ALIEN: ANAKAINOSIS

Holy crap! lot of good ideas!

My two cents:

The crew of the Nostromo was my world. RS made them every bit as important as the loss of Earth itself.

ALIEN: The lives of everyone on Earth or the Crew of the Nostromo? Nostromo. Sorry Earth.

Aliens: The lives of the Colonial Marines, Newt, Ripley or Earth? Earth loses again.

Alien3: Didn't care about a single character. Gonna choose Earth every time.

Alien:R: Earth without a doubt.  Felt sorry for the Newborn...Felt like it got a raw deal. Death to the rest.

Prometheus: Earth all the way...Has to be less dullards on that planet then on the Prometheus.

A:C Earth all the way. Covenant crew will not be missed. (If it turned out the Covenant crew was a bunch of escaped crazies it would make the movie more believable.) 

I just want to care about the characters again and where the monsters have to deal with the humans. I never thought the crew of the Nostromo were the victims. They were proactive, as with Newt and the marines...Aliens3 tried this but I didn't care enough about the characters. A:R? Lol! Victim central. Run away!

Prometheus and A:C? Coeds stumble in to a haunted house and get slaughtered. Poetic justice.

Absolutely MonsterZero  as i mentioned in another Thread the Characters are what can MAKE/BREAK a Movie.

I think with ALIEN it was a Small Cast and a Slow Build Up, as in General its about the Character and Background and also the amount of TIME that is Spent on a Character, the Latter in a Movie a Character is Killed or in Jeopardy the more we have a Connection.

So my point being with say ALIENS if Hicks was Killed during the First Encounter with the Hive we would likely be Meh!  But if he say Died to Allow Newt and Ripley to Escape to the Dropship then it would have more Effect on us.

With ALIEN i feel less of a Loss for Kane and Brett compared to the others, again likely as they NEVER got as much Screen Time plus both kind of let Curiosity Kill the Cat..... thats NOT to say they was not Good Characters though.

With Prometheus i kind of could Connect with Dr Shaw and Janek but the REST as like Meh!

With Alien Covenant for me i felt more of a Loss/Connection with Faris, Oram and Karine, maybe a Small amount for Lope and Rosey.

The Rest i was like Meh!

I think when your making a Movie that is connected to others as in it is Part of a Franchise then for it to Really Work you Need to have NOT ONLY some Good Strong Characters but a Set-Up that some of these Characters will Return in a Sequel.

This is WHY maybe some who have worked on a Idea for a ALIEN Movie (Blomkamp, Hill and Giler) think about how Characters may not have worked in the Prequels and KNOW that with Ripley she was a Established Character we are Connected with and so they think that your BEST to go and Resurrect her Again!

I dont think you have to do that... but you can use the RIPLEY Connection with a Good Plot Idea.... a Great Example is Amanda Ripley and the PLOT behind her (Searching for what Happened to her Mother) If we NEVER had the Game and the Sequel Comic Series... then SUCH a Plot may have Worked as a MOVIE.

PS: I think that with a TV Series you have more TIME to Introduce and Build on Characters...  and so a 6 EP TV Series with a Budget of say $30-40M would surely be able to PULL something Decent Off... provided the Plot, the Characters and Execution is Right.

I think when looking at something to PULL in the Viewers to make a Connection to Characters then what Alien Covenant was about and Raised by Wolves could have worked...

And NOPE i am NOT talking about Robots!  But in regards to a Colony Mission to a World they HOPE to make a New Home but they Discover the Place has a Horror in store for them.

If we say NEVER got Alien Covenant the Movie but they did a TV Series that was based on the USCSS Covenant and we have the Ship arrive at Origae-6 but discover that Origae-6 has some Horror from either Xenomorph Eggs being taken to this World, or something the Result of a Black Goo Bombardment or Spillage.... then i think maybe something like this COULD have Worked.

Even if by the 2nd Episode we see some of them Explore a Outer Region and Discover some Broken Urns.... then on their way back we see ONE of them tread on a Spore and then we get the Neomorph Infection.

As you move Forwards... eventually we see another Neomorph event where it has Captured someone and we see them Cocooned and Turning into a Egg.

You could eventually show from the Egg comes some kind of Face Hugger and we get another Beast that is Different to the Neomorph a little, and something Vaguely like the Xenomorph.

