No Weyland Industries In Prometheus

Tec-B, If you can't argue intelligently don't try. I might be new to these forums, but I am no forum virgin. If you want to prove me wrong find me a corporate logo where the "gaps" make up part of the logo in the same way. The W in the gaps is merely coincidental, and probably intended to cause debates such as this one until the films release.

Actually, I'm newer than you, and neither am I. I wouldn't be the grammar police either as my typing is piss poor. If you want intelligent debate please refer to my remarks about "obvious and conceivable" on the other thread we posted on.

I have my friend, I have.

yes.. very ambiguously enigmatic..

See Magellen makes sense if it's designed as an exploratory vessel with the intention of returning with something or securing something, much like the name Prometheus , though it has the added connotation of taking a faster route. You could still argue it's simply an additional vessel of Prometheus, but then it would seem like it's the part intended to return (the whole circumnavigation bit). This is just my speculation but maybe it is a completely military-owned Yutani vessel sent afterwards that somehow arrives shortly after the Prometheus at the destination. A vessel sent out to find a faster route to the alien world for it's "kingdom" or section of the world/multinational corporation to secure and exploit. Maybe one side's greed is what causes the other more scientifically oriented side to suffer. And some are able to escape on the Magellen. Leaving others to be blamed. Someone mentioned the stuff about how Weylan-Yutani was originally supposed to give the idea of a merger between an old English name and Japan, who now put's out high end ships in the future instead of cars and electronics. oh and in that one post I said USS but really that's only what's on the ships in Aliens. It's tied into to the US expansion into space with a few of the multinationals behind them imo though. Meaning W-Y by that time are directly working with USCMS (United States Colonial Marine Services), which is a designation given to the Nostromo in Alien. it's been a long time but if I recall correctly the merger potentially happens before the forming of the United Americas... United Americas is set up in 2104 (you'll find it in the banned history section of the link) and leads to the allied worlds, but other sources tell us there are still rival powers once humans get out in space. The US remains in charge of a lot out in space. Possibly explaining why Weyland might be so obsessed with acquiring bio-weapons. http://time.absoluteavp.com/index.html

See Magellen makes sense if it's designed as an exploratory vessel with the intention of returning with something or securing something, much like the name Prometheus , though it has the added connotation of taking a faster route. You could still argue it's simply an additional vessel of Prometheus, but then it would seem like it's the part intended to return (the whole circumnavigation bit). This is just my speculation but maybe it is a completely military-owned Yutani vessel sent afterwards that somehow arrives shortly after the Prometheus at the destination. A vessel sent out to find a faster route to the alien world for it's "kingdom" or section of the world/multinational corporation to secure and exploit. Maybe one side's greed is what causes the other more scientifically oriented side to suffer. And some are able to escape on the Magellen. Leaving others to be blamed. Someone recently mentioned the stuff about how Weylan-Yutani was originally supposed to give the idea of a merger between an old English name and Japan, who now puts out high end ships in the future instead of cars and electronics. oh and in that one post I said USS but really that's only what's on the ships in Aliens. It's tied into to the US expansion into space with a few of the multinationals behind them imo though. Meaning W-Y by that time are directly working with USCMS (United States Colonial Marine Services), which is a designation given to the Nostromo in Alien. it's been a long time but if I recall correctly the merger potentially happens before the forming of the United Americas... United Americas is set up in 2104 (you'll find it in the banned history section of the link) and leads to the allied worlds, but other sources tell us there are still rival powers once humans get out in space. The US remains in charge of a lot, but not everything, out in space. Possibly explaining why Weyland might be so obsessed with acquiring bio-weapons. http://time.absoluteavp.com/index.html

Does anyone know at what point in the franchise did the companies merge? We know that Prometheus is set 30 years before the events in Alien, so if the companies merged before that then WY could appear in Prometheus.

check through the link at the end of my last post. That's where I'm refreshing my knowledge on the major powers from.

I gues that's maybe Canon still to be established? I mean there's the comics and the Alien Wiki, but a lot of info comes from there and that really constitutes comic canon as opposed to film canon which at this point seems to be completely different. I guess if you take the AVP films as canon then the companies were definitely around and large by the early 21st century.

