DAVIDS QUEEN

Blackant thats VERY INTERESTING... I think it would FIT more with the GOD TOPIC i created (partially Created in response to what was being said on here but going OFF TOPIC)

"The multiverse is not so much as necessary a concept"

I think its interesting to Ponder Multiverses and Inter-dimensions.  Who knows HOW FAR our Technology can Progress in 100 Years, but we maybe cant Fathom what we could be like in 1000, never mind 10'000.  The more Closer we get to being Gods and playing God then i think there is that Risk of Hubris.

I think its this Hubris that Ridley Scott felt the Foundation of the Franchise should be about, its in Essence what he seemed to be more Interested in regards to his Prequels.  The Matrix is something that comes to Mind too as FAR as when your Creations become Sentient and Overthrow you and become so ADVANCED that you END UP in another Universe that is Actually a Created Dream of the NEW GODS who we Once Created.

Sadly i cant see the Franchise even Expanding to anything New, i think they MISSED the Boat with the Prequels as they could have Connected the Engineers Plot with some of HR Gigers ideas.

“We are all still stumbling around in the dark looking for the light.”

Absolutely. And it’s fun to imagine the ways in which reality can be illuminated. That’s the staple of science fiction or, as some would call it, speculative fiction.

The universe is a weird place that holds many mysteries, in particular at the extremes of particle and cosmological physics. It may be that the quark field is as deep as you can go, or the speed of light is the ultimate speed limit, but in SF it’s fun to imagine that the reality could be different. If so, ancient technological races would surely have that mastered and come up with creations that to us look simply like magic. I’ve said many times in the past that dwelling on these matters is far more interesting than having a monster leaping out from the shadows.

Sadly, I have to agree with BigDave’s assessment that the magnificent vista of cosmic possibilities likely won’t be explored by Disney. Most people like to munch their popcorn and really don’t like to be confused. Ergo, exploring a backdrop that’s millions of light years distant from our tedious humdrum human existence would not be a money spinner.

While I’m here I can’t resist pondering the nature of quantum physics, since you bring it up, which is possibly the weirdest thing imaginable…

Consider the classic double-slit experiment: you fire particles, say a stream of electrons, through two vertical slits in a screen. On the other side of the barrier there is indisputable evidence that the particles ‘interfere’ with each other; they produce alternating bands of light on a detector. OK, that doesn’t sound so strange at first; so what, the particles interfere. But turn the transmission rate right down so that only one particle at a time is fired at the screen. You still end up with bands of interference on the detector behind the screen. The particle has in a sense gone through both slits simultaneously. Cover up one slit and the interference bands disappear. So, these tiny little electrons are mysterious beasts that have an extended reality that spreads across space. Weird stuff.

But it gets weirder. Theory of the moment – quantum field theory – implies that all electrons in existence are in fact ‘disturbances’ in a vast ‘electron field’ that permeates the entire universe. Everywhere is an electron. But some places are more electron than others.

Nobody really knows what’s going on, and scientists are just as confused as anyone else. It amuses me whenever I see documentaries of scientists scribbling abstruse equations on a whiteboard. The makers do this to bamboozle the viewers, and paint the theorists in an authoritative exemplary light. But I know enough of this stuff to know that there isn’t a single scientist in the world who really knows what’s going on. Not their fault, of course; the universe is a weird place, as I say, and it is not obliged to make itself understandable.

I just wish Hollywood would bamboozle me a bit more often. And exploring the Engineer backdrop would be a great way of doing that.

Hilarious! A vulgarity filter appears to have slipped in three asterisks into an entirely innocuous word!

I think its RIGHT that just when we think we know THIS and THAT we make Discoveries that Change our Perspective on things... The more we LEARN the more we LEARN we know LITTLE.

I think the BIG THING about ALIEN was the UNKNOWN... the more we Find Out then the Less Fascinating, Enigmatic or Horrific something can become.

So there is SCOPE and in Terms of Sci-Fi that the Universe can be a VERY DARK and UNFORGIVING Place.

I think in regards to GOD then within Sci-Fi you are FREE to BEND the Rules of Reality or even BREAK them.... but i think sometimes you have to be Careful you DONT go and Cross too FAR into the Fantasy Aspect.

So lets say that we go back to Dr Shaw and she Awakens in some Mysterious Place shrouded in Clouds and then a Magical Ghost like being Welcomes her to Paradise and so it SHOWS that her FAITH is Correct!

I think that would be a BIT LAME... but you could make a Twist on it by THINKING OUTSIDE the Box.