By that i think the Covenant Mission was a Interesting Plot, if it had Discovered a World that had been Bombarded in the Past i think it could have worked...  the Neomorph was Interesting and to had Expanded on it and show it Egg Morph someone to Create something a little more Familiar with the Xenomorph and that we have Evidence of Urns from Prometheus... this would have Helped to make a Connection to Prometheus, and to ALIEN by showing HOW via a series of events you can get something SIMILAR to the Xenomorph Egg and Organism.

But you cant really go and do such a PLOT now as well its been done in Alien Covenant, but then WHAT kind of Plot has NOT been done in the Franchise?

Well, as for Engineers, there seem to be none left. All Engineers on LV-223 died because of the outbreak (the last one thanks to Janek’s sacrifice) around the time of Christ. David exterminated the rest of them on Planet 4, which was their homeworld. In Prometheus, we are shown that the Space Jockey is, or rather was, an Engineer. We have also been told what they were up to so there seems to be nothing more to explore about the Engineers.

We have also been told that David created the xenomorph because he wanted a “wolf” to avenge everybody who had wronged him (mankind) and have the power over the galaxy. So there is nothing further to explore there either.

So, it seems they have painted themselves into a corner . . .

Yeah Big Dave! I Would love a tv mini series! Build a foundation.

Alien3 felt like episode 7 of season 2..the prison planet episode.

A:R episode 4 of season 3. The military one.

Alien Covenant  a two part season 5 finale.

Alien, Aliens, Prometheus seemed like movies to me.

If Star Trek and Star Wars can do both tv and the big screen.....then Alien can to!(along with Predator)

"Well, as for Engineers, there seem to be none left"

I would doubt it, we have had Ridley Scott suggested that Engineers would RETURN to Planet 4 and so in his Mind and Plans for the Prequels there are MORE of them out there.

We have to bear in mind that the PLOT of the Engineers opens up the Franchise to a HUGE Scale... BIGGER than Star Wars and Star Trek....

*The Engineers have been around for at LEAST many Millions of Years.

*It is Unlikely that the Earth is the ONLY place that they Seeded and Visited.

The Engineers Navigation System showed other Galaxies, if i Remember right i recalled about 9, but it could be a bit more or less.  IF they have these in their Navigation Systems i think it means they can TRAVEL to other Galaxies and if they have say 7-10 in that Navigation System they could have MORE than that... as FAR as what they can Visit.

IF they can Traverse to other Galaxies then surely they can Reach anywhere in our Galaxy.  The above Image i have taken a Section that is 3700LY give or take and ZOOMED it in as this Area is where the Earth is and bound to be where the Franchise took place... The TINY RED DOT is what Covers a 50LY Area...

THIS is just a Needle in the Haystack to the Engineers.

"Big Things have Small Beginnings"

The Franchise inc Prequels may have Confined us to say 50LY but the PLOT of the Engineers can Expand to a IMMENSE amount of the Universe, so many Potential Worlds and Races and Horrors.

It would be WASTED to just go and say.. ok Engineers on LV-223 Gone, Engineers on Planet 4 Gone... NO more Engineers.

@MonsterZero

RS did say the ALIEN Franchise could be like where the Star Wars and Star Trek are NOW.. and people LAUGHED at his Comment.

However... what if he meant in Context to if we have these Engineers who for Hundreds of Millions of Years have been Creating Life across the Galaxy and they can also GO TO other Galaxies...  then that means SO MANY WORLDS..

What Races, are all of them Engineer Creations? What Conflicts?  What Horrors?

With the Prometheus Plot we LET the Franchise out of that Small RED Box!

It would be  CRIME for them to think SOD that.... lets go back to LV-426 and the Derelict and PUT the Franchise back in that TINY BOX..... more so if its a OH! and Ripley will LEAD the Charge because Alien 3 had NEVER Happened.

The Franchise has the Potential to be BIGGER than the Xenomorph and Ripley... just have they got the BALLS anymore?

Oh anyway MonsterZero my POINT is that within the Revelation of the Engineers, then the ALIEN Franchise could Expand to Offer just as MANY would be Races as Star Wars and Star Trek ;)

Regarding the Xenomorph....

I think regardless of HOW it ENDS up on the Derelict and WHO would have Created It....   can we really just ASSUME that the Derelict was the ONLY such Ship that was LOADED with the Cargo?

