not calibrated for human/alien hybrid parasite trilobite.[/b] 38)[u]Why is the Prometheus no equipped with weapons to blow the Juggernaut up instead of having to fly into it?[/u] [b]Scientific expedition. Not an attack ship.[/b]
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I can’t get past the Paleolithic star maps. This has to be the biggest PLOT HOLE. To begin with, Shaw is an archeologist (or something like that). She obviously understands that the cave drawings were executed by stone-aged humans, not the Engineers. So, essentially, the images represent information garnered by primitive people who asked the “Gods” where they came from. The “Gods” then indulged their supplicants by indicating their origin via celestial bodies. How, then, can Shaw conclude the images are an “invitation”--or that they want us to “come find them”? There’s no basis for this assumption, for several reasons. I. If the Engineers sought to communicate with us, logic dictates that they would simply come back to Earth as they had several times in the past. Why direct Humans to draw maps for future generations to decipher? 2. If LV-223 is a supposed “weapons instillation” as implied in the script, why would the Engineers delineate it as their home, as implied by Shaw and her research? 3. If the maps were an intended invitation, and the Engineers assumed Humans would someday possess interstellar space ships, why would they want us to “come find” their weapons depot? 4. If the maps are a warning to “stay away”, why wasn’t this indicated in Shaw’s research? She had several cultures to cross reference. Also….at least three of the pictograms are shown to be less than two-thousand years old. The one from Hawaii was dated in the 700’s CE. So, that means they’ve been here at least three times since the surviving Engineer on LV-223 went into stasis (this is interesting for a whole set of other reasons). It also implies that the Engineers only reveal themselves to primitive cultures who paint on cave walls. Had they appeared to the more sophisticated Romans during the Italian Renaissance, the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel may have turned out differently. It’s a great movie, but this little did bit keeps nagging at me.
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Yes, I guessed it's something that bothered Shaw, too. A lot. Next time you watch the movie, look out for the bit where she says 'We were wrong. We were so wrong.'
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I think the reason they pointed at the system where their weapons depot was is because if we ever possessed interstellar spacecraft we would go to a place that would almost definetly kill everyone that went there so it was also a trap for us. Please prove me wrong.
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There were more plot-holes and inconsistencies in this flick than a Paul W.S Anderson film. This pretty much sums it up for me. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBaKqOMGPWc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBaKqOMGPWc[/url]
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Well at least now I know how the Engineer got to the lifeboat. I actually think they don't need a mask to breath because that's what the suit is for. It produces oxygen into the body. Then again the Engineer did take a breath before butting the S.J mask in the chair. [IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/29241mp.jpg[/IMG]

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I have quite a few questions about prometheus that i was trying to figure out but got nowhere. Like what were the engineers running from in the hologram,and why they were all piled together, and also when david goes into the juggernaut there is a dead engineer stood up....? Also what is the green egg thing in the muriel room? And the alien being crucified on the wall?? RS says nothing about it on the DC. There are also loads more dome buildings that no one even acknowledges. I also noticed that the interior of the dome and ship are similar to what the aliens put all over the walls in 'Aliens', its like camouflage. Maybe thats the engineer in them, or the aliens had been there before the prometheus crew, or it has nothing to do with it at all..... Also prometheus does not carry on straight to alien, but now everyone knows who the space jockey is and what hes doing, the only thing different is that they're eggs not urns and what has made that happen? Or was the alien that come out of the space jockey a mother alien that laid the eggs. Also when the crew are about to enter the muriel room, what is the greeny goo David encounters on the entrance door? Is it alien goo or engineer blood? or infected engineer blood? He should of put that into holloways drink instead. One last thing is;when they're in the bit with breathable air, what is the liquid pouring down? Is it water? Dont actually know, so anyone know anything about my questions let me know because i cant stop thinking about prometheus months after ive watched it, dont think ive ever done that with any other film...maybe donnie darko.
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".. Like what were the engineers running from in the hologram,and why they were all piled together, .." Was it really a mass grave,,,created by ruthless beings,,,not yet seen. The most Engineers we have seen in one location... Were they all there to maintain the Juggernaut? I mean the last Engineer was willing to take off all by himself so were the other Engineers all there to maintain thestarship> It has been suggested that there was other activity in the pryamid,,,not all Engineers were there to fly Juggernauts.. Judging by the sheer numbers,,the Engineers were doing more than polishing up a spaceship dcheduled for a visit to planet Earth..
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I think the opening scene has been lost a little here too. There is a sense of betrayal here as the original lone engineer figure opening the spheroid vial , drinking deeply, was expecting an experiencesomething more like the elixir of life. The black goo seems more associated with the Xeno creatures than the engineers throughout the film. Until now their Xenophon enemy is not portrayed as technologically superior, but rather just one hell of a tough persistent insectoid, so there seems to be a little confusion as to the origin of the black goo. The remaining fragment of DNA seemed more like a chotic oversight than the original intention of starting a humanoid race. Surely the advanced technology of the engineers did not need such a chaotic means of achieving their purpose. How about some more thought and discussion on this.
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Sense of betrayal? How do you arrive to that conclusion?!?
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"..Surely the advanced technology of the engineers did not need such a chaotic means of achieving their purpose..." Although the goo is a key point in the movie,,it dowesn't quite feel right that it was developed by the Engineers,, Seems too different from the little we know about them. It is more like it was discovered in their travels,somehow seen it at work..and gathered/utilized the goo to achieve their stellar development plans.. I mean it has a complicated storage(big head room) witha dispersal system(Juggernaut cargo room)) needed..but not explained.
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"22)Why does David put Shaw to sleep when she asks him to take the alien fetus out? First, putting Shaw to sleep and in cryo is the most rational actions he could take as the med-pod only works on males and they don't have the personel to do the procedure." I believe that David wants to put her in Cryo because he wants to preserve it and take it back for further studies. As did the other cyborg in Alien and the other Weyland personnel in Aliens.This has been the main motive in all Alien movies
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Yes I think David wanted to preserve whatever was in Shaw for Weyland Corp to exploit as needed. Even though David is developiung his own set of priorities he still a Company man check out his fingertip 'Logo" You mentiuon that the Med Pod was set for males which is true. If Shaw could get around this limitation to abort the fetus.. I would think David coul;d also..if he wanted to. Davis was acting in his own interest first and Shaw's was secondary a dangerous choice for humans.
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Engineering, I can tell you cant understand movies or read subtle messages or even how the script actually does not have any plot holes. I mean talk about trying to debunk a movie leave it alone, its done, its been made. Your questions as David would say are "irrelevant". I agree with Maiafay though it just seems like these other people werent able to easily put the story together its like they wanted it to be just like ALIEN and its NOT. Yes they made the Alien species but no they are not elephant people who are 15 ft tall. There are different types of black goo: one for mutation and one for destruction through mutation. By the way people a PLOT HOLE is something that does not connect at all and completely contradicts the story line and it doesnt. Also got to YouTube.com look up Prometheus explained! Even though you really shouldnt have to explain it if your born before 1990!!