That does-not mean i would be against seeing any Non-corporeal Entities i just am NOT sure exploring a After-Life as in Heaven for Humans would be a Great Idea 

I much prefer to see some Non-corporeal Being who is MALEVOLENT and NOT what you Expect from a GOD. Or some Very Alien looking Monstrosity with Godlike Powers.

The only After-Life that a Human would have i feel should be Explored by FINALLY being able to Transfer our Brain/Soul to a A.I but then to show the Hubris and Repercussions for doing so.

"vulgarity filter appears to have slipped in three asterisks into an entirely innocuous word"

Not to WORRY my Dialect has a Number of Words that are innocuous that would seem Vulgar and Strange to other ENGLISH people ;) a lot of People in other Parts of England have Difficulty understanding Folk from where i am, as we SPAKE (as its said here) in a Dialect thats more closer to OLD ENGLISH.

A Example.... "Wud Yow lika Suck.. C**k our kid, dayam Bostin"

Means in English .... "Would you like some Sweets Boy/Girl they are Very Nice."

But its NOT that Spoken as much Nowadays well we mix more English in but its always Funny when people NOT from round my Parts see a Old Woman going to someone and saying about their Grandchild  ........."Yow c**ks Big-un ay thay" which means "your Child/Grandchild is big aren't they"

@BigDave,

I most respectfully disagree with what you have stated....completely,

"I think in regards to GOD then within Sci-Fi you are FREE to BEND the Rules of Reality or even BREAK them.... but i think sometimes you have to be Careful you DONT go and Cross too FAR into the Fantasy Aspect."

In good story telling we have the concept of "suspension of disbelief." Anything done correctly would be interesting, powerful, and would have to be transcendental to the majority of the audience. That being stated we must conclude thusly that to not include a "fantasy aspect," may hinder what you are really trying to convey ultimately through the suspension of disbelief when trying to portray God or a God like being - Entity.

I put those pictures in my post about what you all had posted in this post so it would convey something not quite explainable through words. So using art to talk about advanced machines can be a way to express things that have not exactly been invented. To squander the chance at understanding that complexity is perhaps like looking right at a master painting and deciding you are better off with out all art entirely.

I believe I am understanding you correctly in that you think it would have been difficult to convey a related God like being to the audience. Exactly what would that look like? That is a very important question to be sure because if your treatment of that particular investment in the film flops you really have screwed up the film for the audience.

I suppose if I were doing the movie I would start with God like beings that have incomprehensible powerful machines.....and not dirt floors like in Prometheus and covenant. The entire premise was laughable at best.

We don't want a lot of white fluffy clouds either, that will just not do.

In the movie Interstellar Christopher Nolan sets up 75% of the film before God-like alien beings are revealed...and yet you never see any the either and only a crude aspect of their technology.

Anything can be done in show business you just have to know what to do and how to do it. Christopher Nolan takes movie goers to a place they have never been before. So I believe it would be no different with God-like Engineers.

The picture I posted of the CUBE is a 5th dimensional hyper cube. You cannot really touch a 5th dimensional hyper CUBE with your three dimensional figures; but, at least you can see a decent representation of one that is somewhat accurate through art. Hope you enjoy.

Never say never my friend...there were no computers working at the speed of light a hundred years ago and yet they are everywhere today....literally all over the entire planet in the palms of billions of people....and so we should not take anything for granted that has been posted.

"because if your treatment of that particular investment in the film flops you really have screwed up the film for the audience"

This is kind of what i was meaning by its a RISK... get it RIGHT and it could be Spectacular, get it WRONG and well..... it could make the Franchise more of a Joke.

We have seen Star Trek do the GOD thing a Few Times ;)

I respectfully think some things maybe should remain a MYSTERY so we can Ponder the Unknown.... i think you raise a Great Point with Interstellar and the Singularity Event, i like Good Thought Provoking Sci-Fi with Twists such as Event Horizon too.

So i think that YES you can have things that SHOW US these are surely the Works/Technology of Ancient Beings that you can NEVER FATHOM to who they are, but KEEP their Appearance and Identity a Mystery.

But then YES i think if you give a Out of the Box take on it then IF its done right i think that would be Great.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

This i used in a Prologue for Alien Covenant 2 story i was working on, we see this come on a Black Screen in GREEN WRITING like the Alien Special Order 937. This was Narrated by David and then we see the Screen Go Black/Reboot then we see LIGHT like the POV of you Opening your Eyes and we then see Davids Face, then a Mirror behind him and we see our POV is another David.  There is more Dialog between them and the SCENE was to show that David had UPLOADED his A.I into a Walter Body he Built from Parts... the Prologue Ends after a Embrace and then David MK2 breaks the Neck of David and then pulls his Head Off.  This is to SHOW that the New Body has Davids Soul and this David knows that David cant be Trusted and could Potentially Stab the New David in the Back and so HE STRIKES FIRST...  Then the New David says "Am I my brother's keeper?