We see the Engineers have been messing about with STUFF on LV-223 and we have at least 5 of those Complexes, do all of them Contain the SAME BLACK GOO?  Do all of them have the same Mural/Fresco?

Or could EACH of them have a Different Variant of Experiments?

We know they LIKELY had Results... and so would such Beasts had been Stored and Transported to some Place?

We have seen the Black Goo was able to Mutate Life and Create Horrors we can Draw some Connection to the Xenomorph with... Hammerpede, Trilobite/Deacon and Neomorph.

What becomes of LV-223 from 2100-2150?

Is this the ONLY place the Engineers had Experimented on and Created Horrors?

Is Planet 4 the ONLY place that has suffered a Bombardment of the Bio-Weapon?

So there could be other EGGS or related Horrors out in the Galaxy, that are YET to be Discovered.

I think the MAIN way they Painted themselves into a Corner is that its Logical that we would Eventually go and Connect to ALIEN.  Which means that Eventually we would see Davids Creation become Evolved somewhat and END UP on a Engineer Ship that would END UP in the Zeta 2 System.

Likely had been going to LV-223 or Leaving LV-223 before the Space Jockey gets a BAD CASE of Indigestion ;)

I think that there are OPTIONS to do a ALIEN Movie where we DONT have to Retcon or Reboot or bring back Ripley.

ALIEN is our First Introduction to the Franchise, and Special Order 937 came about some HOW and i think with the Prequels it may have SHOWN us HOW that came to be, and so the Company was AWARE of something on LV-426.

With ALIENS we go back to LV-426 some 57 Years and it seems the Company at Present have NO knowledge about the Derelict...  It is only when the Coordinators are SENT to Hadleys Hope that the Jordons go to Investigate that the FALL of Hadleys Hope begins to the Point that after Two Weeks the Company has Heard NOTHING.

Would the Company had just Abandoned trying to Investigate LV-426 after the Nostromo Mission?

If you consider the Prequels this would seem UNLIKELY unless they can Obtain Something from another Location that is Connected to the Prequels.

But i have brought this up before....

What Caused this Damage?

With Prometheus we saw the Juggernaught took a Good HIT and had Rolled on the Ground and YET it had NO SIGNS of Major Damage.

The Derelict we are led to that it Crash Landed and again it seemed Intact!

So with the Damage we see in ALIENS when the Jordons go to the Derelict, this is OPEN to Wonder as to HOW this Happened?

Another Plot/Story that would Eventually Conclude with a ATTEMPT to BLOW UP the Derelict with POWERFUL EXPLOSIVES could be HOW the Damage had Occurred.

The Result of this could have KICKED UP a lot of Dust and Debris etc so they would ASSUME they had Destroyed or Rendered the Derelict as VOID!

There could have been a COVER UP to Erase All the Information about LV-426 and the Derelict... that when the Company had began to Build Hadleys Hope they was NOT aware of the Derelict.

So again there is a Potential Avenue for a ALIEN Movie.

There are others... the Franchise does-not have to be DEAD and it does not have to Resurrect Ripley again.

If the sacrificial Engineer in Prometheus is seeding Earth, then the Engineers must have been around for more than 4,5 billion years. Wouldn’t they have developed more? Mankind has only existed for about 4,5 million years and we are soon populating Mars.

One problem with the Engineers travelling to other galaxies is, of course, the distances. If I remember correctly, it took David and Shaw about 11 months to travel to Planet 4 (which is not that far off). Are they using wormholes to other galaxies?

Where have the Engineers been for the last 2000 years? Were they confined to Planet 4? They never revisited LV-223 (I assume the snoozing Engineer would have been found) and they never revisited Earth. Why didn’t some other Engineers carry out the extinction of mankind?

We have the enigma of the Space Jockey. To make some sense of it all, it seems likely that an Engineer travelled from LV-223 around the time of the outbreak with the intention of wiping out mankind. He didn’t make it, though, since he was attacked by a facehugger probably from the cargo hold. He crash-landed on LV-426. If there were other juggernauts leaving LV-223 at the time of the outbreak with biological weapons aboard, where did they end up?

