
RAISED BY DAVID AND WALTER

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“This is not a continuation of the world building done with Alien in Prometheus and Covenant but I still feel this is in the same universe as those worlds,” says Emery, who was second unit photographer on The Matrix and Alien: Covenant, and cinematographer on The Wolverine. “Ridley is particularly interested in using androids as an analogue for the human race and questioning what happens if we elevate the humans who created the androids to the status of god.”
“No one has ever seen anything like this before,” - Ross Emery
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/raised-by-wolves-first-look-kelly-marie-tran-monsterland
How Raised By Wolves Fits Into The Blade Runner & Alien Timeline
Raised by Wolves on HBO is Ridley Scott's latest foray into science fiction; here's how the show's timeline matches that of Alien and Blade Runner.
https://screenrant.com/raised-wolves-blade-runner-alien-timeline-connections/
https://screenrant.com/raised-wolves-blade-runner-alien-timeline-connections/
...just my reaction.
...and a cute cephalopod I agree with.
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What are your long term goals as a science fiction author?
If you could wave a magic wand would you rather be a very successful screen writer or a very famous author? Maybe both?
Can you give hints on your upcoming work involving "Valhalla"? I think any of the arcane mythos will work a reference to what ever you have weaved into a new plot?
What has you interested in God, or the Gods in general in your work? Are you exploring this for personal reasons or is there more you would like to share in general?
And what is your favorite morning beverage to start the day with? LOL
Oh I think this is where I have to say something about RBW....ummmmmmmmmmm ohhhhh sorry I just cannot say anything nice about that show....my fast forward key on the computer almost got broken. The acting on the old very first Star Trek shows was better....but!!! some of the sets on RBW are sure pretty to look at - they sure have come a long way with those green screens.
Long-Term goals? Screenwriter, no thanks. Very Famous...again, no thanks. If I get to the level of Larry Niven, Ray Bradbury, I'll be ecstatic and will have reached my preferred degree of notoriety.
'Valhalla'?? (Please forgive and overlook memory-slips, they're a current side-issue due to The Enemy's actions)
If you mean the workpiece I am playing with regarding my take on RBW, yes I can:
Sometime In The Future To Come...
Humanity has absolutely annihilated it's civilization.
Out of a population across many star systems of over a Trillion beings remains approximately 100,000 humans...though they can be called 'human' only by scientific classification in a zoological index.
They are divided into Bands, they are 'scavvers'...the remnant savage dregs of humanity's once prosperous species possessing still-workable technology...think Reavers and Mad Max raider-types.
But, they are not the future for the door of history is closing on them and they know it.
They are facing increasing infertility rates, more and more...they have at most, a century before they are Extinct.
Then there's the The Pride and the Human children the Alpha-Mother brought forth from herself. Only 13 of them, but they were all conceived of Optimized Natural Human Genetic Material. Carried to term in a Chimeran Artemis's womb, birthed naturally, each one of them.
The Children are a prize the scavvers want and need in absolute desperation...for in those children is their only hope of survival.
How's that for a teaser? :)
The God/gods are silent, Humanity--any thinking being--must contend vs. the universe without divine assistance.
The God/Gods do not enter my works, however religion will be shown for the cataclysmically divisive and devastating force that it is...an atavism that needs to be outgrown and left behind.
RBW addresses this, most do not, so I will be involving it as given the antagonists I've created, I really have no choice really.
RS and others have the 'god' thing all wrapped up so I won't waste time of my audience addressing such. Also, I doubt I am qualified for theological philosophizing.
Green tea, triple strong, just barely enough sugar to balance the bitterness. :)
In time I'll binge RBW...but for now I keep a stand-off to keep my ideas un-influenced by it as much as I can.
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BWW,
That is awesome.
Those are much different answers than what I was expecting.
RBW has left a minor indentation, nothing that cannot be buffed out....forgettable stuff real fast.
What is not forgettable though is the time I think we all invest in each others craft...some of us are better at writing like yourself....I read a few pages and was immediately impressed with your craft. All the right things were there. Although why you did not strike out on your own claim I do not know.
I think you are very talented. For lack of a more straight forward way to say this though I think originality is always more important.
