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Andrew Nugent
MemberOvomorphMay 11, 2012If an android - like David 8 - were to be facehugged and somehow the wee chestburster were to lay inside the him, would the alien die? Or are the androids somehow, so advanced in the way that their synthetic bodies are so realistic that the alien would live and adopt features of synthetic life?
May 11, 2012
I would say that it could not...
David 8 is not really Biological....
But who knows what some of the Engineers (Fire) could do, maybe that could change David 8 from Synthetic Andriod Machine to Bio Mechanical Machine and in that case i would think the Xeno Embryo may then be able to grow inside him...
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
May 11, 2012
Hi, Andrew:
That is a very nice question. In "Aliens" there seems to be no interest from the Queen about Bishop. Though that could have been somewhat circumstantial.
I tend to believe that the Androids are not that sofisticated in order to harbour life in them. But who knows?
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
May 11, 2012
I would say yes to it being able to survive after being mistakenly deposited in an android host (provided there was space in there) But "no" to it integrating some of it's features.
I say yes...because the normal reproductive parts are not required...Kane certainly didn't have them and seemed remarkably ok until it exited him (i.e. He had not had parts of him absorbed by the baby burster) so I feel that the thing develops it's early stage largely independently from it's host. Perhaps only using it as a safe place to start off and a source of food after bursting out to facilitate the large growth spurt.
I don't think the mechanical and electrical elements of David would be suitable or even have a mechanism for transfer...as they are not cellular (i.e. replicating cells that make a pre-planned design) but rather man made components.
Therefore I would GUESS...that once planted...it would either get to bursting stage healthy under it's own biology and burst out, or, if missing some form of biological protein, might burst out premature and be a bit stunted or just die after coming out.
The only other thought would be that the organism could scavenge off of material within the android and re-utilise it at molecular level, through some unknown process.
BTW...the last two big responses I put to threads, bombed out when I hit "add reply"...it's a real pain...any one else getting this?
thoughts.
May 11, 2012
I am assuming that the Xeno Embyo needs a mother/host like a normal Emryo needs a Womb....
The Human and near enough every other Organism that has Embyo's require and get a lot of its genetics from being in the Womb etc...
A Human Embryo is pretty much identicle to every other Mamal, Fish and Bird etc etc at the first stage.
Lets assume that the Xenos implanted Embryo needs a living Organism in order to grow and take on genetics from that Organism (hence Dog Xeno, Pred Xeno etc).
If thats the case then i cant see a Andriod being able to offer anything to the Organism.
Does a Andriod contain DNA and Bio Elements..... not really but a Blade Runner Replicant does... and if somehow you cross the Engineers Technology and (Fire) with a Synthetic Andriod you may indeed create a Replicant Bio Andriod and thus that should be able to gestate a Xeno Embryo.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
May 11, 2012
"BTW...the last two big responses I put to threads, bombed out when I hit "add reply"...it's a real pain...any one else getting this?
thoughts."
If you are making a big reply i would copy the txt onto a notepad or copy to clipboard before you hit reply.
I think the server kicks you off after a period on inactivity, i notice if i wrote massive essays and clicked reply it just took me to the log in screen.
So if you copy your txt first then you would not have lost your work.
I dont know how that can help if you work from a ipad/tablet or a Mobile/Cell Phone.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
May 11, 2012
I would say ...no. In Alien3 the Alien knew Ripley was impregnated with a queen by "sniffing" her. I cant see a synthetic being able to support a biological parasite and help it grow.Also cant see a face hugger being unable to recognise a non biological form.
There, tuppence worth dispensed. : )
May 11, 2012
Hopefully in the movie, Ridley will put to rest the question of does the embryonic form gestate from an implanted larval form or is it manufactured by the host's compromised metabolism. In response to your query I would say that no the organism wouldn't survive in an android host. I don't even think that it would be implanted, UTILIZED by the facehugger. IMO as they lack visual apparatus they must be capable of targetting their host through through a bioelectric signature as the space suit would render thermal imaging impossible under certain environmental conditions.
May 11, 2012
I'm pretty sure that david couldn't be infected with any kinda chestburster/squiddy. BUT I'll bet my lucky dollar that engineer/SJ bio tech is going to affect David in some way in this film!
May 11, 2012
@BigDave
ref: posts not posting...
Ahh...the sensible approach...that must be why I'm having problems...lol.
May 11, 2012
No.
How? A David8 is a machine.
The alien life form, apparently, is biologically alive - and works on those principles.
If an alien life form embryo could utilise a David, why couldn't it equally well utilise the table you put it down on, or a washing machine?
Biologically alive means something very specific to us - DNA and the chemical processes of exchange and duplication that DNA, some incredible how, is at the root of.
It may be that is a principle that is meaningless to the processes this alien life form is founded on - but everything so far suggests it [i]is[/i] founded on a principle that is something to do with DNA.
If it is, I do not see how David8 can support it.
A David8 has no DNA for it to utilise. He is not biological.
May 11, 2012
I think the theory has already been touched on but... I think the xeno is a result of the bio-tech mixing with David's tech, but who knows... Something which has been mentioned before is that David gets transformed into a human and is the first human on earth... This would be a serious paradox and would ruin the movie for me, can't wait to find out though!
May 11, 2012
I would go so far as to say that if the alien xenomorph facehugger was seperated from the colony proper with only an android left over, and no-one else, no biological 'host' nothing then the aliens redundancy factors would kick-in. In an ideal world it would rahter the 'conventinal route' to 'genisis' (ie.) egg laying method and all that goes with it) but under 'special circumstances' the alien grunt can cocoon one-or-more 'cocoon hosts' to become fully-fledged 'eggs' in their own right. So then the 'conventional route' from egg to facehugger to alien birth is re-honored.
However, if the evolutionary stakes have been so sqeezed to ABSOLUTE breaking point (i.e) survival of the species/new colony set-up, then I think the Xeno alien life-cycle will adapt yet again to the crisis enviromental conditions its own 'primordial/primeval nature' finds itself in.
An android would be a warm incubating mobile chamber of sorts for an alien xeno to 'adapt and over come' the gestation status if it meant that it could get something out of it for its own advancement in the process.
So, in effect, I'm thinking the Xeno facehugger when faced with the devil or the deep blue sea of extinction then it would try to find a way to make it happen. Yet another bio-hybrid thread line would be created as a result and hybrids going off all over the place. I think it could possibly be done as they say in Jurassic Park: "Life, somehow, will find a way."
May 11, 2012
I would suggest a couple of questions after your post.
1. Do synthetics need to breathe air? If not then what would keep them from staying awake during the attack?
2. In the case that the Synthetic is still awake, couldn't it just rip pull the face hugger off with killing himself? I mean Synthetics are surely physically stronger than a human.
So I guess my real question is if the face hugger would have any real success with an attack on a Synthetic?
May 11, 2012
BTW, to answer your question. I would say that it shouldn't be able too, but you never know, especially when we don't know too much about the Space Jockey tech yet.
May 11, 2012
well knowing more about the androids physiology would help with that question im sure.
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