In order to make some sense of the xenomorph, it must be just one of many outcomes: Deacon, neomorph, ultramorph, xenomorph. The mutagen has the potential (or necessity) of creating these kinds of creatures. They are the bioweapon? That is why the “perfect” organism is portrayed on the wall in the Head Room? The question is, of course, if the mutagen “creates” the perfect organism, or, the perfect organism is out there somewhere and the Engineers managed to get some DNA from this creature and concocted the mutagen from it? If the latter is the case, then there might be a homeworld somewhere for the ancestor of the xenomorph?

"57 Years"

Cool name for a Alien tv series. 

Have the series focus on the Nostromo's disappearance.

Have a team of insurance investigators track down what happened.....There are still plenty of eggs on Lv-426 for them to find.

Pavonis Parker is searching for his dad (or at least his remains) ?

"The Nostromo Report" 

X-files type drama. (Must be thousands of odd sightings in deep space....most of them xeno related. )

@MonsterZero

We had similar PLOT for Alien Isolation

I am NOT sure they would WAITED say 57 Years to Investigate the Nostromo, i would ASSUME that at some point after NO-CONTACT they would either Conclude the Ship is LOST or maybe they had Investigated or some way they Discovered it was Destroyed Prior.

Ripley had left a LOG about the Nostromo and maybe this was Transmitted and Picked Up eventually so the Company would be AWARE of the Fate of the Nostromo...  Makes you Wonder if this was the case, as to IF or WHY NOT had they gone to TRY and find the Escape Shuttle (Narcissus) rather than just picking it up 57 Years after as it was Floating at the Outer Rim.  Regardless then NO soon as they recover Ripley then they would be AWARE of the Fate of the Nostromo.

Surely maybe someone Related could have wanted to know WHAT had Happened to their Family Member from the Nostromo but this is something that Alien Isolation had done with Amanda.

I think if we IGNORE the Prequels for a Moment, then looking at ALIEN and the 57 Years to ALIENS. And the Aftermath to both 2122 and 2179 then we have to Wonder would the Company simply just NOT take a Interest in going back?

Firstly to cover the Later Event.... its likely Patna picked up a Distress Message/Information from the Sulaco after the Incident that lead to the Survivors being Evacuated off the Ship.  And so it could be on a Intercept Course to the Sulaco before getting the Message from Fury 161 which lead to the Patna going to that place to ATTEMPT to Obtain the Specimen from Ripley.

After that was  BUST.... i think the USCSS Patna would surely go to LV-426 to Survey the Destruction of Hadleys Hope and Probe the Surface for signs of the Derelict to assess the Viability of the Ship and IF there is anything to Salvage.

IF not then surely at some-point the Company or others would go to Investigate LV-426..... Regardless of WHICH then IF this Proves to be a BUST then this Closes a Avenue to a Specimen and Potential Story/Movie.

If they do Attempt to Salvage something this can OPEN UP a Avenue to Explore (it seems this could be the ROUTE that Blomkamps Alien V had taken).

NEXT... we go to the Aftermath of ALIEN would the Company (or other) had SENT another Mission to LV-426?  Again this is whats implied with the Alien Isolation Plot.

But if the Games are NOT to be Canon, then i think when we look at the Damage to the Derelict in Aliens we have to ask HOW did this Happen?  Storms? Volcanic or Seismic Activity?  

I DOUBT IT.

Looking at the Damage to me it looks more likely to be either.

1) Damage from a Meteor Strike.

2) Damage from some Missile Strike (or Similar)

3) A Explosion from Inside maybe via a Attempt to BLOW UP the Derelict?

When looking at Option 3 this Provides a Avenue for a Movie, Comic or Game!

So there are Avenues to another Movie where they dont have to Continue/Connect the Prequels, where the dont go and Continue after Alien Resurrection and where they CERTAINLY dont have to Retcon anything and make Alien 3 onward NOT HAPPEN!

However... ONCE you apply the Prequels (or Reboot) then you GREATLY increase Avenues for another ALIEN MOVIE.

@Chli

Where do i START ;)  You raise Good Points i think a LOT of Problems came from the Decision with Alien Covenant...

IF they had gone with something like the Plot/Idea i had as to WHERE it would be that David and Dr Shaw go then these Conflicts would be Reduced.  Because i was taking them to a FAR FAR Place, like 10'000LY at least maybe even 50-60'000..... WHY maybe another Galaxy!