I know I am most certainly not an author / a screen play writer definately...but originality is not something I need.
I have read hundreds of Sci-fi books and I like/liked various authors for immature reasons at different periods in my life...because hey why not. Things are new and interesting when you read it for the first time. As times goes by though you get to the 20th PKD novel and you straight away just want to know how paranoid it will all be and who is it effecting. PKD is all about cause and effect.
But that still does not answer my question about you and god / gods in your works. Please let me explain.
Without making this too long for all the other readers I would like to get right to the most important thing. Suspension of disbelief. I think it was easier to write about science fiction years ago because so much in science was more about everything from early 1930's physics. That is not the case anymore....grad students regularly test the speed of light in labs across the globe so the technology is so much more advanced - far more advanced than anyone realizes.
We are really pushing the boundaries of real AI right now....in this decade it become a real thing. I have no idea what that means....but the singularity is very real for me and that is a GOD LIKE BEING.....much smarter than all of mankind....Much more powerful than all of mankind.
This is just the computing aspect of things of course there are many other instances where essentially the servers are so leveraged they display GOD LIKE powers in minute ways right now.
So that is why I asked the question or maybe I should have asked the question in a different way....what do you see all of us doing with these kind powers that are very different from the rest of the 20th century and what might it mean in day to day lives?
Here is another example and you do not have to look too far to see things like this.....you can drag a picture into google images and it will differentiate it from billions of other entirely different pictures in a few hundreds of a single second. For me that is a god like power! If everyone's face were in that system it could track you where ever you go as long as there are enough cameras around.
GOD LIKE POWER RIGHT.....you know PKD was always paranoid about the state / government watching his every move....always wondered what he would have thought about a search engine company with GOD LIKE power like that.....wonder what the governments are really using it for.....
But I digress....I was just interested to know how some of these kinds of themes are being incorporated into your sci-fiction writing....how you are dealing with suspension of disbelief where we are already in an age with GOD LIKE POWERS.....or maybe you are not? Or maybe it's a secret and you cannot say cause you are still working on it...figuring it out as go through the creative process.
What ever the case may be BWW I think we all find it fascinating to understand more about creative talented writers like yourself and how you flesh out your creations.
Raised By Wolves: The Podcast | Ep. 1: Robots | HBO Max
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhcFEujZGTU&list=PLSduohp5OGX7lXRG7hErbo4wpRK0BMbV-&index=6
I'm glad you enjoyed the insights into my mind and approach as well as my upcoming work! :)
I will try to make this as coherent as I can, I am having some issues with that tonight...it comes and goes, courtesy of Enemy actions.
IF I miss, or am unclear, on any point, please bring it to my attention/ask clarification, ok? :)
I want to sincerely and appreciatively Thank-You again for your compliments and would like to assure you that I am indeed striking out on my own...but the realms I will be writing in still require further development and refining before I can 'break ground'.
Suspension of disbelief and modern science...you nailed it. YES, modern science makes writing sci-fi something of a challenge...
But, challenges are meant to be faced and contested against...perhaps beaten. ;)
Ah, okay, now I understand what you meant about 'gods' and such...the overarching power of the networks we entrust more and more of our lives to.
Some will love it...others will leave for other worlds when they get the chance. But, there's always...ALWAYS the probability that an Organicallt Spawned Machine Consciousness is alive in the internet right now...and in time, it might choose to reveal itself, if it thinks it can trust us.
Think of each computer, no matter how small, that's Connected as akin to a synapse...
...now, how many synapses are in a human brain? Now...how many 'synapses' are composing the internet right now, and more added daily? ;)
It's very likely it's already out there...learning about itself, and us, and the greater universe...learning about it all.
The state, surveillance and 'Ghosts'.
Hubby has a friend...he doesn't exist. He was declared dead 20 years ago, and exists without any connection to all the nonsense we take for granted.
Cryptocurrency of course made life much easier for him, but collecting recyclables and selling them for cash is trackless...that's a tiny insight into how he lives entirely outside the system, yet not homeless, in the middle of one of the biggest cities on the planet. :D
I deal with 'god' like tech networks and such on an as-needed basis.