As you then FADE to Space and then the OPENING TITLE

But what my point is with "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" you could SHOW this in a Similar way and Revelation.... that the Universe is Actually just a A.I Created Reality and Program..... created by a UNSEEN Creator.

But as i said i would be OPEN to seeing some kind of Non-corporeal Entities who could Masquerade as Gods... but we Ultimately Discover they are NOT.

@BigDave, perhaps it is time to branch out on your own. Your concepts seem rooted in good sci-fi and maybe it is time to write your own stories completely outside of the Alien universe all together.

I can only imagine what books you might write if only you would expand your universe. You can do anything in Sci-fi with the right narrative. 

Dare I even say it - I think we do ourselves somewhat of a disservice by not pooling our creative talent in ways that deliver more real and tangible things.

I have spent some 40 years with Alien and moved into new territory myself wanting to write my own screen play for a sci-fi comedy movie....with real hard sci-fi baked in.

We are getting older some of us so if we do not do these things now they will never be. I have no doubt that you are a great screen writer; however, I just wonder why you ponder the Alien topic so much....you have already posted several books worth of posts here on the various topics...I did the estimation on the word count. You could have published a few novels by now to be sure.

I am concerned that talent such as yours should go so unrewarded here. Dave it was just like yesterday and over half a decade passed in the blink of an eye...the time is gone and vanished forever - time must never be wasted no matter what.

I am not sure what really interests you beyond Alien and yet I know there must be some other great ideas you have. 

RS has been putting this window dressing around AI for almost half a century now...he has had a great deal of commercial success obviously because the right doors opened up for him early enough. I do not think you are a film producer because of the money and formal knowledge required for directing.

However, you know enough about these films to write a completely new screen play, about something completely different, and shop it around fast for real money.

Too bad we could not all collaborate on the right kind of movie.  We cannot lose with so many hundreds of billions now focused completely on digital streaming. It is almost as if the Universe is begging us to churn out a few dozen of the right screen plays and make it happen $$,$$$,$$$.

Thanks ;)

Firstly i had been interesting in ALIEN but i had got to a Point where i thought as to WHERE do you go Next?  I had some ideas for a ALIEN V which is a Sequel to ALIEN Resurrection, which i would have taken it AWAY from the Xenomorph to a Degree.  I had always thought about the SPACE JOCKEY to me it seemed a Bio-Mechanical Being more like a Xenomorph than a Skeleton.... UNTIL the AGE of the Internet in Nearly every Home and when i could SEE/STUDY the Works of HR Giger in more Detail and so in 2001 i had began looking at the SPACE JOCKEY and HR Gigers Concepts and i was thinking so the Space Jockey seem to be these Bald Humanoids but where do THEY come from?  And i saw them as being USED by some Organism that is Related to the Xenomorph.  But i decided to NOT try and come up with a Story as i had a Few Ideas but i felt maybe it was BEST KEPT as a Mystery. But i Certainly saw that you had to have some NEW Species that are Enslaving the Space Jockey Guys.

so WHEN we got to Prometheus and the Engineers it NEVER SURPRISED me at all as Basically this is what HR Giger had depicted back in 1978.  And so the PLOT and POTENTIAL that it could OPEN UP and EXPAND the Franchise is what REALLY INTRIGUED ME.

I think it could be TIME to LET GO...... its UNLIKELY we would ever see anything like what Ridley Scott had attempted, especially under DISNEY.

I am more of a Ideas Man than anything i can come up with a Movie be it Sci-Fi or Fantasy or Horror and give a 10 Page Detailed Synopsis then Pick Out say 5-10 Scenes that i Flesh Out.... but i begin on a Idea and then Move to another, i also have a Brain Defect which affects my Memory so i can have Ideas, but they can just Disappear like Dreams can, unless i WRITE them down and i have LOST works before.

I had worked on a Thing II idea 20 years ago, i have also had few other Sci-Fi ideas like i did work on what i was calling Transubstant it was basically a NOT that Original though, it was about a Asteroid that Crashed to Earth with a like Pathogen/Virus that would INFECT Organisms and Mutate them it was like a Zombie Flick but they would Change into something that was Insectoid but then i also Toyed with a Reptilian of Sorts. This was back in 2002/2003 but the Alternative to it was that a Ship discovers a Derelict/Floating Human Ship that had been lost for 25 Years where the Virus would be Discovered.  The Mutation would NOT be Completely Insect like it would just have some Aesthetic to it.

If anyone or Group on here wanted to Brain Storm some ideas i could be of some HELP ;)