Going Further means maybe they DONT go and Arrive for a LONG TIME and the Events of Aliens/Alien 3 have Passed by the Time they ARRIVE... so any Aftermath could SPILL out to after the events of Alien Resurrection so you DONT go and Conflict the Franchise.

But then a Problem we also see and its NOT limited to the Prequels but the Prequels are more GUILTY is it seems they DONT go and Consider as to HOW the Plot could Effect the Future or Conflict/Contradict the Franchise.

"If the sacrificial Engineer in Prometheus is seeding Earth"

Ridley Scott said it does-not have to be Earth... so this could be at ANY Point and even another World... he had said this was JUST how the Engineers Seed Worlds and so at some point the Engineers would have done Similar on Earth, maybe Multiple Times and maybe they EVOLVED the Process ;)

But YES they would likely have to be Hundreds of Millions of Years OLD at the Very Least... likely Much Older.  And so its a Good Question to HOW COME their Technology has NOT really Advanced much in Millions of Years or the Engineers themselves!

"One problem with the Engineers travelling to other galaxies is, of course, the distances."

They could have WORM HOLES that maybe are Natural or Engineered at Certain Points in the Galaxy... Portals they can Access?  Maybe at the Center of the Galaxies?

Otherwise then YES it would take VERY LONG to get to other Galaxies but thats maybe WHY they have Cryo-Pods.  If the SHIP has Technology to Reach Galaxies in Short Time then Travel in our Galaxy would NOT take Long!

Looking at Planet 4 it seems Close to Zeta 2, it Certainly would seem its not Hundreds of Light Years.... this is a PLOT Convenience for the Covenant Plot.

However i dont think it took the Juggernaught say 11 Months...  It had taken the Covenant something near that to get to Planet 4 from Earth...  this would make the Juggernauts much SLOWER than the Covenant.

Dr Shaw had left the SOS/Warning Message saying it was January 1st 2094 we can maybe Assume this was WHEN they Left, but she could have SENT this LIKELY via the Lifeboat, then had set off on the ATV to go to GET another Ship.

The Crossing we see the Ship is Floating... David is in TWO Pieces and Dr Shaw has had some Hair Growth i would Estimate she had been on the Ship for 6-10 Months before her and David had SET the Course to Planet 4 and Dr Shaw was placed in Cryo-Sleep

We dont know for sure HOW FAR away it is to Planet 4 but its within a Year for the Covenant i dont recall any information is Given.   We have the Advent which places the Signal near the Zeta Reticuli system but with a Point in the SKY does not mean its close in LY to Zeta 2/LV-426.

Just Checked and IF we can take the Information from Alien Covenant Draft as Accurate then Planet 4 is over 250LY away.  But Considering that as Canon... means the Covenant is WAY more Quicker than the Nostromo and in the Time the Nostromo would go from LV-426 to Earth the Covenant would cover like 6X the Distance and YET is Older.

Anyway i am Babble On a bit... to the Point i would ASSUME the Juggernaught would reach Planet 4 in say 3-5 Weeks at the Very Most.

"Where have the Engineers been for the last 2000 years?"

This is a Great Point, after the Outbreak those who WISHED to have us Destroyed would maybe have been all KILLED (Maybe Bar the Last Engineer) or they had Decided to Abandon Earth and the USE of the Bio-Weapon.

They likely thought "Screw the Earth Humans... without our Help they WONT go and Advance and maybe we would even go Backwards and also Eventually Destroy ourselves"  In their Arrogance i think they would ASSUME we would NEVER go on to Advance to what we have and would remain as Technologically Advanced as we was 2000+ Years ago.

The Engineers could Visit Worlds that are Vastly FAR apart he had Indicated they Seed Worlds and Attempt to Reset/Destroy them then they would come back every Few Hundred Years.  It would be LIKELY that LV-223 and everything they was doing there had been ABANDONED.

And Earth was on the Naughty List where we are Abandoned and Left to ROT!   Why CARE about  us if they have maybe MANY other Worlds with Humanoid Creations of even Humans?  We cant RULE that out.!

"If there were other juggernauts leaving LV-223 at the time of the outbreak with biological weapons aboard, where did they end up?"

I think this Depends on IF we Consider that AC is Canon.

