@dk and everyone - Bwaahahhahahahahahahahahaaahaahahhahahah

PWONED - LMAO "learn how to make 1.20 a minute!!!"

Ok serious time now......Big Dave is gone missing for real this time...anyone know or seen from Big Dave and if so let us know his where abouts.

Big Dave never goes missing for this long send out the search parties!

Does anyone think ________? I cannot even bring myself to say it.....for the love of GOD SOMEONE DO SOMETHING!!!!!

Nightmare this is an absolute nightmare....this is now starting to feel like the movie Alien...we are all on that ship!!!!!!

I think that I'm on a creative streak. How about this?

"I dug deep and put in a massive amount of work to... " dig the snot out of my nose. You can also get rich by doing it. ;)

BWW

Thanks! I would rather have them referencing her in AR rather than to have the Ripley-clone, at least it wouldn't have thrown crap at her character. One could argue that it wasn't really Ripley but at least it was a strong enough connection but I don't really like it is my point. Even though this isn't supposed to be about AR I got to say that there are so many things that are wrong with that movie so I won't bother to make a list, LOL! We could both probably come up with a kind of long list about what they did wrong.

About Giler and Hiller, you mention on a personal level. I don't know them so I can't say but I can tell you that my guess for what ever it's worth is that producers often can screw up a movie, Alien 3 being maybe the most extreme example of that. Fincher being disrespected by the studio is one of the few things that I don’t like about Alien 3.

You mention O’Bannon, Perfect Organism podcast is an Alien-podcast about the franchise. They interviewed Dianne O’Bannon, the one that he was married to. Here is the page where you can download that episode:

https://perfectorganism.podbean.com/page/5/

Less is more, I think that it's at its most effective where you don't really see what it does. This is partially why Alien works and honestly I don't mind that you don't see the monster that much because to me it's about the human experience anyways. When you see Daniels fight with it outside the ship in AC it’s a cool fight-scene but it’s kind of lame to show the monster out in the open so to me that scene is mixed so to speak. BWW, you’re a writer, can you explain to me that character-traits of Daniels? I didn’t get them when I watched AC she was a bit tough like Ripley but other than that I didn’t know what her personality was like. What’s your impression of her? Still after all these years I still scratch my head at that. Oram was a lot better than Daniels because at least I got an idea what he was about.

Instead of an Alien Covenant you could have it being around and them trying to escape it, or something. They can see signs of it (saliva or what ever) that makes them scared, but they don’t really see it, that could build tension and paranoia. Maybe they get so scared they start to question their sanity? Have it being so scary so it causes mental issues, how about that? Let it be about how you can start to doubt your sanity when you get really afraid.

Explaining it a bit more isn’t wrong but you mention where it came from and so on. Doesn’t that risk to strip it off its mystery? How will you handle that? I don’t say that it’s a bad thing but it’s risky. You mention an evolutionary-adaptive reason, that seems interesting. David made his own version but it is not The alien as you said, that’s my preferred way of looking at it.

dk

Ty for the spam reporting, I was kind of out of it then, wasn't sure what I was looking at.

BlackAnt

I agree with you and Thank-You for the URL checker link! I keep my system's security at near-maximum, and that allows me some pretty decent safety. 

BUT, you are RIGHT about playing it safe online!!

BTW LOVED the gifs!! :D

SuperAlien

Leto

BlackAnt

Having a 'spam report' button would be really handy!

As for BigDave, I am getting worried, and hope with all my heart and soul he's just away for a bit doing something he enjoys. I try not to think about other possibilities...

Thoughts_Dreams

ALIEN: Resurrection was a pure popcorn-movie-moneygrab, plain and simple. It had some fun and cool visuals, I enjoyed some of the characters and dialogue...but yeah, it was a pretty Obvious moneygrab.

Giler & Hill feed each other's egos, and seriously they are driven expressly by such. They EXPECT everyone to see things the way they see them and think like they do. Problem is, they're formula-driven dinosaurs and the formula they rely on has been obsolete for decades. Think of them as Prototypes of Rian Johnson and James Cameron...no real talent or creativity, they rip off ideas, mutilate them, then slap their name on the results and demand tribute from the audience to their 'genius'.

...and that's the NICEST things I can about those people.

I've seen other interviews with Dianne O'Bannon, and love her perspective on him!

