The worst in the series

@Kevin - I do agree with you about the set design. It was good but it wasn't groundbreaking. The only thing unique is actually seeing a "facehugger" impregnate by the mouth. That was never shown in the other movies. Regardless, I just expected it to be filmed differently. And about the AVP remarks. I like AVP Requiem because I am a soldier and former Marine and I like action that involves using the military.

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@colonian soldier That's right son! The movie, while being visually ok, simply took bits and pieces from the Alien univers, threw them in in order to bait us, older fans, but not too much in order to still have then would-be new fans flooding the theaters. An Alien movie for the Bieber generation. And the Lost generation. Why did Fassbender infected Holloway? No point!!!! Really! Lost-style, pointless thing that looked to be going miles ahead, but ended up taking 30 mins of the screen time before it died down. I just saw the movie. I'm furious! I was cheated. I am a long and a die-hard Alien movies fan and they let me down. I want my money back.

If the Alien as we all know, only comes out at the end, and only after the genetic black goo first incorporates a small worm (which we see in the footsteps of Fassbender as they enter the pyramid), and out comes a wormy alien, then goes through a human male body, then through a human woman body, then finally - last phase - through an Engineer's body - why do we have since the beginning the shape of the alien queen painted on the black walls of the Head Room? Why, if the only was we get there is by future action?!??!?!?! Come on - maybe my English is failing me now but - I know you guys understand what I'm saying!

I just saw the movie today. I don't hate it because it's not Alien. I hate it because it was awful. The only character I liked was David. The rest I didn't care if they died or not. Translation: poor character development. The story was too weak and predictable. Nothing surprised me. Even at the end. As a stand alone movie it falls short. Just a big budget B movie. When Ridley Scott said to set your expectation bar lower he didn't say how low. He should have said "I have George Lucas's disease. Expect a turd. " Seriously, the popcorn was better than the movie.

Let's not forget that Kane was a complete tool himself. Entered chamber, falls, decides to touch the egg, egg makes a shock noise, I say black goo starts to pour up it, it opens, he looks down in the egg and gets a hug. I know the team was really a odd mix of people but the original crew was no better except they started to communicate with each other for a little while anyway. I am also on the side that they didn't make the Aliens, they found them at some point. They mention in the film that they made weapons of mass but really aren't the Humans worse then Aliens when it comes to destruction, consuming and resilience?

@unitymind Ahhhhhh! your shortsightedness reveals itself!! In Alien Kane has superb character development - He eagerly volunteers to go out on the mission. When they see the derelict - quote "weve come this far, we must go on. We have to go on!" Once inside the derelict his ardent ferver and curiosity overwhelm him once again as he finds the Jockey, he finds the hole in the floor, he once again volunteers to go down into the chamber. The whole film beautifully builds that character trait and it is played with awesome aplomb by John Hurt. It is completely believable that when the egg opens up, Kane will look inside. The whole movie has spent its gloriously crafted script on letting us know Kane is one curious mofo. Case in point Alien - Awesome screenplay, character development Prometheus - Dog shit screenplay. Dog shit characters