*Have the Engineers used the Bio-Weapon we saw on LV-223 on other Worlds, even as a TEST?  If so then WHAT had become of these Worlds and WHERE are they?  This is a Avenue for a Story/Plot ;)

*Prior to the Outbreak had they Decided to Eradicate all Humans or Similar they have in the Galaxy and so maybe some Ships Left before the Outbreak had Started?  Or was their ANGER only with Earth in which case we know that NO SHIPS had Managed to Reach us so maybe the Outbreak had PUT a Stop to the Engineers Plans Totally?

Looking at prior to AC then YES at that Time we had RS go and Explain the Space Jockey, he indicated the Event Happened likely a Few Hundred Years after the Outbreak as something EVOLVED in the Cargo Hold and Infected the Pilot, this Most Likely Happened prior to Leaving LV-223, but could have Happened shortly after Departure..

The Space Jockey knowing he was Infected had Set Course to Baron LV-426 to Quarantine the Bio-Weapon/Cargo.

IF we consider AC as Canon this would Indicate at some point in the Future between 2105-2122 then the Experiments of Davids are either being Taken to LV-223 to Study but Evolve and get to the Pilot who only makes it to LV-426..... OR we have  Davids Creations taken to LV-223 to be Evolved and  then the Derelict would LEAVE to go somewhere but ONLY gets as FAR as LV-426

Regardless of if we take AC as Canon, or Prometheus or IGNORE the Prequels.... then it does-not matter which we Consider, we have to ask WAS the Derelict the ONLY ship that had the Eggs?  We cant 100% Rule out that other Ships had them to REGARDLESS of what Scenario/Canon we are going for ;)

"the Engineers managed to get some DNA from this creature and concocted the mutagen from it?"

Certainly is Possible.... the Fresco and Mural where Interesting in Prometheus and IF we take a Look at Alien Engineers/Genesis then it seems to IMPLY that the Engineers back in that Draft had USED their Creation Tool on something they Encountered to go and Create/Experiment on Various Horrors.

In those Drafts it seems  the Holloway Morph was the ORIGIN to those Experiments.... when we get to PROMETHEUS then we can Speculate... and Wonder.. was the FRESCO what was the ORIGIN?

All Interesting things to maybe have had Answers.... where a Movie/Plot to LV-223 could have Provided instead of giving us Alien Covenant ;)

Well, David and Shaw have 5 days to collect things (extremely dangerous because of the lurking Deacon) and find the juggernaut. To get to the other juggernaut, they must pass through the pyramid so they must have seen something. Was it empty? Were there Engineer bodies scattered about with holes in their chests? Were there rooms with urns or perhaps with strange-looking eggs?

They leave LV-223 on the 1st of January and arrive at Planet 4 in December the same year. This is a time span of roughly 11 months. We don’t know how long the trip from LV-223 to Planet 4 took. We have to consider earning trust, how much food and water there is, and Shaw’s hair (which could be just something they didn’t care about when filming “The Crossing”). I can’t imagine them having the juggernaut on the ground for months, like a house, walking in and out with a hungry Deacon lurking about (it doesn’t matter if they don’t know about it).

If the juggernaut had been just floating about in space for, say, 10 months, what would be the point in putting Shaw to sleep when there is just 1 month left? Did the food supply suddenly run out? Also, you get the impression that David is alone for a long time (which he, sort of, points out himself) and during that time he learns about the ways of the Engineers.

As we have discussed before, we have a time span of about 18 years. During this time, the experiments of David’s should evolve and make their way to LV-426 in time for the Nostromo to arrive. David himself says that he is on his way to Origae-6 and he has about 2000 colonists and about 1100 embryos to experiment upon. He might, of course, stop by on LV-223 to refuel mutagen.

If we look at just the plot and the characters, it was probably a wrong decision not to continue the story of Ripley, Hicks and Newt. If we don’t focus on deeper questions, there is also a story to be told about what happened to Daniels and Tennessee and the rest of the colonists, or are we supposed to conclude that David murdered them all in his experiments?

@Chli

without trying to get Bogged Down in Speculation of Circumstances from 2094-2105 as its been Covered in other Topics (i mean No Disrespect as i would discus these in a Relevant Topic), i Feel the Relevance to this TOPIC is merely to Determine the Distances that a Engineer Juggernaught can Traverse per Year.