The problem with Daniels is they tried to remake Ripley but with softer edges and a 'naivete' added in...they ended up with a decent but unfocused character. She did her best with that character I have to give the actress her due and respect on that!

Having the creature aboard the ship after the battle aboard the cargo lifter was actually anti-climactic. Instead, they should have had more time working their way out of the structure, lots of shadows, some only seem to move...others do, and the protomorph stalking them...and some close-calls.

**They stop for a break, catch their breath, and one is leaning against a pillar with deep shadows on either side of it...that LOOK like it's solid wall...then after they push onward, from that shadow and JUST missing the character who leaned against the pillar that character ALMOST gets grabbed by a hand...ALMOST touches him/her.**

ORIGIN is damn tricky, and while it does give some insight and backstory...it also really emphasizes just how genuinely ALIEN the creature is, and the raw power of Nature itself.

It actually makes The Alien that much more frightening, really.

I will say this; The world that gave rise to the Alien was a world entirely outside Human scientific experience or even the most extreme and fanciful hypotheses/theories.
The world gave rise to Carbon and Silicon based life, which in time hybridized in many--but NOT all cases--giving rise to a planetary biosphere and ecologies that are...very challengingly ALIEN.
It has taken enormous work to put a foundation under it...going all the way back to the origin-point of life on that world...and it didn't involve the Engineers whatsoever, I assure you.

The above isn't a 'spoiler'...consider it a Primer. :D

The David-Protomorph...it's a big, mindless, rampaging animal with less smarts than a broken parking meter.

The Alien, is so much More. ;)

If we are looking at putting the BigChap in a coffin then we might as well look at how we got here.....

Alien.....space truckers get woke up by evil computer and get chased around ship unit the last one is left and out the air lock he goessssssssssssss....I really really really like a nice little bow wrapping it all up in the end....nice and neat.

Aliens.......this guy has more friends to help him chase the landing party/crew all over the place here and there and then the twist. One crew member goes back for the little brat, I would have had Bishop making cocktails on the Sulaco after dealing with just one of those things 40 years ago!!! Vaya Con Dios BABY GURLl! BUT THAT IS JUST HOW I ROLL! LOL ;) 

I would have just literally gone back up to the safety of the marine ship and got drunk, for a very long time, after all that nonsense and.....

have Bishop give me a nice pedicure - a GURL can dream right LOL!!!!

Anyway our protagonist goes back down gets BABYGURL and flushes MOMMA ALIEN OUT THE AIR LOCK AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

2nd Time PEOPLE! Just sayin it's a little sus now!

 

Alien 3....our protagonist gets chased around and around, and around, again because hey why not someone lets it out!!!!
Ok then she bites the bullet in a bigOLLLL swan dive! Love a nice neat little bow at the end to wrap it all up.

Alien 4 - @#$%!^@%#^@&@#$*@#$# This sure is some confusing @sssss shit now! LOOOOOL

SHE IS THE ALIEN NOW AND GETS CHASED AROUND THE SHIP UNTIL THEY SQUEEZ A Bigger CHAP OUT AGAIN!!!

AGAIN WHATS WITH THE DECOMPRESSION....YOU WOULD THINK THESE ALIENS KNOW ALL ABOUT THE DECOMPRESSION MOVE!!! NO! NO THEY DON'T BUT THE AUDIENCE DOES~! SMALL PROFFESSIONAL SCREEM! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! All better now. 

Prometheus - crew looks around too much as usual, cause hey why not! gotta have a look around! and then one is left and gets chased by the BIG BLUE lookin guy....bet his tee off on the 9th is spectacular with big-0LLLL guns like that!

Alien Covenant.....this is a more traditional lets look around......awe geee because we are here anyway and then they too all get hit over the head one by one....hint, even the evil robot is in on it too, and then two of them get chased....GET READY FOR IT....BRACE YOURSELFS....THOSE TWO GET CHASED TO AN AIRLOCK WHERE THE DECOMPRESSION STARTS AND THIS BIGCHAP GETS SUCKED INTO THE VACUM OF SPACE AGAIN!!!!!!!.....and much to our amazement, the nice woke Gen Y generation....yep she fakes him out this super predator right out just at the right MOMENT because its GEN Y and they got it like that - they faked us right out of our cash again at the box office too! Then she goes and has a drink and some pancakes.....before bedtime....DOUBLE FAKE....poor Gen Y you almost had us think THAT WOKE BS was believable.