Thus they may not yet have merged in Prometheus, IMO (lol) (See Prometheus/Alien tie in thread)

Here is all I can logically add to this discussion.... The name "Weylan-Yutani"was created by Ron Cobb, one of the designers of the Nostromo and its crew's uniforms. Weylan Yutani for instance is almost a joke, but not quite.... Here in his own words is how Mr. Cobb came up with it... "I wanted to imply that poor old England is back on its feet and has united with the Japanese, who have taken over the building of spaceships the same way they have now with cars and supertankers. In coming up with a strange company name I thought of British Leyland and Toyota, but we couldn't use "Leyland-Toyota" in the film. Changing one letter gave me "Weylan," and "Yutani" was a Japanese neighbor of mine. "

I do think someone at fox gave them the go ahead to use some of the cannon that went out in the EU and Marine handbooks and stuff. At least for Alien 3, as you see mentions of the groups in a couple scripts. So with Fox's involvement, and the company in it's earlier stages we may just see some of that. As it would firmly set this in that universe, but still allow for a stand alone story where the average viewer might not notice all the company connections since there are different monsters, different characters and no typical xenos, at least until much later in the movie if classic xenos are in.

Don't you guys see what I mean?...from what I posted there were Never two companys that murged, we all just assumed that, it was One Company with a funky Made Up company name to begin with to make it sound that way.

Yeah thats right Spart' Its AVP 1 and 2 that has seperate companies

yeah, from the pre AVP continuity it would have seemed like it was always "the company" were weyland and yutani were partners, it was the AVP films that established separate companies. That's if we include them as canon. Personally I think that those are a separate universe with the same characters, in fact (Purely IMO) they have more in common with comic continuity because at the end of the day they were"(by popular request" films due to the success of the comic series. I would discount them completely to be honest until we know what new canon will be established. for all we know (Groundless Speculation alert!) they could be the same corp by this stage (or always) but with Weyland being say an aerospace/weapons division (W with wings) and Yutani being a scientific division.

Arghhh its Y with wings IMO lol. Tec-B is right though, this idea of a merger comes from popular speculation and the AVP films, which may or may not be canon, although I believe they are. The comics are an "extended universe" that is not canon, but still came up with some good ideas such as the Royal Jelly. Regards whether the merger idea is valid or not remains to be seen and may or may not be answered in Prometheus, but I do like the idea that we came to - of the two separate companies working with/against each other to discover the secrets to humanities beginnings.

My take is that the weylan-yutani "joke" is a very dark one. To clarify I'm predicting we see the pieces start to fall into place for the merger and never get the full merger within this film. I am pretty sure in all of Ridley's years of occasionally commenting on wanting to explore the space jockey's origins that he also at one point mentions how it was in fact just the Weylan company at one point. IMO this is his baby, and all the misdirection is just to ensure we are totally surprised by what we see. What I took from the combined name thing was that they wanted to create a name that would evoke the merging of two world powers to represent the coming together of some of the world nations under the corporations, Hence an English sounding name + a Japanese one and then the hints to the American military industrial complex presence in space and full out appearance when Cameron takes over in Aliens. Ridley seems to like to convey the idea that all-powerful corporations will rule us and do terrible things in the future. Heck people already think it's happening right now. Perhaps this is the jumping off point from which all the other expanded stuff is derived. I still see it as a joke because he based it on the real name of something British and combined it with a Japanese name and they had to change the first part 'cause it was something really from Great Britain. So two of the worlds most powerful kingdoms coming together, or two huge corporations coming together. Regardless I think it is supposed to mirror the creator's and Ridley's fear about multinationals taking over even back in the 1970's. Part of why we get hints that the company's evil but it's usually only from Ripley's perspective (she's the only one who sees who they truly serve and repeatedly accuses them of trying to acquire it for weapons). It's supposed to be like a heartless multinational corporation, not adhering to the same laws in every country, and then in space there are no laws. Only the competitors and shares to keep the whole machine going. It's all there with the Japanese bringing the advanced spacecrafts to the table. Of course that's just my opinion, like I said all the stuff about the multinationals ruling Earth at one point could just spring from that.

An idea that was continued in Firefly/Serenity, the meeting of east and west, or as Muse put it the United States of Eurasia.

Not surprising considering this is a prequel and not a sequel. From what Fox said, if Prometheus is a success they will most likely expand further and make a series and then maybe in later films we as an audience will discover how the unity of Weyland and Yutani began.

Before anyone else snips in in this is a perfect lesson in humility, back then I was so sure I was right and then i was proved wrong. Happens to the best of us.