I think that we can Safely Assume that about 11 Months Past since the Juggernaught left LV-223 Atmosphere and Entered Planet 4 Atmosphere but as David said he has been on Planet 4 for 10 Years that may NOT be Exact to the Day... so lets say we are looking at 10-12 Month Ball-Park instead of 11.

Regardless HOW FAR it is to Planet 4 we can Assume via the Covenant Recycle Charges and Amount that Remain to Origae-6 that they Suffered the Neutrino Burst again about 11 Months into their Mission, and Planet 4 was a Few Weeks Further.  But again lets PLACE the Journey from Earth to Planet 4 within the 10-12 Month Ball Park.

From the ADVENT we are lead to the Signal Originated in a Area that is NOT FAR from where the Zeta Reticuli Binary System is Located in the SKY!  But we have to Bear in Mind that just because a STAR may seem close to another in the SKY then the Distances could be GREAT and so we CANT go and Assume Planet 4 is maybe 40-50LY, looking at the Drafts it could be at least 250LY Away.

Now the Covenant had Re-Charged/Suffered Damage a Few Weeks from Planet 4 and so the Covenant was Traveling in the Vicinity of the Zeta Reticuli System (Well a Area near the same Location in the SKY) so on its Course to Origae-6 it was Traveling Past this Area of the Galaxy/Star Charts.  And so the Covenant had taken say 11-12 Months (well maybe 45-50 Weeks) from Earth to Planet 4

While David had taken maybe 40-50 Weeks from when they Departed the Surface LV-223 to Planet 4 again we dont know HOW FAR it is 100% from LV-223 to Planet 4 but the Covenant would likely have Passed by the Zeta Reticuli System by say 10-20LY lets Estimate?  My Point being that the Covenant likely had a Extra 30-50LY to Travel within that Approx 11 Months than David had from LV-223 in about the same amount of Time.

Looking at that does this mean the USCSS Covenant is FASTER than a Engineer Juggernaught?  It really would depend on HOW LONG had the Juggernaught been Floating before Dr Shaw had Fixed David and then she was Placed in Cryo-Sleep and then HOW LONG had David been Planing and Studying the Engineers Ways before he SET COURSE to Planet 4..... did he take the SHIP at Full Speed?  Did he take it SLOW and the Scenic Route we just cant be 100% sure.

I think when we Consider the Engineers Plot and they have been Seeding Worlds for Many Millions of Years... Hundreds at Least...  and RS had said maybe the Juggernaught Technology is Millions of Years Old.

I FAIL to see how such a Advanced Race would NOT be able to Traverse Space at Greater Speeds than a Human Colony Ship.

But this does-not mean the Engineers Ships can Travel say Hundreds of Light Years per Year.... we know they have Cryo-Pods that sustained a Engineer for at Least 2000 Years... thats HANDY for Traveling say Thousands of Light Years if you Ships are NOT really so FAST

Regarding the other Galaxies i cant see them having these in the Navigation System if they CANT go to them, but maybe it takes them TENS of Thousands of Years or Hundreds of Thousands?

IF the Ships dont have any kind of Technology to OPEN say Wormholes or Gateways/Portals....  then i would SUSPECT that throughout the Galaxy there could be such THINGS that the Engineers can reach and USE to get to other Galaxies.

If so then do these Gateways require Engineer Technology to Activate?  If NOT then should a Human Ship discover such Wormhole/Gateway then WHO KNOWS to where they could Travel!  Which OPENS up the Franchise.

The Points i have Raised in Context to the Engineers are that i FEEL its Unlikely  and a Missed Opportunity that the ONLY Places connected to them and were they have BEEN/ARE is Limited to Planet 4, LV-223 and Earth and so within a 50LY from Earth or Potentially 250-300LY to Planet 4 thats a DROP in the Ocean of where i EXPECT the Engineers to be able to Explore.

I am not sure the Sequel to AC is so Relevant to the TOPIC as i was mainly looking at HOW/WHERE we can go in the Alien Franchise if we dont go to LV-223, Planet 4 or Origae-6

But the Process from AC to ALIEN seems to require at Least 2 Movies, it would seem David would be off to Origae-6 first..... in a Movie about A.I and Creation and NOT about the Xenomorph...  But the Engineers will return and be after David and there would be other Parties too...

It is likely the After-Math of that would give us WHERE our Derelict/Engineer Ship could come into Play.