I have a theory why this is happening! I call it the "Oh Shit I found a spot on my favorite clothing, have to try and wash that shit out!" Plot routine.

OBTW the alien-predictor moves are all the same too.

Everyone gets chased one by one and then there is a battle - interestingly no WOOOOOSH at the end though - RED PILL OR BLUE PILL? The Matrix is real people!

So that is how we got here flushing the BigChap down the box office toilet because we did not use the right stain remover....if it says on the tube will remove Alien, and when to push the right button to decompress the area....you most likely have one of those cheap department store Alien removers! Do not buy that BS! This is for you too Gen Y, can see you shaking your heads out there saying..."We don't fall for stuff like that - too woke for that BS!!! AHHHHH MORE BS FROM GEN-Y!!!"

There are other better stain removers....or if you are privileged!!!! you just go buy a NEW SHIP and NEW CREW and you keep the disco ball going round and round.....but most of us are on that budget so its some cheap, really cheap cheap cheap - stain remover.....or a trip to try and find some even cheaper stain remover that also will not work.

PLOT ANOMALY ALERT!!!! BRACE YOURSELVES!!!!!

A noteworthy departure from the norm because hey why not if you have the money and Privilege?"

Privileged Weyland does just that in AC. He buys a new ship new crew sleeps all the way there and sleeps all the way up until they walk right up to the BigChaps handler and then CONK like Donky Kong over the head no more privilege.....Gen Y secretly likes this part but does not know why....CLUELESS!!! But somehow Priceless for those older and wise enough to know better.

WooooooooooooooooSSSSSHHHHHHH! Sorry BigOLLChap! 

BONUS!!! GIVE THIS GUY SOME LOVE AND SUPPORT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXSH05wqraU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQP3TqjftVM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D38MyN5GkXM

 

 

BlackAnt

Yeah, you nailed it alright. 

And you also pointed out everything I WON'T be doing in the ALIEN: Manticore sequel...

Because The Audience Deserves BETTER.

That's how I see it. That's what I run with.

In Space, There Is No Place To Run.

BWW

You are right about AR, I think that is one of the things that it did wrong. Actually they mentioned exactly that at a podcast when they said that what they disliked about it. One of the hosts put the comedy-thing as something that he disliked. What's hilarious about that episode is that no one put anybody down for disliking it, that got me laughing. :D

Daniels as being an unfocused character, I can see that. Maybe that was why I didn't really understood her character? The problem is that I got to understand what the character is about from the start and if they will change then I got to see what that change is. With Daniels I saw traits but she was too vague. I want characters where I can understand their personality preferably some minutes into the movie from when they are introduced. After that the character might change (Darth Vader is a perfect example of that) but done in a way so I understand their personality, their motivation, for example. If they fail with that in the writing and/or execution then I won't like it.

The only movie by Rian Johnson that I've watched is The Last Jedi. I got frustrated that they killed Luke, that’s my biggest problem with it but it's enough for me to not watch it again. Unfortunately there were other things in it that I didn’t like but that was my biggest problem. Not sure if I will watch any of his other movies, it was a bad introduction to him as a writer since he wrote it (I looked it up). Doing things in a different way hasn't got to be bad, it depends on what you do and how you do it.

James Cameron, I’ve watched Avatar, Terminator 1 & 2, Aliens, and Titanic. Those movies are good for entertainment, but they’re not bad.
I like the idea of just seeing shadows, that would’ve been creepy. It could be like you see something but you’re not sure what. That could be creepy and fit an alien-movie, they should maybe try it.

Other kind of biospheres could be interesting, maybe there are environments where the alien are better suited for? They are very hard to kill (acid for blood and what not). What if there are places where they get even deadlier? I don’t think that it’s simply to just do that, it would be like making an action-movie and improve it by adding more guns, you need more than that but at least it’s an idea among other things that you could play around with.

You mention carbon-based life, carbon is on earth and is therefore familiar. The trick I think is to take something in nature (if we talk sci-fi) and twist it enough so it feels unfamiliar and therefore scary. My point is that it’s possible but it takes some work.

“The Alien, is so much More. ;)”

Fair enough, the thing is to make it work.

Thoughts_Dreams

 I reach beyond.

I spoke of carbon and Silicon based life as well as Hybridization.