@The High Priest You touch on something that I don't think gets discussed much, but is absolutely critical to understanding one of the things that made Alien great and Prometheus such a disaster. In Alien, everything the crew did made sense in terms of their individual character traits. Kane was curious, Lambert apprehensive, Dallas aloof, etc... What the characters did was reasonable, and the way the film unfolds seems inevitable. We get none of that in Prometheus. One of the things that doesn't get mentioned is that in Alien there were several missed opportunities to avoid the disaster. In fact every single character had something to contribute to making the disaster what it was. Someone in one of the forums said that if they had listened to Parker "why don't they just freeze him" then there wouldn't have been a movie. And that is the point I think, that we are terrified because subconsciously we realize that all these seemingly insignificant events ("freeze him", "lets get the hell out of here", "if I break quarantine we could all die") create a chain of events that ends up leading to horrific, inevitable doom. Alien is scary because it could have happened to us. Another point I want to make about Alien that I find endlessly interesting is that every character seems to have a weakness that contributes to their downfall. Dallas - lack of leadership -- as a captain he doesn't act very captain like until it is too late. If he had only taken control of the situation earlier, overrulled ash, enforced quarantine, things would have turned out different. In the end, it was his watch, and Dallas let the disaster unfold. Kane - reckless curiosity -- this one is obvious. If it weren't for Kane they'd have gotten the hell out of the derelict as Lambert suggested. Kane keeps pushing to learn more, even as the Egg ominously opens/pulsates. He pays the ultimate price for his curiosity, and dooms the crew in the process. Lambert - fear -- she is ultimately undone by her fear. She becomes more and more unglued as the film progresses, to the point where she is frozen with fear when confronted by the Alien. If she had been able to control it, to "get out of the way" as Parker pleaded, then perhaps the only "real" opportunity to defeat the Alien would not have been wasted, and the two of them would still be alive. Parker - bravado/impulsiveness - This was also a strength and made him one of the most likely choices to survive the encounter. Parker had the only "real" opportunity to defeat the alien, holding the flamethrower while the Alien was focused on Lambert. However he instead chose to engage the alien by hand, and paid with his life. His greatest strength, bravery, counted for nothing because of one impulsive decision. Brett -- apathy - he drifts through the movie letting other make decisions for him. He doesn't want to be responsible, and is content letting others run the show. When faced with the Alien he doesn't know what to do. In the end, as with everyone else, he lets the Alien have it's way with him, Ash - well he's the robot with an agenda so it's not quite the same as we are glad when he dies. Still he is undone by his own secrecy and dishonesty. Ripley saw it, and eventually unmasked Ash. Ash would have been outed earlier by Dallas had he shown any leadership. Ripley - no real weakness -- and in the end the only survivor of the ordeal. She displayed the leadership that Dallas lacked. She chose to do things by the book, enforce quarantine, she took the initiative to decode the derelicts message, and volunteered to go into the ducts. The ONLY reason she survives the ordeal is that she doesn't have any of the faults that the other characters have. Again, the terror of the Alien is knowing subconsciously that it uses our own faults and weaknesses to destroy us. It shows us our own weaknesses and destroys us in the process. Every opportunity to avoid the disaster was wasted. It's as if the actions and character of each crew member let to their own demise. The crew doomed itself. The Alien was just the catalyst. Now compare this to Prometheus. Well, clearly there is no comparison. The characters didn't act consistently enough from scene to scene to even gauge their internal motivations or faults. Like they didn't even care themselves. We aren't even sure half the time why they are doing what they are doing. Why take off the helmet? Overconfident? OK, but why would everyone else follow him? How does the person who mapped the caves get lost? Doesn't he even care? Who led this mission and was responsible for it? Everyone went their own way. What was David's agenda? Was he hero or villain? Etc... Comparing it to Alien: what were the missteps that the Prometheus crew made? What were the missed opportunities? How did the crew destroy itself? In the end nothing made much sense. People got lost for no reason. Motivations changed for no reason. People died for no reason. We are left empty handed. The only possible explanation is that the crew is much, much stupider than we are. Gone are all traces of the subconscious emotional impact that Alien had. The Prometheus disaster couldn't have happened to any of us. And we take comfort in knowing that, the implausibility of the movie. We can sit safely and smugly in our seats and watch as stupid people do stupid things and end up in a stupid situation. There is no terror here. There is no threat. I think this is the "root" of all of the myriad problems with the film. It's what we loved about Alien. It's what we wanted Ridley to deliver again. Existential terror. The Alien shows us what we are, then kills us. Long winded, but my 2 cents.

@LordFrito, I just saw your response right now to my thread that I created. I found it because I typed "Prometheus worse in the series" in google. I have to applaud you on your response. You clearly articulated why Alien was a superior movie to Prometheus.

Who cares about the plot holes (AKA open-for-debate-scenes)? Who cares about the unexplained origins of humanity? Who cares about the xenos apearing or not in the film? This movie kills the Space Jockey and replaces it with something else. The first one was a simbol of the vastness and oddness of a universe that doesn't care about our beliefs, the engineers are just the opposite, humanity as creators-created (my main language isn't english, so don't be rude about my language if it's sometimes unacurate; I hope you understand what I'm trying to say). Those who say that a human SJ doesn't conflict the canon even slightly, has obviously missed the 30 years of comics and books about elefantine ETs. Prometheus fans: Can you promise me that when the original Alien was made, their makers were thinking "hehe, we're fooling the public, we depict the SJ with words like "extraterrestrial", "fossil" and "bones" in order to fool them and surprise them later with a HUMAN in a suit"? Can you?