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@Anunnaki50 I think you're barking up the wrong tree. [b]Engineering[/b] understands this movie better than most, and what he did (read his comments) was to demonstrate that Prometheus actually has remarkably few plot holes.
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@Maiafay Holloway was the lead scientist of the expedition. If David had to test the goo, why not do it on a less expensive staff member like a random guard or technician? And why test it on a human? Why not take a closer look at the goo through a microscope, test it on some cells or perhaps a some lab-rat (which you would expect to have on a scientific expedition ship)? And why not quarantine the test-subject and risk the life of all crew members, including Wayland? The behaviour is counter to all scientific rationale, which is what you would expect from a highly qualified scientific crew, especially from a droid. Hence, it is a plot hole.
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[i]"Holloway was the lead scientist of the expedition. If David had to test the goo, why not do it on a less expensive staff member like a random guard or technician?"[/i] Why? Because Holloway was insulting and rude to David. And he wasn't the lead scientist – Shaw was. [i]"Why not take a closer look at the goo through a microscope?"[/i] Maybe he did. How do you know that he did not? The entire mission was geared towards getting Weyland in front of his makers. Lab rats were probably the last thing on Weyland's mind when he conceived of the mission.
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Weyland's life has been getting results. In this mission he needed results as soon as practical, even sooner if a shortcut can be used, He was desparate as he sees the ending of his life, What would a sleep chamber for real lab rats look like?
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11) Why does David shine a flashlight at a hologram? I have another solution for this activity by David. He likely had some vague concept of what would happen upon making the finger strokes. Once he saw the holagram, he was using flashlight to direct the attention of the rest of the crew. Additionally, this would make his activity not necessarily human nature but more his use of analyzing human reactions.
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I like the idea, some have discussed, of David's algorithm, which almost required an acceptance by Halloway of his fate. I can see two factors in this; 1) That Weyland, even as egomaniacal as he was, felt that at least his son should have some moral caliber. And thus programming him to be able to use again, his analysis of human psychology, to elicit the response he needed to justify his actions. Halloway may have simply been the best candidate for the job: Age, build, features from some perspective of what humans regard as acceptable in appearance... Who better for an android to choose; when their could possibly be an evolution into some eternal being; as must be some crack-pot’s (Weyland) concept of how the goo might be of some aid in his preservation? 2) Weyland, may not have liked the guy either. Possibly he was even a little jealous that he wasn’t holding hands with Shaw frolicking around in alien castles. Maybe he recommended using Halloway as the guinea pig.
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1) Is sacrificing one of their kind really the best way they have to create life on earth in the beginning of the film? Perhaps the Engineer (or "Prometheus" as I like to call him) had already given "fire" to the humans - and was banished/executed for his crime (forced to take a suicide pill). The movie doesn't say anything about the engineers creating life on earth, and I was surprised when I read about this online. The only reference is something like 'two centuries of evolution' - but that doesn't imply evolutionary theory in its entirety is to be disregarded (or reduced to low cell count organisms). 26)If LV-233 is in fact an "experimental weapons depot" why would the Engineers give humans a map to it? My answer: they changed their mind (after they saw humanity as a threat - having the capacity to become an interstellar competitor within a few millennia if not sooner), and so perhaps they changed the station from creation mode to destruction mode, rather than building a new outpost 15)How is human dna and engineer dna a match yet there are differences between them? At this point in history, genetic science has developed the capacity to recognise what genetic differences (or decoding thereof) counts as an evolutionary pathway (defining a predecessor) - and therefore a match. We have like 98% chimpanzee DNA and ~40% flower DNA - the encoding is more complex than a one-to-one mapping.

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