"I will say this; The world that gave rise to the Alien was a world entirely outside Human scientific experience or even the most extreme and fanciful hypotheses/theories.
The world gave rise to Carbon and Silicon based life, which in time hybridized in many--but NOT all cases--giving rise to a planetary biosphere and ecologies that are...very challengingly ALIEN.
It has taken enormous work to put a foundation under it...going all the way back to the origin-point of life on that world...and it didn't involve the Engineers whatsoever, I assure you.

The above isn't a 'spoiler'...consider it a Primer. :D"

 

 In contemplating 'where' The Alien came from...I built a world, and an entire planetary Biosphere. 

All of which 'reverse engineered' from The Alien. 

WHY does it have the Omnicorrosive liquid?
WHY do facehuggers have the ability to secrete acid and burn through a faceplate?
WHY does The Alien have such an Alien life cycle and Ovomorphing?
These and about a thousand other points--I am NOT exaggerating--needed to be answered.

 Not that anyone really cares...but I will complete ORIGIN and let YOU, the Audience decide from there.

Frankly though, I expect folks to follow the Narrative that David created the Xenomorphs and time-travel allows him to be The Space Jockey.

Whatever...NOT my problem. I will finish it, and leave it to the Audience.

 

Now, about the fucktard...and this is the nicest that I have to say about Cameron...
Cameron's a hack...at best. Avatar, he ripped off battles of Native Americans vs US Army (Battle of Wounded Knee) and dressed it up with visual Fx.

 I am Metis, Half-Blood Native (Blackfoot) and we see right through Cameron's crap.
He STOLE our history and redressed it to be 'Avatar'.
Terminator, he stole from Harlan Ellison.

Cameron's a thief, and a pathetic wanker-boi with an ego that just doesn't stop, and Avatar is so deep in the financial hole there's NO way it can ever be profitable.

Avatar is absolute garbage, pure and simple...it's a hate-crime vs. science fiction and Native History.

 

Indeed LETO

We have seen the Beast Changed/Explored Different especially if we look at the Hammerpede, Trilobite, Deacon and Neomorph oh and the New Born.

The Hybrid Xenomorphs in Alien R to a degree.

I was mainly talking about the more COMMON versions that are Depicted and Shown in all Medium so the ALIEN/ALIENS and AVP Versions...

The Xenomorph is Iconic but it its No Longer a Enigma and Alien Covenant is maybe Guilty of making it even LESS of a Enigma.

i think the Generic Xenomorph has to be Handled with Care i think you can bring it back for 2-3 more Movies but you have to get these SPOT ON and also i am not sure you can go for Longer than 2-3 more Movies unless you Evolve or Uplift the Beast a little.

The Future Success or Failure of the Franchise will NOT really be down to the Xenomorph itself..... Aesthetically or how it its Portrayed..

Seems its back to the DRAWING BOARD.... but its HOW FAR are Disney willing to go... i think it will be Generic but its HOW do they UPLIFT the Franchise after going back to the Xenomorph for 1-2 Movies?

Talking about something new, it would be interesting to explore the sinthmorph. An alien from android. I think this would be the real way in Alien: Awakening.

 

It would also be interesting to look at aliens, not as social insects with a hive and a queen, but as social spiders. Where everyone is on his own and with his own individuality, but for the sake of profit they act together.

"sinthmorph"

I think this is something we would have seen had RS been able to complete his Prequels as the Protomorph was a Work in Progress and you can BET we would have seen HOW the Mechanical Atheistic came into PLAY.

I think when we look at ALIENS then YES we do see a Hive Mentality they do ACT like Space Ants/Termites but they are more Intelligent than BUGZ.....  I have defended ALIENS quite a bit in that regard, even going as FAR as to say if we take the None DC version of ALIEN then the Xenomorph in the First Movie was more DUMB than some claim that Camerons Xenomorphs where.

Their Nature/Object was Simplistic.... SURVIVAL.

But this is the Case with MOST of the LIFE on Earth.

No Desire, Ambition, Hate or Love... No Individuality... these are what MAKE us Mankind Different.

These Traits can make us more Successful and Achieve more as a Species but they are ALSO our Downfall!

Xenomorphs that become Independent rather than for the Greater Good of the Species and IF they gain some Human Traits..... could lead to a DOWN FALL in their Survival as Conflict could arise!

But thats NOT to say that Exploring such would NOT be interesting.... it could be a way Forwards... the Question is this a Evolutionary Path or a Engineered One?