What becomes of Daniels and Tennessee who knows... Daniels is a Problem for David shes Knows who he is... if he makes her Disappear then Tennessee could get Suspicious so its a BIT of a Pickle.!

What they should have done is have Daniels go into Cryo-Sleep and be TOTALLY unaware... as she goes Under then WALTER says Sleep Tight dont let the Bed Bugs Bite in Davids Accent and the Revelation is Revealed to the Viewer but Daniels is NONE the Wiser so they Wrote themselves into a corner with that ONE.

I cant see the Prequels being Finished... although i do have a WORK AROUND IDEA ;)  and YES it has NO DAVID!

" it was probably a wrong decision not to continue the story of Ripley, Hicks and Newt."

With Respect i dont agree, this would be a PANIC of Running Out of Ideas and Lack of Imagination.

HOWEVER.... there are a Number of Fans who was REALLY Excited about Blomkamps Alien V and Felt that it was INSULT and a Waste of Opportunity to go and KILL off Hicks and Newt (if i came on board during the Writing/Production of ALIEN 3 i would have had the Chest Buster come from Newt... that would be Shocking and the LOSS to Ripley and Hicks would Elevate their Characters.... i would have had Hicks be the ONLY Survivor as he is taken away on the USCSS Patna but you can then have HICKS go and VOW that he will do EVERYTHING to make sure NO ONE will get their Hands on a Xenomorph again.... so the Torch is Passed to Hicks) But ALAS!

As i was about to say.... Ripley and Eggs/Xenomorphs and the Queen are more Familiar and Associated with ALIEN Franchise to the General Public and so YES it could be that DISNEY could see this as the SAFE BET!

But WHAT kind of Plot do you have? And after WHAT do you do as Sequels?

I think that Blomkamps Alien V and Red Harvest Project could WORK.... but they DONT need to have any of the ALIENS Cast for it to Work.

MonsterZero,

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"Alien3 felt like episode 7 of season 2..the prison planet episode."

Christmas came early this year LOL please keep up the good work and deliver more presents!!!

We have the problem of what might please a majority (economically satisfying) and what would please (some) fans (even avid fans have different opinions about the franchise).

There are, at least, four things to consider in an eventual sequel:

* Much action (Aliens)

* More creepy atmosphere (Alien)

* Deeper questions (Prometheus)

* The story arc (Aliens continued the story of Alien; AC continued the story of P etc.)

Even James Cameron expressed doubt about killing off the main characters of Aliens in Alien 3. There was a special bond between Ripley, Newt and Hicks - a potential family.

So, do we want more episodic films without continuation of the story but only connection to the “Alien Universe” or do we want to see what happens to the main characters: David, Daniels, Tennessee, Ripley, Hicks, Newt?

“Anakainosis” roughly means “to think in a new way”. But often we want the same thing, e.g. things connected to tradition. Every year Santa Claus brings Christmas presents. A film, novel or short story usually have the same dramatic structure: exposition, rising action, climax, falling action, denouement.

But I think the most important question is if we want a continuation of the story and a denouement or do we want to leave this behind and search for answers to deeper questions within the “Alien Universe”?

You could have both, I suppose? :)

Thanks BlackAnt!

I'd like to see the franchise move away from planet based action for a couple of films. Superstructures, Hyper Space Gateways, Dyson spheres.

Planets are just not claustrophobic IMHO. Almost always a place to hide or run away. 

I understand planet based story is easy on the budget....but I think the green screen tech can handle a bizarre alien structures.

@BigDave

My 57 Years plot would start 6 months after Alien and involve Pavonis being a junior member of the team and  being part of the second group to encounter the derelict on LV-426.

They wouldn't even get to the space jockey until season 2 (2123)

Series would be more about what happened in the 57 year span. No Ripley or Amanda references at all...except a Rip[ley mention on the Nostromo crew manifest.

As for the 57-year time span between Alien and Aliens, there is the game Alien: Isolation and the novel by the same name. The USCSS Anesidora lands on LV-426 in 2137. Captain Marlow’s wife is facehugged and they bring her to Sevastopol Station. There, the xenomorph is born eventually leading to the destruction of the space station.

The interesting thing with this story is that they turn the beacon off which gives an explanation as to why W-Y hasn’t found the Derelict. It also explains why no others have been lured to LV-426. The trade route between Earth and Thedus was probably used extensively.