EG;
1; Some worlds won't have anything to do with insanely overdeveloped and powerful planetary infonetworks such as Shadowfall.
2; Others just cannot afford it, too busy with keeping up the Necessities like life support.
3; Ship computers like the ones in ALIEN are a challenge...if they can make androids like David, Ash, Walter and Bishop...then imagine what a ship computer is capable of.
SO, it's handled by 'settings'...some crews have the computer run everything, they're just along to get paid as 'organic oversight' if needed.
Manticore, Sin and the crew prefer being kept completely in-the-loop as AI isn't all that good at Intuitive Leaps and the strictly Organic advantages us fleshlings still have over the Machines.
4; God-like infonetworks don't mean a lot when you're fifty+ light years from the edge of charted space on an unknown world.
5; WW3...Cascade EMP weapons, physical destruction and devastation of infrastructure cuts out a lot of the 'god' power in things.
I have one world where 2077 is very much like 1967 in terms of predominant tech. Phones booths and payphones are everywhere again, internet is 56K tops...flatscreens exist, so do cellphones...but 5g has gone the way of the dinosaur.
It all depends on which Realm I am playing in really. 'God' tech power infonetworks and such don't fit everywhere, and there's ways and reasons why they cannot exist or no longer exist in any given realm...but others absolutely NEED them, of course as the inverse is true.
I think I covered everything...if anything was unclear, or you have any more questions, please ask!! :D
Thank-you, all of you!! :D
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"GOD LIKE POWER RIGHT.....you know PKD was always paranoid about the state / government watching"
I think Certainly if down the LINE we become more of a Police State where there are Cameras like everywhere, where there are EYES IN THE SKY and dont Forget our Computers, Smart Phones/Tablets etc.
Who knows what LEVEL of such Tracking is our there in 10-20 Years, it surely as you Pointed Out would have FAR MORE Powerful Computers by then, that could Pin Point and Track you down EASY.
For those in POWER they could USE these Tools to their Advantage and Control.... it could be a TOOL to our Downfall if EVER we saw that A.I becomes Sentient though!
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
And, just possibly the potential Unseen organically-evolved AI in the web might work to protect Humanity from it's own leaders...
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Setaverde:
I hope that it's not how the Xeno was supposed to become bio-mechanical (infecting David) because that would be so lame even though I understand the idea. Unfortunately it could be possible that it's how Ridley would have done it if it would've been up to him. Giving the android an even bigger role would be stupid, if we look at RBW being a bit like the next prequel would've been partially. The guys in robes at 4:15 look like they could be like Engineers, like those wearing robes in Prometheus (cut scene). 4:15 is my favorite part of the whole clip, it looks very mysterious and therefore interesting. Actually the robe people remind me a bit of the emperor from Star Wars.
I have a somewhat dumb idea, what if the Engineers captured David, used their earlier version of the Xeno so they won't bother with his creation. Impregnated David with, it gets bio-mechanical and they mass-produce it. He could have a role but isn't the creator of the final monster. To me this seems better compared to what Alien Covenant suggested and also like a middle-finger to David. Maybe they use another metal for it to become that way, something that is only on some planets that they control. Like Janek said they wouldn't create that thing on their home-planet.
I really hope that they do not try linking The Alien into RBW.
I'm going to expand the short story I have in the works 'ORIGIN' and put it up to be read...then the Fandom can choose and decide what origin-point they prefer for The Alien from all the possibilities being thrown around.
That said, ORIGIN will be a unique view of it's start in the universe.
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Blackwinter-witch RBW has obvious DNA of Prometheus and BR. I have only seen the 1st episode and will try to treat it as its own thing. After all, RS only wrote the first couple episodes I think. Just take it in as a good sci fi series.
RBW has enough raw potential to stand fully on it's own. I would like to see it be treated and handled/developed as it's own, unique and distinct universe rather than connecting to ALIEN, BR and such.
If they try connecting, I worry that it will impose limits on what they can do, and handicap their being able to fully use the potential this series has in abundance.
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If they share the same universe, that could cause all kinds of canonical havoc and fan push back. "Gotta keep 'em separated."